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Pantsuit posted:He hasn't shown any sort of remorse or guilt for what he has done. Did he say that prison was a fun time and he can't wait to go back for even longer?
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serious gaylord posted:Could that be because hes innocent OP? It's hard enough to get someone convicted for rape in this country, especially a man who can afford to hire decent lawyers. I doubt he is innocent. Unless you think the victim is lying for press attention, which would not only make you a massive wanker but also completely wrong. sassassin posted:Did he say that prison was a fun time and he can't wait to go back for even longer? He should be grinning at the fact he got away with two and a half years. People go down longer for dealing weed for fucks sake.
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Nov 17, 2014 17:32
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Pantsuit posted:It's hard enough to get someone convicted for rape in this country, especially a man who can afford to hire decent lawyers. I doubt he is innocent. Thats your prejudice showing. He was convicted on very flimsy evidence in what is now being called by the crown prosecution service as 'a serious miscarriage of justice'. Seems he was made an example as he was arrested during that period where a footballer was getting collared every other week.
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serious gaylord posted:Thats your prejudice showing. He was convicted on very flimsy evidence in what is now being called by the crown prosecution service as 'a serious miscarriage of justice'. Seems he was made an example as he was arrested during that period where a footballer was getting collared every other week. What prejudice? Prejudice against rapists? Only 18% of reported rapes (bare in mind the 'reported rapes' figure is low since rape victims generally face mistrust from the police) result in a conviction. Most rapists get away with it, basically. The fact that one has been caught and brought to justice is a good thing imo. Pantsuit fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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Nov 17, 2014 17:39
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Prejudice against people accused of rape. You are assuming they're all guilty.
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serious gaylord posted:Prejudice against people accused of rape. You are assuming they're all guilty. He is guilty... He raped a woman and got two of his mates to film it. You can't get more guilty than that.
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Nov 17, 2014 17:43
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Pantsuit posted:He is guilty... He raped a woman and got two of his mates to film it. You can't get more guilty than that. He had sex with a woman who may or may not have been too drunk to consent. The jury decided she was too drunk to consent to him, but perfectly fine to consent to his mate 5 minutes before. Very dodgy case.
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Nov 17, 2014 17:45
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serious gaylord posted:He had sex with a woman who may or may not have been too drunk to consent. The jury decided she was too drunk to consent to him, but perfectly fine to consent to his mate 5 minutes before. Very dodgy case. If the ambiguity was there, he shouldn't have done it. Simple. The victim states that she woke up in a pool of her own piss with two guy's cum inside of her. I'm going to believer her over Ched any day.
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Nov 17, 2014 17:47
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How sure is she that it was her own piss, and not some R Kelly scenario?
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Regret makes people do nasty things. I'm going to believe the CPS who have said a serious miscarriage of justice has happened more than a girl that allegedly tried to sell the story to a paper before going to the police.
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serious gaylord posted:Regret makes people do nasty things. Where have they said this? I've not seen it reported anywhere
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Didn't the court docs say she went to the police very soon after waking up?
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Jose posted:Where have they said this? I've not seen it reported anywhere They're investigating a serious miscarriage of justice http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ce-9804380.html CareyB posted:Didn't the court docs say she went to the police very soon after waking up? It's ambiguous as to when she actually told the police, but she got the rape kit, so she at least went to the hospital within a couple days of it happening. blue footed boobie fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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Jose posted:Where have they said this? I've not seen it reported anywhere blue footed boobie posted:They're investigating a serious miscarriage of justice http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ce-9804380.html
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St Evan Echoes posted:lol so it's not so much that the cps are saying there had been one, more that ched evans has said there has been one and they are carrying out their duty to investigate Is there actually a duty to investigate? It would be extremely eyebrow raising for a court in the US to do something like this and there would at least have to be credible allegations of some pretty serious misconduct.
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blue footed boobie posted:Is there actually a duty to investigate? It would be extremely eyebrow raising for a court in the US to do something like this and there would at least have to be credible allegations of some pretty serious misconduct. It's in the media spotlight so they need to be seen to be doing it
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blue footed boobie posted:Is there actually a duty to investigate? It would be extremely eyebrow raising for a court in the US to do something like this and there would at least have to be credible allegations of some pretty serious misconduct. There is no duty to investigate. They are well within their rights to tell his legal team to gently caress off and wait for them to get round to even seeing if its worth their time. That they have decided not only to investigate, but fast track it means there is something there.
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Investigating was the wrong word. They are processing his application. It has been fast tracked for some reason not disclosed. A watchdog processing an application is a far cry from the CPS saying there was a serious miscarriage of justice, in any case
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blue footed boobie posted:It's ambiguous as to when she actually told the police, but she got the rape kit, so she at least went to the hospital within a couple days of it happening. According to the crimeline link posted earlier in the thread: "The complainant said that her next memory was waking up in the hotel room at about 11.30am. She realised that she was alone. She was naked and had urinated in the bed. She had a headache and was confused. She reported the matter to the police." And then goes on to say about the doctors examination and suggests this all happened within quick succession of each other. If she waited a few days to tell the police or the doctors wouldn't this appear within that summary? From her p.o.v on selling the story ... is there really much chance she recognised that this guy was a league 1 footballer when she couldn't even remember her handbag from the chippy? I'll take the judges verdict as the correct one "When he came to pass sentence the judge said: ".... [the complainant] was in no position to form a capacity to consent to sexual intercourse, and you, when you arrived, must have realised that.""
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St Evan Echoes posted:Investigating was the wrong word. They are processing his application. It has been fast tracked for some reason not disclosed. There was a quote on that Independent article that has mysteriously vanished. CareyB posted:I'll take the judges verdict as the correct one "When he came to pass sentence the judge said: ".... [the complainant] was in no position to form a capacity to consent to sexual intercourse, and you, when you arrived, must have realised that."" Ah yes, the same judge that was criticised for pretty much instructing the jury to find him guilty and is the basis for his appeal and most likely will result in the result being overturned.
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St Evan Echoes posted:Investigating was the wrong word. They are processing his application. It has been fast tracked for some reason not disclosed. Probably because waiting the 2+ years it would normally take would limit his footballing career even further should it turn out he's not guilty
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serious gaylord posted:Regret makes people do nasty things. Why does it matter if she 'sold' (which probably means 'told a paper') her story? Even if she has, it does not change the matter of the crime.
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Pantsuit posted:He should be grinning at the fact he got away with two and a half years. People go down longer for dealing weed for fucks sake. Two and a half years in prison for having some sloppy seconds and not even getting to cum (by his own admission). loving bargain, lads.
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Pantsuit posted:Why does it matter if she 'sold' (which probably means 'told a paper') her story? Even if she has, it does not change the matter of the crime. I'm afraid you can't look past facts like these in such a court case.
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Charlotte Hornets posted:I'm afraid you can't look past facts like these in such a court case. Did she even sell it? This keeps being chucked around as if it is fact but I haven't seen anything to back it up.
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CareyB posted:According to the crimeline link posted earlier in the thread: Not necessarily. The court doesn't have to summarize every item of evidence. I just thought what you quoted was a little curious because it would have been so easy to say something like "she woke up [etc] and immediately reported the matter to police." Instead they had crafted some choppy sentences that dance around that information. It doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I have used this writing device when I want to gloss over a weak point that doesn't need to be addressed.
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Just in case anyone is still unsure, that isn't the crown prosecution service mentioned in that link from the independent. It's the criminal cases review commission, which is an independent body completely separate from the cps, and in no way associated with the prosecution.
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Pantsuit posted:Did she even sell it? This keeps being chucked around as if it is fact but I haven't seen anything to back it up. I bet she did, you know how women are.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-30087979 lol at these bandwagoning fuckwits. Maybe wait until Sheffield United actually offer him a contract before throwing your toys out of the pram. That way it might mean something.
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serious gaylord posted:There is no duty to investigate. They are well within their rights to tell his legal team to gently caress off and wait for them to get round to even seeing if its worth their time. That they have decided not only to investigate, but fast track it means there is something there. It's being investigated because it's a highly visible case which is all over the media. That's all there is to it whatever weird fantasies you have to the contrary.
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sassassin posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-30087979 I didn't know we had patrons. Dave Berry ffs. I quite like Paul Heaton tbh, he was in with the hoolie crew back in the day, well up for a bit of rumble and tumble. Charlie Webster can gently caress off though, she wasn't so bothered when we signed Marlon King, or when she was tweeting about wanting a picture with Mike Tyson.
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Wtf is a patron its the first i've heard about clubs having them
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Jose posted:Wtf is a patron its the first i've heard about clubs having them They're like a messiah who hasn't managed your club
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Lol his name is "Ched" of course he loving raped her But yeah let's blame the victim instead, because gently caress women #redpill4life
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Nov 18, 2014 11:05
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His name is Chedwyn it means "blameless" in Welsh.
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Nov 18, 2014 11:42
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A sheep tied to a lamppost in Cardiff, my friend, a sheep tied to a lamppost in Cardiff.
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He's a gog not a taff.
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The Mash posted:Lol his name is "Ched" of course he loving raped her Thats your prejudice showing.
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