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Owlofcreamcheese posted:They already make a million kid's shows that are just silly fun. It's fine if one decides to sometimes include less happy themes. That's about all it does any more, is depressing unnecessary slogs from artists mad at their parents. Adventure Time should be children's entertainment, oriented at the needs and yes, to some extent, the wants of those children. I can't imagine a child enjoying "Evergreen". We even have an upset child striking a small animal for no reason. Episodes like this are for adult fans to the exclusion of children. Adults have our own entertainment; it's wrong to take it away from kids. We know that they can strike a good balance--Holly Jolly Secrets and I Remember You are some of the best episodes of the series. But it was a balance. Pick fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Nov 12, 2014 |
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Maybe it would be more appropriate to verify if kids overwhelmingly hate these kinds of episodes before declaring what the show should be doing for kids.
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Nov 12, 2014 20:41
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Pick posted:That's about all it does any more, is depressing unnecessary slogs from artists mad at their parents. I don't think Adventure Time is aimed at the kind of children you're thinking of. It's more oriented toward teens and slightly older viewers, which is why the merchandise presence is a lot bigger in Hot Topic than Toys R Us. They're going for Doctor Who fans, not Power Rangers fans. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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Nov 12, 2014 21:26
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Pick posted:That's about all it does any more, is depressing unnecessary slogs from artists mad at their parents. Not every kid gets the same childhood, the idea that there are lovely parents is not some abstract literary concept for plenty of kids out there. There is plenty of shows for the good homes to teach kids that father knows best and parents love you and at the end of the episode family is there for you. But not every kid has that and a show that says "some dads are poo poo, they are seriously the worst, don't look up to them" is a really good message that a lot of kids need.
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Nov 12, 2014 21:29
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The problem with the tragic backstory stuff is that they do it too often so it loses impact, and it has been sloppy lately anyway. Evergreen doesn't do humor or story well so the whole thing feels bland and mediocre.
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Nov 12, 2014 21:33
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Much like your posting
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Nov 12, 2014 21:51
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Bass Bottles posted:The problem with the tragic backstory stuff is that they do it too often so it loses impact, and it has been sloppy lately anyway. Evergreen doesn't do humor or story well so the whole thing feels bland and mediocre. Were you really hoping for or wishing for a happy backstory to the ice crown what would that even be? I can spoil a future episode for you too: The mushroom war episode will be unhappy when they get around to making it.
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Nov 12, 2014 23:14
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Part of me wants to track down this leaked episode, but considering that it's not the next one to air and probably isn't that great of video quality, I'll probably wait. I just wish that I had some idea when the new episodes were actually going to air 
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Nov 12, 2014 23:20
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Were you really hoping for or wishing for a happy backstory to the ice crown what would that even be? I can spoil a future episode for you too: The mushroom war episode will be unhappy when they get around to making it. Here's a thought: Why did we need this backstory at all?
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Nov 12, 2014 23:23
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I don't know, the origin of the ice crown has been a prominent mystery for a while. It's nice to have it solved. And media doesn't have to be comedic to appeal to children.
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Nov 12, 2014 23:23
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Pick posted:Here's a thought: Why did we need this backstory at all? Why not? Again, it seems like there is plenty of continuity-less kids shows. Good ones even. Why worry that like 1 in 10 adventure time episodes focuses on world building? It's not like they are outnumbering sillier episodes and it's also not like even the most serious episode isn't 90% jokes. Did you really not laugh at slimey D or the bongo guy saying 'thats what you get'
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Nov 12, 2014 23:44
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Why not? Again, it seems like there is plenty of continuity-less kids shows. Good ones even. Why worry that like 1 in 10 adventure time episodes focuses on world building? It's not like they are outnumbering sillier episodes and it's also not like even the most serious episode isn't 90% jokes. Did you really not laugh at slimey D or the bongo guy saying 'thats what you get' I think Pick is right that there needs to be a better balance, but not even to keep kids interested, it's just an issue of quality story telling. Holly Jolly Secrets is a better episode because it worked a dramatic backstory into what had up to that point been a silly throwaway plot about stealing Ice King's tapes. The impact it made was pretty strong. With Evergreen we're introduced to a bunch of new characters we've never met before and only given the most bare-bones traits to work with. Mean father figure and his adoring but dumb sidekick. They're.... wizards or something? There's no way to tell the kind of story they wanted to in an 11 minute cartoon. And the jokes felt like dramatic dialogue interrupted by ironic slang whenever the writers got too self-conscious about how serious it was. It was sort of like "Betty" in that it was too ambitious for what it could realistically do and ended up feeling like fanfiction. I really love how much world building happens in this show and I appreciate that the writers are willing to take risks, but sometimes it just doesn't turn out as well as they'd meant it to.  I'm not saying the show sucks of that they should stop doing world building.
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Nov 13, 2014 00:03
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Pick posted:
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Nov 13, 2014 00:20
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Pretty sure they are making these plot episodes because they are successful. If they were tanking and hated they would probably stop doing because CN wouldn't be interested in simultaneously funding something people hated and harming a brand that is making them money.
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Nov 13, 2014 00:36
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I can get why people might not like the "serious" episodes of AT, but the claim that AT is just serious worldbuilding all the time is absolutely ludicrous. I feel like the people who complain about that only watch the episodes Tumblr freaks out over and then ignore the five or six "fun" episodes in between.
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Nov 13, 2014 00:59
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Also adventure time has one of the highest parental guidence ratings of any of the shows on cartoon network. Almost every other show is TV-Y7 and adventure time is TV-PG. It's for teens and not toddlers, along with at least 215 pages of mostly adults in this thread.
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Nov 13, 2014 01:00
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I've seen people on tumblr complain about the lack of followup on Finn's arm after Breezy. They could stand to have more episodes about Finn and Jake, but I think they have a good balance of silly and serious at the moment.
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Nov 13, 2014 01:13
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On one hand I'm sympathetic for the need to make them stop just world building for the sake of world building. Filling in those gaps doesn't do all that much and at times it just feels like the show spinning it's wheels rather than doing it towards any real purpose while at the same time not having all that much fun doing it. On the other hand I'm always kind of annoyed at comments about how shows should just make shows for their intended audience. They should just make what they want to make and they shouldn't short themselves because a potential audience may or may not like what they're doing. Kids don't care if something isn't aimed at them correctly. Kids just watch what they think looks cool. If they find these episodes boring, then yes that sucks but I don't think kids not liking these is something that is universal or something that's even really backed up by anything outside of assumptions.
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I feel sad no one wantS to talk about the episode and only wants to talk if the episode should exist at all
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Not every kid gets the same childhood, the idea that there are lovely parents is not some abstract literary concept for plenty of kids out there. There is plenty of shows for the good homes to teach kids that father knows best and parents love you and at the end of the episode family is there for you. But not every kid has that and a show that says "some dads are poo poo, they are seriously the worst, don't look up to them" is a really good message that a lot of kids need. See my problem with the ~*serious themes*~ is that they lay it on so heavily it ends up seeming like they're just doing it to make themselves sound deep, and often it isn't even well done to begin with. I hate to say it but AT's themes aren't much deeper or better executed than those is a good YA novel. This isn't high art, no matter what the writers want it to be. Feenix posted:... Said a bunch of not-children. As a grown man, I mostly watch childrens' cartoons for my serious literary diet icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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Has anyone mentioned the new comet that's heading toward Ooo, from the end of Evergreen? Also apparently the last comet had a Lich corona so apparently the Lich is from space or some such thing, but yeah a new comet's coming and presumably that'll be a problem since the last one destroyed all life.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I feel sad no one wantS to talk about the episode and only wants to talk if the episode should exist at all Not that I couldn't find it if I went looking, but I'm waiting for it to air. However, it would help if they said when these episodes air next.
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Dolash posted:Has anyone mentioned the new comet that's heading toward Ooo, from the end of Evergreen? Also apparently the last comet had a Lich corona so apparently the Lich is from space or some such thing, but yeah a new comet's coming and presumably that'll be a problem since the last one destroyed all life. it sounded like comets like that were frequent and that one only killed the dinosaurs because it was hungry for extinction and had scary little waves coming off it. The new one is white and calm looking so I'm not totally clear if it was another evil comet or something more benign
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I do not like black bar discussions of illegally downloaded episodes. I did succomb since there's no loving air date, though, but I'm not going to mention anything I noticed (and there's a lot). I will say that I really liked the episode as a mythology episode.
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smashthedean posted:Part of me wants to track down this leaked episode, but considering that it's not the next one to air and probably isn't that great of video quality, I'll probably wait. I just wish that I had some idea when the new episodes were actually going to air I saw 30 new posts on this thread and went "oh poo poo, did I miss a new episode?????" And I checked my DVR and there is no new episode. So I'm just going to second this quote verbatim, particularly the question at the end of it which still hasn't been answered in all of this black bar poo poo I've been scrolling past.
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Although, I definitely appreciate the thesis of this post right here.Owlofcreamcheese posted:Not every kid gets the same childhood, the idea that there are lovely parents is not some abstract literary concept for plenty of kids out there. There is plenty of shows for the good homes to teach kids that father knows best and parents love you and at the end of the episode family is there for you. But not every kid has that and a show that says "some dads are poo poo, they are seriously the worst, don't look up to them" is a really good message that a lot of kids need. I've been saying all season long that this entire season has been about Finn discovering how lovely all of his role models are, and finding examples of better role models and/or father figures. But seriously when is a new episode aactually airing on TV? I'm not going to seek out leaked  unless an episode gets banned for some reason like the pokemon seizure episode
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"Everything's Jake" November 24 "Is That You" November 25, 2014[83] "Jake the Brick" November 26, 2014[83] "Evergreen" TBA Wikipedia seems to there are going to be 3 episodes 3 days in a row? Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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Nov 13, 2014 07:30
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I think their source is Toonzone? Great news if it's true.
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Nov 13, 2014 07:50
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Steve Yun posted:"Everything's Jake" November 24 I checked on Wikipedia yesterday when this episode aired, and that info wasn't there at all. And the source for that seems to be: http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/adventure-time/upcoming-episodes/EP01246265
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Nov 13, 2014 15:16
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Yeah, great news if it's true, I heard "months off" for new episodes but I assumed that probably wasn't accurate.
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Nov 13, 2014 15:29
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I liked it. v vAlso, is the new comet Finn's Dad's Comet?
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Nov 13, 2014 17:21
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King of Ooo confirms the new episodes. There's also a fourth one called "Dentist".
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The episode wasn't completely joke free. I had a good laugh at the bongo monster saying, "That's what ya get." Also just the bongo monster in general. Also did anyone else think Gunter sounded a lot like Bobby Hill?
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Kung Food posted:The episode wasn't completely joke free. I had a good laugh at the bongo monster saying, "That's what ya get." Also just the bongo monster in general. Also did anyone else think Gunter sounded a lot like Bobby Hill? Yeah, I did. It was probably the same voice actress. She's one of those voices you hear pop up everywhere.
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Nov 14, 2014 04:49
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Like in Charlie Brown, by any chance?
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Bass Bottles posted:Yeah, I did. It was probably the same voice actress. She's one of those voices you hear pop up everywhere. pamela adlon pops up in my dreams mainly
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Is there a GOOD reason for them to be burning through all of these new episodes in one week? Because I sure as poo poo can't think of one.
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ToastyPotato posted:Is there a GOOD reason for them to be burning through all of these new episodes in one week? Because I sure as poo poo can't think of one. It's a holiday week, what with Thanksgiving and all, which means children and teens among other demographics in the United States do not have school. Therefore, more of them will be likely to watch these fresh 'sodes. E: Modern television production relies on advertisers to subsidies the cost of animation. Advertising rates depend on a number of factors, viewership among them. I assume that slots near Thanksgiving and Black Friday, the largest shopping day of the year, command a premium. Scheduling at Cartoon Network decided that putting out a number of episodes of their biggest show right beforehand would be a good idea. EE: Our modern market economy operates on capitalistic principles. Smash the means of production. Mimir fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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Pick posted:Here's a thought: Why did we need this backstory at all? That episode sucked. 
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It may have been rhetorical, but that question has an actual answer. They make those episodes for the same reason they make any episode. People are watching them and responding positively. There is no mystery here. The people who do not like plot episodes are in the minority and thus their opinion is not important to CN or the people running the show.
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