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SquadronROE posted:That's a bit scary. No way that I saw to avoid that, aside from paying attention to what's coming up behind you and giving yourself lots of room to escape. Or moving to a civilised country where there's no need to be behind a stationary car ever.
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Or moving to a civilised country where there's proper driver training and near insignificant use of crack cocaine.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:02
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Ola posted:Or moving to a civilised country where there's proper driver training and near insignificant use of crack cocaine. If the rider had been using cocaine, he would have been hyper-aware and able to react to the approaching vehicle.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:04
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He would have also sold the bike for more cocaine, side-stepping the issue entirely 
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Nov 14, 2014 17:11
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SquadronROE posted:That's a bit scary. No way that I saw to avoid that, aside from paying attention to what's coming up behind you and giving yourself lots of room to escape. This is why you should leave yourself in gear and be checking your mirrors while the last bike in a row with the bike pointed slightly to one side.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:17
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ReelBigLizard posted:Have to cross post this from the main AI Mechanical Failures thread: I bet it ran fine too. The water buffalo was indestructible.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:19
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SquadronROE posted:That's a bit scary. No way that I saw to avoid that, aside from paying attention to what's coming up behind you and giving yourself lots of room to escape. Happened to me, except the only reason I'm alive is that I was in the far left portion of the lane so the dude only got my elbow as he blew by doing 40mph+.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:20
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Nov 14, 2014 17:21
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Z3n posted:This is why you should leave yourself in gear and be checking your mirrors while the last bike in a row with the bike pointed slightly to one side. While the idea is sound, I think it's a bit of a problem in practice. How and when do you decide if the car is going to rear end you or if the car is going to pull up behind you? Many drivers are late brakers and shooting off to the side carries with it other risks. Should you pop out of the lane every time you see a late braker or do you only go when you are sure the car is going to rear end you? The time between being sure of a rear end to the actual impact is very short. BlackMK4 posted:Happened to me, except the only reason I'm alive is that I was in the far left portion of the lane so the dude only got my elbow as he blew by doing 40mph+. Perhaps this is a better idea in practice. Theory says if you pull up to the side, the car will have less chance of seeing you. But if doesn't and rear ends you, it's only a swipe. Another excellent alternative is pulling up next to the first car at the light, see goddamnedtwisto's post for more details.
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Ola posted:While the idea is sound, I think it's a bit of a problem in practice. How and when do you decide if the car is going to rear end you or if the car is going to pull up behind you? Many drivers are late brakers and shooting off to the side carries with it other risks. Should you pop out of the lane every time you see a late braker or do you only go when you are sure the car is going to rear end you? The time between being sure of a rear end to the actual impact is very short. Yeah that's the issue I've always had with this reasoning. You'd p. much have to be revving the bike and ready to go because otherwise there isn't enough time to get the bike moving at any speed once you are sure the car behind you isn't stopping. Plus, when the hell else am I supposed to change what song is playing??? Ola posted:Perhaps this is a better idea in practice. Theory says if you pull up to the side, the car will have less chance of seeing you. But if doesn't and rear ends you, it's only a swipe. Another excellent alternative is pulling up next to the first car at the light, see goddamnedtwisto's post for more details. I've filtered to the front at a light exactly one time, when I was frustrated by distracted drivers. I had already sat thru one light cycle where we didn't get thru because no one notices the light change cause they're all staring at their phones. So they only start moving once the car in front of them goes. I thought it was no big deal till a mile or two down the highway I catch a guy out of the corner of my eye hanging half out his truck and yelling at me. The only time I've ever had someone react like that. I've even had cyclist friends say they wouldn't filter to the front of lights in the city cause it's 'disrespectful'. We have a weird attitude about that stuff here. He didn't believe me that places like London have boxes at the front of the intersection specifically for cyclists.
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I can't pull up beside cars at a stoplight, but what I try to do is flash the brakes whenever I see someone coming up behind me. Even if I'm already sitting still and I think they see me.
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I'm a habitual brake-flasher, I honestly would love to have my brake just strobe constantly so people back the gently caress off. I also recently started leaving on my highbeam in the daytime (and sometimes at night if I'm splitting) and it seems to help with the whole "seeing me" thing.
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Nov 14, 2014 18:26
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Ola posted:While the idea is sound, I think it's a bit of a problem in practice. How and when do you decide if the car is going to rear end you or if the car is going to pull up behind you? Many drivers are late brakers and shooting off to the side carries with it other risks. Should you pop out of the lane every time you see a late braker or do you only go when you are sure the car is going to rear end you? The time between being sure of a rear end to the actual impact is very short. Better safe than sorry - if someone is quick on the approach, I will just move into the split or bike lane and filter to the front. Most of the time the cars are obviously slowing to the point that it's a non issue.
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Nov 14, 2014 18:33
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Z3n posted:I will just move into the split or bike lane and filter to the front. Works in CA, but in any other non-splitting state people get SO loving MAD. Like, you-should-worry-for-your-safety absolute frothing rage.
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M42 posted:Works in CA, but in any other non-splitting state people get SO loving MAD. Like, you-should-worry-for-your-safety absolute frothing rage. I've experienced a few people try to close the gap when I lane split here. The "it's not fair, wait your turn!!" attitude is so lame.
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M42 posted:Works in CA, but in any other non-splitting state people get SO loving MAD. Like, you-should-worry-for-your-safety absolute frothing rage. Yeah, this really pisses people off. I was stuck in traffic the other day while heading to work and a gixxer bro split past me. I could track him via all the horns as he passed people. I found myself cursing him. Not because I had to sit in traffic, but because he's stupid for doing in a state where it's illegal and an area where the drivers aren't friendly. If it's a right turn and there are one or two cars in front of me, I'll split down the side if there's plenty of room. Cars do it all the time anyway, and it's one of the few things that don't seem to piss people off.
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clutchpuck posted:I bet it ran fine too. The water buffalo was indestructible. Whoever screwed that plate would like a word with you.
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Voltage posted:I'm a habitual brake-flasher, I honestly would love to have my brake just strobe constantly so people back the gently caress off. I also recently started leaving on my highbeam in the daytime (and sometimes at night if I'm splitting) and it seems to help with the whole "seeing me" thing. I've said this before and I'll say it again - don't use high-beams when filtering unless you're in near-stationary traffic. It makes it way harder for people to judge the distance to you, target fixation may make them meander into your lane, and (especially at night) it's just a loving obnoxious thing to do.
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hot sauce posted:I've experienced a few people try to close the gap when I lane split here. The "it's not fair, wait your turn!!" attitude is so lame. "You have to sit in traffic during 100 degree devil's swampass weather covered in 20lbs of gear, on the verge of heat stroke? Tough poo poo, I was here first  "
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I've said this before and I'll say it again - don't use high-beams when filtering unless you're in near-stationary traffic. It makes it way harder for people to judge the distance to you, target fixation may make them meander into your lane, and (especially at night) it's just a loving obnoxious thing to do. I only throw on the 'beams at night in stopped or near stopped traffic and it seems to prevent people from doing a slow lane switch/block.
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Z3n posted:the bike pointed slightly to one side. Having trouble visualizing it improving this guy's outcome, all other things being equal. Isn't the bumper-bike-bumper "I" formation what saved him? Sitting at an angle, I'm picturing it ending in three parallel lines forming a bike sandwich with a side of lost limbs.
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hot sauce posted:I've experienced a few people try to close the gap when I lane split here. The "it's not fair, wait your turn!!" attitude is so lame. I had someone swerve into me last year when I was splitting lanes in vegas because its 110 outside, the bikes fan took a poo poo, and I'm in two tons of gear. gently caress em.
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cursedshitbox posted:I had someone swerve into me last year when I was splitting lanes in vegas because its 110 outside, the bikes fan took a poo poo, and I'm in two tons of gear. gently caress em. Christ. Is splitting legal where you are? Did they have to pay for injuries and stuff?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I've said this before and I'll say it again - don't use high-beams when filtering unless you're in near-stationary traffic. It makes it way harder for people to judge the distance to you, target fixation may make them meander into your lane, and (especially at night) it's just a loving obnoxious thing to do.
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SquadronROE posted:Christ. Is splitting legal where you are? Did they have to pay for injuries and stuff? Its not legal here, but it is in CA. Most bikers still do it here anyway. I usually won't because of inattentive tourists etc. they didn't hit me. but its times like that people lose car mirrors.
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Collateral Damage posted:When I rode through the Netherlands I noticed a lot of people turning their hazards on when splitting. Dunno if it's effective though. Everyone here who isn't completely hopeless uses hazards or, failing that, one indicator continuously going. It has no direct effect but it seems to calm the car drivers because they get some ability to predict your motion (even though you're mostly just going straight). It's like making soothing noises at a herd of cows. They don't understand but it helps you stop getting trampled somehow. e: missed a word Slavvy fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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cursedshitbox posted:Its not legal here, but it is in CA. Most bikers still do it here anyway. I usually won't because of inattentive tourists etc. Sorry, but you need to redirect that back at your backwards arse fellow citizens. The majority of progressive Countries allow motorcycles to filter.
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Motsew posted:Sorry, but you need to redirect that back at your backwards arse fellow citizens. The majority of progressive Countries allow motorcycles to filter. Tourists in this case almost definitely means other Americans, as Las Vegas is a huge tourist destination due to the gambling and shows at the casinos & such.
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Boat posted:Tourists in this case almost definitely means other Americans, as Las Vegas is a huge tourist destination due to the gambling and shows at the casinos & such. This. Most of em are dumbass Americans that stare too hard at the flashy poo poo. I avoided getting rearended last night, and avoided plowing into someone that decided to pull into two lanes of oncoming traffic to STOP and wait for the other two lanes to clear. Dumb oval office got a lot of horns for that. Its like frogger on a motorcycle.
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Slavvy posted:It's like making soothing noises at a herd of cows. They don't understand but it helps you stop getting trampled somehow. If you make buell noises they just stare dumbfounded.
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Mark Miller just had a decent run at Macau for Buell and Merica
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Marv Hushman posted:Having trouble visualizing it improving this guy's outcome, all other things being equal. Isn't the bumper-bike-bumper "I" formation what saved him? Sitting at an angle, I'm picturing it ending in three parallel lines forming a bike sandwich with a side of lost limbs. Probably wouldn't have improved his outcome, but generally I prefer setting things up where I have a chance to avoid an accident, even if there's going to need to be a good dose of luck involved in the process.
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Voltage posted:I'm a habitual brake-flasher, I honestly would love to have my brake just strobe constantly so people back the gently caress off. I also recently started leaving on my highbeam in the daytime (and sometimes at night if I'm splitting) and it seems to help with the whole "seeing me" thing. There's brake light flashers that do this, not too expensive or hard to install either.
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My dad has one of those and it's the worst, to the point of being ineffective because the difference between braking and not is so minor. It lets people know you are there but doesn't tell them if you are slowing down very well.
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I'll just leave this here. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mhj0pgd8nw773ad/AACEfLln7lQrI1r2wXtursfca/Kalup%20short%20presentation%5B2%5D.pdf?dl=0
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HNasty posted:I'll just leave this here. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mhj0pgd8nw773ad/AACEfLln7lQrI1r2wXtursfca/Kalup%20short%20presentation%5B2%5D.pdf?dl=0 This confirms it. I have Lost Touch and now have no idea what is cool anymore. Officially joined the grumpy old man brigade.
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nsaP posted:My dad has one of those and it's the worst, to the point of being ineffective because the difference between braking and not is so minor. It lets people know you are there but doesn't tell them if you are slowing down very well. I've seen ones that flash three times before a steady 'on' when they hit the brakes, and that seems like the best option(even though it's annoying in traffic).
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HNasty posted:I'll just leave this here. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mhj0pgd8nw773ad/AACEfLln7lQrI1r2wXtursfca/Kalup%20short%20presentation%5B2%5D.pdf?dl=0 There's something wrong with you if you wouldn't wear the Tom of Finland jacket.
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If I was a gay dude I'd probably want that Tom of Finland one pretty bad, but being that this is all niche hipster poo poo everything's gonna cost at least 3x what other premium stuff would.
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HNasty posted:I'll just leave this here. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mhj0pgd8nw773ad/AACEfLln7lQrI1r2wXtursfca/Kalup%20short%20presentation%5B2%5D.pdf?dl=0 What the gently caress. 
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