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I do literally nothing to help or thank military service members and freely admit that makes me a piece of poo poo.
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Ninjasaurus posted:I do literally nothing to help or thank military service members and freely admit that makes me a piece of poo poo. No, that makes you an American  lol it's all the same poo poo haha
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Nov 17, 2014 23:30
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MariusLecter posted:No, that makes you an American Seriously, this. Half the guys praising the veterans are the same ones who vote in the guys who cut veterans benefits and defund programs that help them.
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Nov 17, 2014 23:30
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CommieGIR posted:Seriously, this. Half the guys praising the veterans are the same ones who vote in the guys who cut veterans benefits and defund programs that help them. I don't vote Republican and try not to vote Democrat unless I actually like the candidate (rare)/it's strategically the best option (common) so I guess that at least makes me dried up poo poo, not fresh steaming poo poo.
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Nov 17, 2014 23:34
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Ninjasaurus posted:I don't vote Republican and try not to vote Democrat unless I actually like the candidate (rare)/it's strategically the best option (common) so I guess that at least makes me dried up poo poo, not fresh steaming poo poo. Fair enough
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Nov 17, 2014 23:34
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You know what would be a cool way to support the troops? Making sure everyone is paying the proper amount of taxes seeing as the majority of every dollar you send to the government gets thrown into a black hole with a wooden sign next to it that says "MILITARY AND FRIENDS". poo poo I would say the ratio is so heavily skewed that it's your patriotic duty to pay all you can, even if some of it manages to get chislered away into bullshit like "domestic infrastructure" and "making sure the poorest citizens aren't dying in the streets". We can figure out how to squash those later but ISIS is out there RIGHT NOW and you're sitting on your hands bitching about paying for G.I. Joe's backpack full of death!?!?! No no no this just won't do, citizen.
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Nov 18, 2014 00:09
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Intel&Sebastian posted:You know what would be a cool way to support the troops? Making sure everyone is paying the proper amount of taxes seeing as the majority of every dollar you send to the government gets thrown into a black hole with a wooden sign next to it that says "MILITARY AND FRIENDS". poo poo I would say the ratio is so heavily skewed that it's your patriotic duty to pay all you can, even if some of it manages to get chislered away into bullshit like "domestic infrastructure" and "making sure the poorest citizens aren't dying in the streets". We can figure out how to squash those later but ISIS is out there RIGHT NOW and you're sitting on your hands bitching about paying for G.I. Joe's backpack full of death!?!?! No no no this just won't do, citizen. It is vitally important that domestic policy and foreign policy are always presented and seen as two completely separate things.
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Nov 18, 2014 00:29
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I support our troops not having incredibly lame benefits.
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Nov 18, 2014 00:55
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How can we support our troops if we can't even support our citizens? Let's spend less money on things that put holes in people and more on things to keep people alive.
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Nov 18, 2014 01:06
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Screaming Idiot posted:How can we support our troops if we can't even support our citizens? Let's spend less money on things that put holes in people and more on things to keep people alive. Because if we don't support our citizens they often have no choice but to join the military.
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Nov 18, 2014 01:34
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Casualty rates in the military are rather low, though. Being a lumberjack is more likely to kill you than being a soldier, for example. If we're going to honor people for volunteering to do something risky then there are much nastier things than "join the military." If that's the sole metric we're using then we should replace Veteran's Day with Lumberjack Day. Well, I don't know many lumberjacks (actually, I just know one) and he joined the military because he was patriotic. He became a lumberjack later b/c of his family (work basically). I guess that's the difference to me. I've been in over 19 years and I appreciate it when people thank me. I also don't give a poo poo if they don't. Yes it's true that many times Republican's are known as the "support are troops" group, and even so, many times the politicians end up screwing the troops, but I don't get angry at the Republican voter. I don't think they are intentionally voting against the troops, I think they just vote poorly, very poorly. That's why many times they actually vote for things against their own interests (regardless of it being military related). All this being said, I've had people I know get killed doing an office job in the military. Are they heroic? Courageous? Who the hell knows man, I'm just saying, if you want to loving thank someone on Veterans Day, just do it. Some of us like it, some don't, some don't give a poo poo. Don't make it a bigger thing than it is. By the way, I try to make it a point to thank many people, teachers, waiters, basically anyone that does something that may not pay that well, but they are trying to do well at it. Also, I have a friend who owns a bar here in DC and he was a 12 year vet, boy I sure can't wait to use that "thanks for your service" line next time I get a drink. Yes, I'm sure it won't get old for me either!
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Nov 18, 2014 02:08
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XtraSmiley posted:Yes it's true that many times Republican's are known as the "support are troops" group, and even so, many times the politicians end up screwing the troops, but I don't get angry at the Republican voter. I don't think they are intentionally voting against the troops, I think they just vote poorly, very poorly. That's why many times they actually vote for things against their own interests (regardless of it being military related). I get the vibe that those who are in red states/red counties don't agree with a lot of republican policies, but just do it because it's been ingrained into their head that Republicans some how represent some form of psuedo American mainstream values and that Democrats represent some evil soviet, socialist plot to take over america. I've had conversations with those that would be considered "Republicans" where I've seen them state things that would be what an average "Democrat" would agree with. (IE, Improving our energy grid along with our roads, etc, Immigration, Gay Rights, Anti-NSA). I think that's kind of why the two party system is indeed very poisonous.
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Nov 18, 2014 02:23
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FuzzySkinner posted:I get the vibe that those who are in red states/red counties don't agree with a lot of republican policies, but just do it because it's been ingrained into their head that Republicans some how represent some form of psuedo American mainstream values and that Democrats represent some evil soviet, socialist plot to take over america.  LOW-INFORMATION VOTERS!!!Despite being a Rush catchphrase, there is a morsel of truth. It's just, like most of the other stuff, not in the way he perceives it.
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Nov 18, 2014 02:45
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Tender Bender posted:The "thank you for your service" stuff hurts mostly because it's a symptom of the blind military worship that allows us to throw men's lives away and justify it by saying that is a really great thing for them to do. It also paints modern military service as a necessity, like if they didn't do it, someone else would, or we'd all be killed by dirty foreigners. That isn't the case, you're basically signing your life away to further the interests of politicians and businessmen, who are absolved of any responsibility because they say your sacrifice is heroic. Yeah it's really great that your nephew died heroically on a land mine, you know what would have been better? If he had grandkids and lived till he was 90. Back when I worked in politics, we had to escort a Tea Partier from a townhall meeting, because she was angry that troops were coming home and not just over in the Middle East until every last one died. Her reasoning was that the troops signed up to give their lives for America, and that they should be fighting something or anything until they all are dead. Some combat vet almost beat the poo poo out of her.
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Nov 18, 2014 03:01
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AsInHowe posted:Back when I worked in politics, we had to escort a Tea Partier from a townhall meeting, because she was angry that troops were coming home and not just over in the Middle East until every last one died. Her reasoning was that the troops signed up to give their lives for America, and that they should be fighting something or anything until they all are dead. Some combat vet almost beat the poo poo out of her. What the gently caress. That's insane even for a Tea Partier. That's like legit mental illness right there.
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Nov 18, 2014 03:10
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The Rokstar posted:What the gently caress. That's insane even for a Tea Partier. That's like legit mental illness right there. The Tea Partiers are far crazier than they'd ever publicly state. Or that would ever get reported on.
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Nov 18, 2014 03:20
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AsInHowe posted:The Tea Partiers are far crazier than they'd ever publicly state. Or that would ever get reported on. In which case I shudder to think about what crazy tinfoil poo poo Tom Cotton and Hogballs believe that they don't tell us all, because it has to be horrifying.
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Nov 18, 2014 03:21
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AsInHowe posted:Back when I worked in politics, we had to escort a Tea Partier from a townhall meeting, because she was angry that troops were coming home and not just over in the Middle East until every last one died. Her reasoning was that the troops signed up to give their lives for America, and that they should be fighting something or anything until they all are dead. Some combat vet almost beat the poo poo out of her. Jesus gently caress, any more details?
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Nov 18, 2014 03:31
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That sounds more like Sovereign Citizen territory than Tea Party. The insane worship and almighty power of "contracts" overriding everything sane or logical being what would tip it off.
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Nov 18, 2014 03:49
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shadow puppet of a posted:That sounds more like Sovereign Citizen territory than Tea Party. The insane worship and almighty power of "contracts" overriding everything sane or logical being what would tip it off. The Tea Party and them tend to blur lines a lot, there are a lot of the Free Man on the Land and other kooks hiding in there, along with a lot of Libertarians and others.
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Nov 18, 2014 03:51
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The Rokstar posted:What the gently caress. That's insane even for a Tea Partier. That's like legit mental illness right there. I dunno, it seems like a natural extension of the clash of civilizations rhetoric you hear - if you truly believe that radical islam, headquartered in the Middle East is engaged in an existential war with the Western world with cosmic overtones, with the strong possibility that they will acquire nuclear weapons or some other WMD, then soldiers really should be over there. I mean, I'm assuming that her problem was that the soldiers weren't fighting, not that they hadn't died yet. If you are somewhat mentally unbalanced, I'm sure the rhetoric you hear coming out of Fox News combined with the realities of IS are extremely terrifying.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:She is a mess and I guess does not believe in multiple takes 
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pengun101 posted:Jesus gently caress, any more details? It wasn't even the craziest thing from the Tea Partiers that year. Maybe the third-craziest thing, in a long list of insanity. (The craziest was that blacks and gays are teaming up to destroy America and take it from white people, due to their shared love of sodomy.) Essentially, the Tea Partiers would show up at any event, for any candidate, and shout profane/obscene nonsense until the cops showed up and they were forced to leave. Specifically to this, there was (and is) a perverse element of death worship that came through the Tea Partiers. Any idea that included people dying was applauded, and it only really hit the media with those Republican primary debate moments where the crowd shouted "let them die" and applauded Rick Perry's execution record. If people were going to suffer and die, the Tea Partiers were pleased. If there was any way to get more people to die, the Tea Partiers were pleased. It was disgusting. Jerry Manderbilt posted:In which case I shudder to think about what crazy tinfoil poo poo Tom Cotton and Hogballs believe that they don't tell us all, because it has to be horrifying. It's nothing that hasn't been mentioned before, only to the n-th degree. This does bring up another thing about this group, their constant fetishizing of farming and rural culture. Hogballs won because she played up the "I'm an idiot farmer, just like you!" angle, and it won. The Tea Partiers love anything relating to their idealized rural culture, and complain endlessly when it isn't constantly praised. Outside of rooting for pain and suffering, there was always a lot of people complaining about how people aren't forced to be country, like them. Periodiko posted:I dunno, it seems like a natural extension of the clash of civilizations rhetoric you hear - if you truly believe that radical islam, headquartered in the Middle East is engaged in an existential war with the Western world with cosmic overtones, with the strong possibility that they will acquire nuclear weapons or some other WMD, then soldiers really should be over there. I mean, I'm assuming that her problem was that the soldiers weren't fighting, not that they hadn't died yet. It has nothing to do with anything bigger than someone wanting someone else to die. It isn't about religion, it's about a basic lack of empathy towards anyone else, and bristling at the fact that everyone else thinks differently than they do.
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Nov 18, 2014 06:16
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GAYMIEN SANDOW posted:A friend of mine is a vet and a bartender so every time he brings me a drink I tell him "thank you for your service" and let me tell you that joke never gets old. That's pretty drat funny.
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Nov 18, 2014 06:25
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Don't privates make like 18 grand a year? It seems to me that if supporting the troops is your thing, you should be agitating for a raise.
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Nov 18, 2014 06:27
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XtraSmiley posted:Yes it's true that many times Republican's are known as the "support are troops" group, and even so, many times the politicians end up screwing the troops, but I don't get angry at the Republican voter. I don't think they are intentionally voting against the troops, I think they just vote poorly, very poorly. That's why many times they actually vote for things against their own interests (regardless of it being military related). Voting for the party that sent hundreds of thousands of soldiers to get killed/injured in two wars based on blatant lies is pretty drat against the troops, if ya ask me, even if they don't understand what they're voting for. Ignorance isn't really an excuse when we're talking about the lives of fellow citizens, as much as they want it to be. Pope Guilty posted:Don't privates make like 18 grand a year? It seems to me that if supporting the troops is your thing, you should be agitating for a raise. http://www.dfas.mil/militarymembers/payentitlements/militarypaytables.html It was under a grand a month when I joined, but when you add in free housing, food, utilities, etc it's a reasonable enough wage (for a teenager with no college). AsInHowe posted:Back when I worked in politics, we had to escort a Tea Partier from a townhall meeting, because she was angry that troops were coming home and not just over in the Middle East until every last one died. Her reasoning was that the troops signed up to give their lives for America, and that they should be fighting something or anything until they all are dead. Some combat vet almost beat the poo poo out of her. 
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AsInHowe posted:It wasn't even the craziest thing from the Tea Partiers that year. Maybe the third-craziest thing, in a long list of insanity. (The craziest was that blacks and gays are teaming up to destroy America and take it from white people, due to their shared love of sodomy.) Essentially, the Tea Partiers would show up at any event, for any candidate, and shout profane/obscene nonsense until the cops showed up and they were forced to leave. Huh, as someone who has never been anywhere near involved in US Politics, the whole "gays and minorities are trying to destroy America" thing has become cliched to the point that I just kinda roll my eyes at it while the thing about "bringing our soldiers home is an outrage, they signed up for eternal war and that's what they must do" is pretty much more  to me. Is it just seeing so many people earnestly saying "blacks and gays are teaming up to kill America" that makes it crazier to you, or is there a fun story there?
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quote:RUSH: The smartest thing to do is distrust anything coming out of this Regime. There's something out there that they're pushing, and it can be really complicated, if you listen to the wrong people about it, and that's called "net neutrality." I hope this becomes part of his daily repertoire for a while because it will only take a couple of callers to slip through the net and tell him how wrong he is on this. Not that it would matter of course, Limbaugh can never be wrong about anything on his own show but it is funny to hear him flounder from time to time. quote:RUSH: Okay, if you believe... If you are an inside-the-Beltway media or elected official elitist or honcho, and, if you don't want to get anywhere near action -- like a series of bills that would deny Obama the funding necessary either to implement amnesty, or elements of Obamacare, because that would be a government shutdown, and the Republicans will get blamed no matter what happens, and they'll never recovered from it, and it's horrible, and it's messy -- aren't you essentially the same as Jonathan Gruber? This really makes him bringing up Colbert calling him out on saying "The Republicans weren't elected to govern!" all the more hilarious. The only thing I really get from his word salad is that shutting down the government won the Republicans the midterms with a mandate to grind everything to a halt, when in fact we had one of the lowest electoral turnouts in history.
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Halloween Jack posted:I agree, but you still can't criticize American imperialism unless you introduce it with an "I support the troops, but" in the form of a glowing panegyric to the troops, all of whom are greater than the greatest teacher, doctor, or what-have-you that ever lived. Not to mention that it's still beyond the pale to criticize the troops or their motives. I think the troops get put on a pedastal for the same reason pretty girls do, so they can be dehumanized and hosed.
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Pope Guilty posted:Don't privates make like 18 grand a year? It seems to me that if supporting the troops is your thing, you should be agitating for a raise. Basically privates make, "everything you need plus some spending money". This is through a low wage and highly variable, non taxable, allowances. So this is also tax evasion, but to be fair the government taxing itself is kind of silly. Health insurance for you, your spouse, and any kids. The bigger your family the bigger the value of the compensation package. Housing allowances that grow if you have a family. Subsistence/food allowance. This structure is a bigger threat to the sanctity of marriage than the gay agenda because the effective raise you get for having a spouse is substantial and sham marriages do happen to collect it.
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McAlister posted:Basically privates make, "everything you need plus some spending money". This is through a low wage and highly variable, non taxable, allowances. Agreed. And on the point of the other poster about raising wages, all this does is ultimately add to inflation, just like minimum wage bullshit increases and is not sustainable. The better thing to do is work hard get promoted and work toward NCO or OCS, or get out and get your billing rate up.
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What's weird about Limbaugh was he was pretty vocally against any sort of censorship of internet (in regards to pornography). on the episode of The Drew Carey he was on. He even tried to pin it on "SOMETHING THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO DO"  or something along those lines. Just seems odd he's against it in that regard. But of course, it could be just having to disagree with everything that Obama supports out of principle.
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Nov 18, 2014 07:55
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For what it's worth personally thanking members of the armed forces is an american only thing and even then it only started in the last decade or so I think?
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I have no doubt that 'Support Are Troops' can be traced directly back to an advertising campaign for the Ford F-150. Chevy replied with the John Cougar Mellencamp 'This is Are Country' campaign for the Silverado and so things have been locked up in spiraling, escalating masturbatoria of all things militaria but entirely divorced from military reality.
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AsInHowe posted:Specifically to this, there was (and is) a perverse element of death worship that came through the Tea Partiers. Any idea that included people dying was applauded, and it only really hit the media with those Republican primary debate moments where the crowd shouted "let them die" and applauded Rick Perry's execution record. If people were going to suffer and die, the Tea Partiers were pleased. If there was any way to get more people to die, the Tea Partiers were pleased. It was disgusting. I know this is cliché, but I'm going to say it anyway. Nazism believes that only through constant conflict against whatever the enemy-du-jour is a society can be strong. The few good people are beset upon by a mass of inferior evil people from all sides pretty much all the time. Furthermore their idealised society was highly rural, believing that these traditional values and living conditions represented and brought out the best in the Aryan race. They went so far as to construct idealised rural villages in which they'd house the training for their concentration camp "doctors", quite macabre places I can tell you. The endgame was razing most of Poland and Western Russia in order to populate it with German colonists to live in newly constructed rural communities accross this vast space. Blood and soil. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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Nov 18, 2014 11:02
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Calling my shot now: One of these assholes is going to do a segment on how this woman who's marrying Charles Manson is a big, loony, liberal Democrat.
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Democrats need That Soros to fund and most importantly brand a name onto the far fringe of the left. Something like Indigo Voters but you've got to ensure that they themselves use it at their loopy rallies. It would really help balance the narrative between GOP+Tea Party vs. Democrats.
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Nov 18, 2014 13:37
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FuzzySkinner posted:But of course, it could be just having to disagree with everything that Obama supports out of principle. Pretty much. That's his show now. If Obama cured cancer, Rush Limbaugh's show tomorrow would be about all the cancer clinics closing shop and the doctors out of work because of Obama.
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This article is getting passed around today. I had to double check it wasn't satire. http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/the-extraordinary-smallness-of-washington-20141117 quote:On health care, we needed a market-driven plan that decreases the percentage of uninsured Americans without convoluting the U.S. health care system. Just such a plan sprang out of conservative think tanks and was tested by a GOP governor in Massachusetts, Mitt Romney. He's defending the idea on Twitter, though. https://twitter.com/ron_fournier quote:.@moiskd @jbarro ACA was not bipart. I back the law and it's roots to Heritage/Romney. Long on record. Ends don't justify means #Gruber I don't get it.
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William Bear posted:This article is getting passed around today. I had to double check it wasn't satire. Krugman posted a takedown of it on his blog. A Pundit Explains What’s Wrong With Washington posted:Or, actually, demonstrates by example what’s wrong with Washington. Honestly at this point I get the feeling Krugman thinks—and I'm inclined to share the feeling—that Very Serious Pundits like Fournier are a bigger problem than Rush et al. It's one thing if the RWM network just jerks off to their loyal listeners, it's another if you have people at mainstream outlets helping to legitimize and normalize their viewpoints. Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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