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Neilson sent me $30 to fill out a TV watching survey and I didn't do it.
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eric posted:Neilson sent me $30 to fill out a TV watching survey and I didn't do it. see? this is the reason all of your favourite shows are cancelled. it has nothing to do with watching ads
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Nov 17, 2014 18:03
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eric posted:Neilson sent me $30 to fill out a TV watching survey and I didn't do it. you should have done it they would keep sending you money
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Nov 17, 2014 18:07
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Shaggar posted:hes not wrong tho. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Nov 17, 2014 18:07
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NoneMoreNegative posted:I'ma buy a 55" 4k TV and replace my dell 30" and two portrait screens on the sides. Yeah, have a rage seizure screen nerds. i'ma buy a 32" 4k monitor to replace my dell 30". because i need that sweet PPI Farecoal posted:hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm turns out he is wrong, and so is shaggar. who knew?
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Nov 17, 2014 18:13
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infernal machines posted:see? this is the reason all of your favourite shows are cancelled. 10,000 people is a statistically large enough sample nope herp derp math dumb -u
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Nov 17, 2014 18:33
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yes, i'm sure there's no selection bias in voluntary surveys that are a pain in the rear end. none whatsoever. perfectly valid models of the part of the population that's got enough time on their hands to fill out a bullshit survey or deal with a PITA neilson box.
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Nov 17, 2014 18:35
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the only data advertisers want out of neilson are non cable subscribers. Cable boxes do a good job reporting what people are watching, it was used heavily in this year's elections to double sell spots for the cannidate you were going to vote for.
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Nov 17, 2014 18:37
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pagancow posted:the only data advertisers want out of neilson are non cable subscribers. so where does "watch ads or your favourite shows will dieeee" factor into this? hint: it doesn't.
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Nov 17, 2014 18:42
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I know it's difficult for people to keep track of money when it exchanges hands twice but i'll try to make this as simple as possible for you 1) show is created, called a pilot for maybe $500,000 This buys 3-6 episodes. 2) its marketed hard across whatever mediums they think the audience will be. keep in mind its some huge gamble of who they think is going to watch the show based off previous data of similar shows. 3) internet sources, neilson, cable boxes polled to see how the show is tracking, Ads are sold. 4) show runs, everybody checks the performance. If advertisers are seeing an uptick in sales, they run more ads against show. Show will attempt to look at data from multiple sources to start searching for more advertisers if a different audience is watching than they intended. 5) More episodes are paid for to be made if the numbers make sense, otherwise show is canceled and something else is moved in its place to sell better ad revenue
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Nov 17, 2014 18:57
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This whole cycle breaks down if you just pirate the show, since there are no metrics for companies buying ads to see if it's even performing well.
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Nov 17, 2014 19:00
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infernal machines posted:lol if you think ratings have anything to do with how many people are actually watching the show. it doesn't matter how flawed neilson is, its what they use.
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Nov 17, 2014 19:00
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its an unspoken secret that neilson inflates all ratings so networks have a datapoint to say "look! we're really THIS big, pay us THIS much." It's how they are the number 1 datapoint used for network TV. But this is all just business, Everybody negotiating to get paid the most.
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Nov 17, 2014 19:02
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i bought a smart tv
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Nov 17, 2014 19:06
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Busta Chimes.wav posted:i bought a smart tv `ey check this one out guys, we got a real live comedian over 'ere! *pushes ur shoulder with gun* you.. funny guy, tell us another joke
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Nov 17, 2014 19:09
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i have a crt somewhere. electron guns are cool
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Nov 17, 2014 19:10
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pagancow posted:rotor, your one of my favorite posters and all, but lets be honest here, popular shows that make money dont get canceled just like home taping did not kill the music industry and just like vcrs and time shifting didn't kill the movie studios Adblock is not killing any kind of media industry so please stop imying that it is, and please stop implying that tv will somehow magically stop being garbage if we just watch enough ads
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Nov 17, 2014 19:11
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Kind of hoping apple does release a TV at some point.
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Nov 17, 2014 19:11
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rotor posted:just like home taping did not kill the music industry and just like vcrs and time shifting didn't kill the movie studios Adblock is not killing any kind of media industry so please stop imying that it is, and please stop implying that tv will somehow magically stop being garbage if we just watch enough ads just because it's a bad way of doing things doesn't change how they are doing it.
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Nov 17, 2014 19:13
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there is an existing solution to amping big home theater speakers, it's called an amplifier unless you think a giant toroidal magnet putting out tons of heat strapped to the back of a tv will improve its picture
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Nov 17, 2014 19:14
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pagancow is there any reason for me to get cable outside of getting the latest football game
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Nov 17, 2014 19:14
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Sniep posted:`ey check this one out guys, we got a real live comedian over 'ere! its a 3d tv with smart features. takes a long time to boot up, pretty bullshit imho
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Nov 17, 2014 19:14
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pagancow posted:just because it's a bad way of doing things doesn't change how they are doing it. I have no idea what ur tryin to say here
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Nov 17, 2014 19:15
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My Linux Rig posted:pagancow is there any reason for me to get cable outside of getting the latest football game I couldn't tell you. I really don't have the time, or desire to watch any kind of TV programing anymore.
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Nov 17, 2014 19:15
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rotor posted:I have no idea what ur tryin to say here You'll never be the mainstream audience, you're too educated, and have other more refined tastes. You will never be able to get the mass adoption to watch a show created for you with big network dollars because the model doesn't support a few thousand watching it. Sorry :~(
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Nov 17, 2014 19:16
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I do wish somebody would make an actual premium television that isn't gimmicky garbage though, "the best 1080p picture" is about the extent of my needs suiting
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Nov 17, 2014 19:16
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qirex posted:I do wish somebody would make an actual premium television that isn't gimmicky garbage though, "the best 1080p picture" is about the extent of my needs suiting People dont actually like the way rec.709 looks though it would always be calibrated wrong. Also doesn't help that about 80% of TV isn't color graded right so it looks like poo poo when viewing it to the HD standard (rec.709)
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Nov 17, 2014 19:18
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rotor posted:I have no idea what ur tryin to say here pagancow posted:im gay
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Nov 17, 2014 19:18
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If you do look at media on a reference display only the highest end movies actually look any good, and only becuase some master colorist went over every shot in the film for a few weeks. TV shows will never have that kind of time since most are created from script to tape-out in 7 calendar days.
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Nov 17, 2014 19:19
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pagancow posted:People dont actually like the way rec.709 looks though it would always be calibrated wrong. I eyeball calibrated my TV using the thx guide and some test patterns and I know it's "too dark" compared to average because i always have to crank the brightness in video games all the way up but it's an easy light situation in my room so I can leave it there most people don't even bother matching program black to the letterboxes
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Nov 17, 2014 19:22
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pagancow posted:This whole cycle breaks down if you just pirate the show, since there are no metrics for companies buying ads to see if it's even performing well. piracy amounts to statistical noise, it's so incredibly uncommon that it has no bearing on anything. it's just something pearl-clutchers like to bring up as destroying the industry whenever it's convenient and the metrics themselves are completely fictitious the whole way through. whether or not we watch ads has nothing to do with the almost wholly invented numbers advertisers get from the networks, which in turn were pulled out of the rear end of whatever ratings source they used.
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Nov 17, 2014 19:24
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i dunno all i know is I'm still mad about futurama being cancelled where's my lovely romance sub plot and stupid nerd jokes fox
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Nov 17, 2014 19:24
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Shaggar posted:it doesn't matter how flawed neilson is, its what they use. it matters if it's your source for arguing that watching ads matters to content creators.
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Nov 17, 2014 19:25
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qirex posted:I eyeball calibrated my TV whoops.
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Nov 17, 2014 19:27
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i liked the Carl Jr ads where someone noisily ate a burger
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Nov 17, 2014 19:27
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Most video game devs dont calibrate their monitors or understand gamma curves (in the ITU sense) so they put these brightness sliders in front of the game as a bandaid. also doesn't help that people are real quick to be like "ITS TOO DARK" slam the brightness to 100%
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Nov 17, 2014 19:28
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qirex posted:I eyeball calibrated my TV using the thx guide and some test patterns and I know it's "too dark" compared to average because i always have to crank the brightness in video games all the way up but it's an easy light situation in my room so I can leave it there same, the thx thing on the terminator 2 blu ray made me push the brightness way the hell down
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Nov 17, 2014 19:30
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I have a new idea for an ad some guy will fart into the camera, sigh contently and then it'll cut to a bottle of metamucil
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Nov 17, 2014 19:30
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pagancow posted:also doesn't help that people are real quick to be like "ITS TOO DARK" slam the brightness to 100% ~plays survival horror game at 100% brightness~ i don't get what's supposed to be so scary about this.
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infernal machines posted:it matters if it's your source for arguing that watching ads matters to content creators. You play ball in the court with the rules you're presented
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