|
spacegoat posted:Goddamn, I'm really digging this Apology supplement. LoS to Gargoyles from a Tyrant? Hell to the yes.
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 18:35
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 15:18 |
|
|
SRM posted:I used to play against a guy with that Avatar mounted on the back of a Cold One. It looked like Mario on Yoshi. I fully intend to use my as an avatar in my OOP Ulthwe. gently caress anyone who bitches about it I am not even going to put it on a 40mm base. I have tried to paint the model twice but I can't get it to look right.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 18:38
|
|
|
TKIY posted:LoS to Gargoyles from a Tyrant? Hell to the yes. loving seriously. 64 wound Flyrant is pretty good.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 18:53
|
|
|
I don't have the sweet deets quite yet, but conuqest has a "build your named character" system in place. gently caress Yes
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 19:19
|
|
|
 30K Legion Relics: quote:There are 28 relics. Most relics range from 30-50pts. Any independant character that isn't 'unique' may take one. BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Nov 19, 2014 |
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 19:23
|
|
|
GODDAMN  Pretty much everything in there is great. With the Detachment FOC change there's really no reason to shoot fro another unless you really want and rerolling Instinctive Behavior is a pretty big free bonus (especially considering you still get the Warlord table reroll). Yeah. Lemme go get my wallet... 
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 19:24
|
|
|
BULBASAUR posted:
That relic pistol is loving hilarious. Also Dark Angels legion rules when. You gimme a relic and that's it? 
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 19:31
|
|
|
Those Tyranid formations actually look pretty good even if GW seems to really like gargoyles. Even the FOC isn't that bad, but it could've expanded Elites a little. The warlord traits are pretty drat mediocre though and half of them aren't even new. Why would you even want an infiltrating Hive Tyrant?BULBASAUR posted:I don't have the sweet deets quite yet, but conuqest has a "build your named character" system in place. BULBASAUR posted:
 And of course Dark Angels get a dumb fear relic.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 19:43
|
|
|
Death Guard relic sucks, game is dead.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 19:43
|
|
|
These rules are comically good. I can't believe half of them. 'Scrapvirus' is down right nasty against any parking lot list. The combat upgraydd seems like a potential game breaker, as it will let a Praeator instant death any model in the game, automatically, with 5-6 attacks (you will fail one of those invulns). Warp Field combined with a Navigator and Iron Hands or Iron Warriors is hilarious... even more so if you give them a man portable void shield. Invisibility cloak lets you drop pod in an IC that is invulnerable to enemy fire or assault the turn it touches down, which seems, you know, game breakingly good. Almost all the legions got cool relics as well. The Iron Warriors, White Scars, Dark Angels, Thousand Sons, Word Bearers, and Alpha Legion stand out to me.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 19:48
|
|
|
Safety Factor posted:Why would you even want an infiltrating Hive Tyrant? Infiltrating Prime in a unit of Hormas or Gants could be pretty good. Or Canifex. Can he attach to MCs?
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 19:52
|
|
|
spacegoat posted:Infiltrating Prime in a unit of Hormas or Gants could be pretty good. If they come in a group, I'm pretty sure he can. (I feel like carnifexes come in broods, but it's been forever since I played against them)
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 20:01
|
|
|
That Hive Fleet Detachment is a big wet fart: Take more of arguably the worst troops in the game, and lock yourself into the worst Warlord Traits table we have yet to print, to gain access to one more HQ slot and the ability to re-roll IB tests. I'd rather Ally in more Nids or a 2nd CAD to get access to additional HQ slots oh and more elite slots too. Hypertoxic Node is pretty nice, I'd put the Toxicrene in a Pod and put Toxin Sacs on an otherwise standard issue flyrant, adn you get 3 single-model venomthrope broods to spread Shrouding around without clogging up your Elite slots. The buffs it provides are nice too. Neural Node is crap mostly because it brings the Maleceptor which is crap and dosent fix it or improve it much, also it requires 9 loving Zoanthropes so its really a "Please buy these new kits we just released" kind of formation. Skytyrant Swarm looks pretty baller, a 64 wound Flyrant... but since he's forced into gliding it'll be subject to pieplates and templates and being assaulted, and @ majority T3 those wounds are gonna melt away. Buy more Gargoyles! Keep something that gives Shrouding close. Really, the rest of the formations are more "Please buy these new kits we just released" kind of things but they arent as crap as the neural node so theres that going for them. Dissapointed at the lack of a tyranid version of the "Drop Pod Assault" rules.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 20:02
|
|
|
Some of that 30K poo poo looks pretty bonkers. The issue would be keeping it from just turning into a slapfight between two special snowflakes with the theorycrafted optimal loadouts, but I don't know enough to tell at a glance whether the options are balanced well enough to discourage that outcome. (And of course we don't seem to know yet what the points costs will be, which could be fairly significant.)
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 20:10
|
|
|
Safety Factor posted:
Seriously. I've been waiting for their rules to come out to even look at 30k but if it's a choice between giving my basic squads ~fear~ and a world-destroying trident I'm pretty sure I'm just going to go with World Eaters, especially as I already have Angron painted up.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 20:24
|
|
|
All of the new options in IA13 is making my brain explode with options for a CSM 1850 list. With the high cost of all things Forge World, though, I'm scared of getting into a buying spree of stuff I'll never use or be satisfied with. I could use some input into a list, and I know some of you Hams are aces when it comes to this. I've got a back bone of a Slaneesh bike Lord, two five-man Noise Marine units with Blastmasters and Sonic blasters, and a three Obliterators. I want to build up a biker unit around the bike lord, for sure. I'm thinking about a Sonic Dreadnaught, a pair of Hell Blades, a unit or two of Chosen with dedicated Dreadclaws and maybe a rapier weapons carrier if I can fit it in. Any thoughts?
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 20:31
|
|
|
The DA relic is pretty good in 30k, actually. Nobody is fearless and it sounds like it forces a fear test for any enemy on the entire board that gets into combat with you. For a leadership 9 army that's going to break squads. It feels weird that it's not a night lords thing, though.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 20:32
|
|
|
Hot drat. I might actually kit out a close combat hive tyrant. The toxic one would be better with fewer venomthrope broods, but that's still pretty nasty. I think Tyranids are going to be back in a big way. It's just too bad about poor Genestealers.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 20:34
|
|
|
Hahahahahah I just loving noticed the Thousand Sons relic. Hopefully this means Thousand Sons are actually loving good in 30k.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 20:49
|
|
|
Yeah its bonkers. Aren't all vehicles considered leadership 10? Because if so, then its hilarious on a master of signals or siege breaker.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 20:52
|
|
|
Tequila Ranger posted:That Hive Fleet Detachment is a big wet fart: Take more of arguably the worst troops in the game, and lock yourself into the worst Warlord Traits table we have yet to print, to gain access to one more HQ slot and the ability to re-roll IB tests. I'd rather Ally in more Nids or a 2nd CAD to get access to additional HQ slots oh and more elite slots too. You are so wrong on these points. Having 3 HQs means they can run 3 flyrants before an allied detachment/formation and since you can generally only have 2 detachments at tourneys this means 'nids can easily have 4 flyrants on the table. And a walking flyrant isn't the end of the world when Malanthropes/venomthropes, cover/area terrain, and having 60 bros to soak wounds exist. Both of those options are extremely strong and will help put 'Nids on the top tables. Master Twig posted:Hot drat. I might actually kit out a close combat hive tyrant. Genestealers were good for like, one edition. let it go man. 
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 20:54
|
|
|
What's the minimum points to run Skytide? It looks like a really huge formation.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 21:00
|
|
|
Direwolf posted:Seriously. I've been waiting for their rules to come out to even look at 30k but if it's a choice between giving my basic squads ~fear~ and a world-destroying trident I'm pretty sure I'm just going to go with World Eaters, especially as I already have Angron painted up. Fear is a big big thing in 30k since there are almost no fearless units. That trident is good, but the DA relic can win a game if used at the right time.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 21:00
|
|
|
Doesn't look like the book has a formation I'd be interested in, since I don't run any Gargoyles. Well, too bad, then I don't have to buy it I guess Had another game today against my World Eaters buddy, pictures courtesy of him: Chaos Deployment and closeup:   Tyranids after turn 1 and closeup:   Midgame, everything is a huge clusterfuck:  Heldrake doing its thing, Carnifexes moments before wrecking a Defiler:   Game ended when the swarm outlasted the Chaos Marines after several sustained rounds of combat and controlled both objectives. It was pretty fun! Soulfucker fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Nov 19, 2014 |
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 21:04
|
|
|
serious gaylord posted:Fear is a big big thing in 30k since there are almost no fearless units. That trident is good, but the DA relic can win a game if used at the right time. It's just really bland compared to most of the other relics and LD 8 or 9 still has a really good chance of passing. That earthquake trident may be situational, but even the idea of it is rad as hell.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 21:09
|
|
|
BULBASAUR posted:The DA relic is pretty good in 30k, actually. Nobody is fearless and it sounds like it forces a fear test for any enemy on the entire board that gets into combat with you. For a leadership 9 army that's going to break squads. Well firstly, leadership 9 fails a fear test 16% of the time, so even if you're in 6 combats across the board it will probably only affect one. And Fear means they're WS 1 for that combat, which is great but super random as to where it will end up mattering, and most of the time it won't even go off. It's also just not thematically accurate. It should be a night lords thing because the Dark Angels thing isn't inspiring fear, it's being stoic, sometimes at times that are stupid to do so. In 30k we're also supposed to be the tactical geniuses, so that's another idea - either way, though, it's out of line with the other relics just being cool weapons or shields.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 21:12
|
|
|
Brinner posted:I'm not adverse to painting blobs, although I'd probably wait and see if something popped up on eBay. Australia isn't cheap for models, as I'm sure some people here know. I might just hang out and see what happens on the second hand front, something may come up to tide me over for now. Thanks again. Check out AA Wargames on eBay. They're based in the UK but they do combined shipping if you buy multiple items and it's pretty easy to score stuff at low prices. Their auctions end on Sundays (I think) and they post new items every week. I managed to grab a load (maybe a hundred models all up?) of Space Marines, Eldar and Dark Eldar for painting practice and including shipping it ended up being around 50c per figure.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 21:16
|
|
|
Fear is a big mechanic in Dark Angels. I'm pretty sure their codex has multiple ways to give it, IIRC.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 21:21
|
|
|
REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:Fear is a big mechanic in Dark Angels. I'm pretty sure their codex has multiple ways to give it, IIRC. This is true. They're supposed to have a bunch of spooky relics laying around in 40k. But didn't they get spooky during the destruction of Caliban? Or were they always spooky? 
Safety Factor fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Nov 19, 2014 |
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 21:26
|
|
|
Naramyth posted:You are so wrong on these points. Having 3 HQs means they can run 3 flyrants before an allied detachment/formation and since you can generally only have 2 detachments at tourneys this means 'nids can easily have 4 flyrants on the table. Actually you can have more 4 Hive Tyrants and FMCs than you can shake a stick at. People forget that you can get the Mucolid Spores now as troops and their 15 points. That's the cheapest loving Troop choice, so you could have .. (If your using adepticon rules) Hive Detachment Flyrant Flyrant Flyrant Troop 3 Spores Self Ally Flyrant Troop Mucolid Spore Formation Skyblight Swarm Flyrant Hive Crone Harpie Harpie Gargoyles I'm pretty sure this could fit in 1850. It's disappointing to see that they did not get a formation for a similar drop pod assault, however this is just the first book and there may be more formations coming for the Tyranids. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Nov 19, 2014 |
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 21:43
|
|
|
So, entered a contest held by TitanTerrainStudio. Looks like I won a painted Forgeworld model, Horus the Warmaster.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 21:43
|
|
|
A devourer flyrant with hypertoxic, holy poo poo. Might as well call it Wraithbane.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 21:56
|
|
|
MasterSlowPoke posted:A devourer flyrant with hypertoxic, holy poo poo. Might as well call it Wraithbane. I wish, poison (and hypertoxic) only apply to his melee. If I'm reading it right it's only on the attacks that are poison.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 21:58
|
|
|
TKIY posted:LoS to Gargoyles from a Tyrant? Hell to the yes. T3 Hive Tyrants that are hit on normal Ballistic Skill? Hell to the no. Naramyth posted:You are so wrong on these points. Having 3 HQs means they can run 3 flyrants before an allied detachment/formation and since you can generally only have 2 detachments at tourneys this means 'nids can easily have 4 flyrants on the table. Eh. The Leviathan detachment may see some use, but most lists of Skyblight + normal FoC are enough to fill an 1850 list without a ton of wiggle room, so I'm not sure anyone is gonna bother. Especially with the additional formations available, I'm not sure it'll be worth being forced to roll on an awful, awful warlord table and buy extra troops. MasterSlowPoke posted:A devourer flyrant with hypertoxic, holy poo poo. Might as well call it Wraithbane. Yeah, I thought the same thing as well, but it only works on your Poisoned attacks, which Devourers aren't.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 22:04
|
|
|
The Sporefield to me looks like a pretty nice formation, especially considering it's got the whole 4+ it goes back into reserve and comes back out and it's less than 100 points. It seems kind of lovely at first glance then you realize how cheap it is. Skytyrant is actually pretty boss. Considering challenges will go against his Toughness. Sure T3 sucks, but 2+ LOS, then basically 20+ ablative wounds. He will get into CC. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Nov 19, 2014 |
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 22:36
|
|
|
Uroboros posted:So, entered a contest held by TitanTerrainStudio. Looks like I won a painted Forgeworld model, Horus the Warmaster. Well looks like you're collecting a Luna Wolves army. Chop loving chop mate.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 22:37
|
|
|
AbusePuppy posted:Yeah, I thought the same thing as well, but it only works on your Poisoned attacks, which Devourers aren't. Whoops, read it as all attacks from a model in this formation have poisoned. Maybe that weird Miasma relic biomorph could finally be useful?
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 22:48
|
|
|
REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:Fear is a big mechanic in Dark Angels. I'm pretty sure their codex has multiple ways to give it, IIRC. It's really not. Since 3rd ed Dark Angels have had Stubborn on all of their troops, we're stoic, silent warrior monks, not scary, spooky warrior monks. Ominous, maybe, but not scary. The fear special rule is entirely absent from the codex except on two pieces of wargear and one special character; no one takes the wargear or the character.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 23:25
|
|
|
Haha what the gently caress Fighter Ace, +35 point upgrade to fliers, then the flying machine get's its own special rule. You roll on a special chart and they get a special rule. One of the Tyranids special rules they can get? Leaving the drat board at the beginning of your opponents Shooting phase. What. The. gently caress. Blood Angles get a chance to give preferred enemy once per game to every friendly model with in 12 inches of the flier. I just seriously doubt people will allow these in normal games.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 23:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 15:18 |
|
|
AbusePuppy posted:Eh. The Leviathan detachment may see some use, but most lists of Skyblight + normal FoC are enough to fill an 1850 list without a ton of wiggle room, so I'm not sure anyone is gonna bother. Especially with the additional formations available, I'm not sure it'll be worth being forced to roll on an awful, awful warlord table and buy extra troops. Screw Troops. I just made up a list that would be an abslute pain in the rear end to play against. 3 Hive Tyrants, wings, 2x devourers, elecroshocks 2 crones 2 Muculid spore broods of 1 each. 2 Tyrannocites with barbed stranglers Hypertoxic Formation 1 Hive Tyrant, wings, 2x devourers, electroshock, toxin sacs 1x Venomthrope 1x venomthrope 2x venomthrope Toxicrene You put the brood of 2 venomthropes into a tyrannocite and the toxicrene into the other. You split up the four hive tyrants and crones at deployment and give a venomthrope to each. They would of course be in cover (and the venomthrope completely out of LOS of the enemy if possible). They then have to deal with six flying monstrous creatures, and a nasty close combat unit dropping right down in their front lines. You also drop the other venomthropes in an area that would allow some fliers to gain a 2+ jink (or just a straight up 5+ cover). Plus, they're pretty nasty against certain squads too. Especially other MCs. It's cheesy, it's bullshit, and I loving love it.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2014 23:45
|
|