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Spoke Lee posted:"A video of the event surfaced, and Thomas can be heard repeatedly screaming in pain while officers are heard repeatedly asking him to place his arms behind his back. He audibly responds "Okay, I'm sorry!" and "I'm trying!" while the officers stretch his arm back. The police officers claim that, unable to get Thomas to comply with the requests, they used a taser on him (up to five times according to a witness statement, and the video footage), and in the video Thomas can be heard screaming "Dad! Dad!". I remember watching that video. Made me cringe with rage.
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Trabisnikof posted:You just hand-waved away the deaths of mentally ill people because they couldn't comply with a LEO fast enough, you realize that right? If under any circumstances you physically resist when a police officer is arresting you from a legal standpoint they can essentially do whatever they want. Does this mean I think it is moral? No, but what is moral and what the law says occasionally differs.
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Nov 17, 2014 23:06
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CommieGIR posted:I remember watching that video. Made me cringe with rage. I think there needs to be a serious reevaluation of law enforcement in this country over the next few decades with regards to drug laws and a wide variety of other issues.
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Nov 17, 2014 23:08
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Apthous posted:If under any circumstances you physically resist when a police officer is arresting you from a legal standpoint they can essentially do whatever they want. Does this mean I think it is moral? No, but what is moral and what the law says occasionally differs. If you think that's true, then how on earth can you keep pretending that you think Wilson committed a crime?
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Nov 17, 2014 23:10
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Apthous posted:If under any circumstances you physically resist when a police officer is arresting you from a legal standpoint they can essentially do whatever they want. Does this mean I think it is moral? No, but what is moral and what the law says occasionally differs. The retards had it coming. Yea.
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Apthous posted:If under any circumstances you physically resist when a police officer is arresting you from a legal standpoint they can essentially do whatever they want. Does this mean I think it is moral? No, but what is moral and what the law says occasionally differs. And Brown obviously resisted arrest here. We know that, because he was fleeing. Also, what the law says is different, unsurprisingly, for people who are and are not police. The whole "regular person law doesn't ever apply to police" is certainly part of the problem. That police can murder people and do so legally is a problem in its own right. But it's absurd to think even the special police law applies to the police. Time and again, it has not. And Wilson's behaviour is going to be found lawful, no matter what laws he may have broken, so it doesn't matter. Because none of his coworkers or superiors or government officials believe what he did was not immoral, and thus finding him guilty of breaking the law would be wrong (or at least politically disadvantageous), regardless of what the law says.
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Nov 17, 2014 23:11
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Trabisnikof posted:If you think that's true, then how on earth can you keep pretending that you think Wilson committed a crime? Because I have yet to hear any statements by any witnesses that support officer Wilson's claims, and the people that have not supported his version of events seem very credible to me. MariusLecter posted:The retards had it coming. Yea. That is the complete opposite of what I said. I made a clear distinction between what I believe to be morally acceptable and what the law says. GlyphGryph posted:And Brown obviously resisted arrest here. We know that, because he was fleeing. He was not physically resisting arrest when he was shot, even according to officer Wilson's version of events.
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Josh Lyman posted:Why did the governor declare a state of emergency if chaos might not happen for an entire week? Seems a bit premature and wasteful. From what I understand he's not allowed to mobilize the NG without such a declaration, so he is using this time to stage them just right to support the inevitable police riot.
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Nov 17, 2014 23:34
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Apthous posted:He was not physically resisting arrest when he was shot, even according to officer Wilson's version of events. He had been previously. Apthous posted:If under any circumstances you physically resist when a police officer is arresting you from a legal standpoint they can essentially do whatever they want. Does this mean I think it is moral? No, but what is moral and what the law says occasionally differs.
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Nov 17, 2014 23:36
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For the crime of resisting arrest, the sentence is death. :dredd:
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Nov 17, 2014 23:44
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Trabisnikof posted:If you think that's true, then how on earth can you keep pretending that you think Wilson committed a crime? He's a pretty lame troll, don't bother.
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Edminster posted:From what I understand he's not allowed to mobilize the NG without such a declaration, so he is using this time to stage them just right to support the inevitable police riot. And if the communists don't spark something quickly enough, a threat can always be manufactured.
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Nov 17, 2014 23:58
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Trabisnikof posted:He had been previously. He was not actively resisting when shot though according to all of the witnesses that have came forward publicly. MariusLecter posted:For the crime of resisting arrest, the sentence is death. :dredd: That is the way it often is. I don't think it should be, but that is just the way it is.
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Nov 18, 2014 00:00
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Apthous posted:Even if Darren Wilson gets away with this, I don't think the way he behaved was moral. Why he needed to get so close to Michael Brown to make an arrest or question him is of very dubious nature. What prompted you to pay money to join these forums in November 2014?
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Couple pages late, but I grew up most of my life in Brentwood, TN and it really is the worst. If white privilege could be in the dictionary it would use a big aerial picture of that town.
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Nov 18, 2014 00:08
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Apthous posted:He was not actively resisting when shot though according to all of the witnesses that have came forward publicly. But yet in your mind crying out "daddy" "daddy" counts as actively resisting?
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Trabisnikof posted:But yet in your mind crying out "daddy" "daddy" counts as actively resisting? Are we talking about my personal opinions about what constitutes resisting arrest or what the law says?
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Nov 18, 2014 00:16
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Apthous posted:He was not actively resisting when shot though according to all of the witnesses that have came forward publicly. Thanks for letting us know smart "I post 55 times a day" guy
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Peven Stan posted:Thanks for letting us know smart "I post 55 times a day" guy You've been probated 30 times. You of all people have no right to besmirch my posting history.
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Nov 18, 2014 00:25
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Apthous posted:You've been probated 30 times. You of all people have no right to besmirch my posting history. Look at this no-probation having scrub.
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"Oh, hey, 3 new pages in the Micheal Brown thread. Has the GJ revealed how big of shitheads they are?" Nope, 1/2 a page talking about the governor pre-emptively declaring a State of Emergency, then 2 1/2 pages of stupidity/blatant trolling. Apthous posted:You've been probated 30 times. You of all people have no right to besmirch my posting history. He's been probated 30 times since 2006. You've been probated 5 times since the 2nd. 
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slogsdon posted:Look at this no-probation having scrub. what http://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php?userid=212572
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Awful.app pulled up a blank rap sheet, not my fault.
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In more gently caress the Ferguson system news, corrections officer Jaris Hayden is well and truly hosed so there's one down: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/11/ferguson_corrections_officer_charged_with_raping_inmate_in_city_jail_in_2013.php Forced a pregnant woman to give him a blowjob before he raped her in jail. She managed to steal some of his pubes in the process. DNA testing proves they're his.
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pathetic little tramp posted:In more gently caress the Ferguson system news, corrections officer Jaris Hayden is well and truly hosed so there's one down: Nelly really needs to get his city under control.
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pathetic little tramp posted:In more gently caress the Ferguson system news, corrections officer Jaris Hayden is well and truly hosed so there's one down: JFC  The Justice Department needs to just start reducing police stations and correctional facilities in Missouri to the legal equivalent of a smoking crater and just rebuild it all from scratch.
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pathetic little tramp posted:In more gently caress the Ferguson system news, corrections officer Jaris Hayden is well and truly hosed so there's one down: Wait, wasn't the crime the officer was charged with actually less than rape? Sexual contact with an inmate seems like its a class lower than rape in MO. Imagine having to walk to a Subway to ask for a bag to put your rapists pubes in. That's what you have to do. \/ Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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pathetic little tramp posted:In more gently caress the Ferguson system news, corrections officer Jaris Hayden is well and truly hosed so there's one down: Lesson: if you're assaulted by a law enforcement officer, make sure it's a black officer.
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Alkydere posted:"Oh, hey, 3 new pages in the Micheal Brown thread. Has the GJ revealed how big of shitheads they are?" Given the threats going around it would be irresponsible to not declare a state of emergency. I mean how dare the police shoot an unarmed person. It doesn't matter what the unarmed person is doing, there is nothing they could have been doing that would warrant being shot. The national guard needs to take over policing in Fergusono until the whole department can go get trained to never shoot an unarmed person.
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Caliph206 posted:Given the threats going around it would be irresponsible to not declare a state of emergency. I mean how dare the police shoot an unarmed person. It doesn't matter what the unarmed person is doing, there is nothing they could have been doing that would warrant being shot. Yeah, fair enough on how the State of Emergency really should be called no matter what. You'll either have the local poor, black community rightfully upset at the injustice, or you'll have white assholes up in arms about how the justice system dares tell them they can't shoot blacks.
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Alkydere posted:Yeah, fair enough on how the State of Emergency really should be called no matter what. You'll either have the local poor, black community rightfully upset at the injustice, or you'll have white assholes up in arms about how the justice system dares tell them they can't shoot blacks. Whites cannot police blacks, that is just institutionalized racism. Every time a cop arrests a black, it is because they are following institutionalized racism. Police should be minding their own business, especially if you are unarmed. How dare the police shoot any unarmed person. The police are racist and they need to be replaced with African Americans. Until African Americans police their own neighborhoods they will be victims of institutionalized racism and we are just waiting for another assassination by police to happen.
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Caliph206 posted:Whites cannot police blacks, that is just institutionalized racism. Every time a cop arrests a black, it is because they are following institutionalized racism. Police should be minding their own business, especially if you are unarmed. How dare the police shoot any unarmed person. The police are racist and they need to be replaced with African Americans. Until African Americans police their own neighborhoods they will be victims of institutionalized racism and we are just waiting for another assassination by police to happen. http://forums.somethingawful.com/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=163983 <-- click link, select "Add User to Ignore List"
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Caliph206 posted:Whites cannot police blacks, that is just institutionalized racism. Every time a cop arrests a black, it is because they are following institutionalized racism. Police should be minding their own business, especially if you are unarmed. How dare the police shoot any unarmed person. The police are racist and they need to be replaced with African Americans. Until African Americans police their own neighborhoods they will be victims of institutionalized racism and we are just waiting for another assassination by police to happen. This is slightly hyperbolic, but it gets at the truth more or less.
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Caliph206 posted:Whites cannot police blacks, that is just institutionalized racism. Every time a cop arrests a black, it is because they are following institutionalized racism. Police should be minding their own business, especially if you are unarmed. How dare the police shoot any unarmed person. The police are racist and they need to be replaced with African Americans. Until African Americans police their own neighborhoods they will be victims of institutionalized racism and we are just waiting for another assassination by police to happen. Agreed.
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Caliph206 posted:Whites cannot police blacks, that is just institutionalized racism. Every time a cop arrests a black, it is because they are following institutionalized racism. Police should be minding their own business, especially if you are unarmed. How dare the police shoot any unarmed person. The police are racist and they need to be replaced with African Americans. Until African Americans police their own neighborhoods they will be victims of institutionalized racism and we are just waiting for another assassination by police to happen. Unironically agreed, op.
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Caliph206 posted:Wealth cannot police poors, that is just institutionalized classism. Every time a cop arrests a citizen, it is because they are following institutionalized classism. Police should be minding their own business, especially if you are unarmed. How dare the police shoot any unarmed person. The police are classist and they need to be replaced with poor's. Until poor's police their own neighborhoods they will be victims of institutionalized classism and we are just waiting for another assassination by police to happen. "Average Police Officer Salaries. The average salary for police officer jobs in Ferguson, MO is $39,000. Average police officer salaries can vary greatly due to company, location, industry, experience and benefits." "Ferguson's per capita income of $21,000" Fixed that
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There are cops that make well over six figures and retire with pretty hefty pensions. The idea that they are humble civil servants who took vows of poverty is a complete lie.
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Caliph206 posted:Whites cannot police blacks, that is just institutionalized racism. Every time a cop arrests a black, it is because they are following institutionalized racism. Police should be minding their own business, especially if you are unarmed. How dare the police shoot any unarmed person. The police are racist and they need to be replaced with African Americans. Until African Americans police their own neighborhoods they will be victims of institutionalized racism and we are just waiting for another assassination by police to happen. 
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BlueBlazer posted:"Average Police Officer Salaries. The average salary for police officer jobs in Ferguson, MO is $39,000. Average police officer salaries can vary greatly due to company, location, industry, experience and benefits." This thread is so confusing.
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BlueBlazer posted:"Average Police Officer Salaries. The average salary for police officer jobs in Ferguson, MO is $39,000. Average police officer salaries can vary greatly due to company, location, industry, experience and benefits." $21,000 per capita isn't as bad as you think it is. And $39,000 is far from wealth.
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