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A Pale Horse posted:Fair enough, I hadn't heard that before. I still don't think they're chronically underfunded because the previous five or six elections have gone pretty much without a hitch and I haven't heard of cuts to the election budget this go around that would excuse what we've been seeing. There is nothing that can save SLD short of a miracle. First Miller alienated most of his actually leftist electorate by getting chummy with the business environment and the Catholic Church, then Olejniczak and Napieralski ran its brand into the ground. We can only hope their agony ends after the parliamentary elections, because it's embarrassing to watch. I don't think, however, an another option takes their place, because if something could, would already have. Most of their electorate interested in keeping social safety net fleed to PiS, the ones more interested in social reforms probably went to PO. Both parties are not the best choice, but until the media on both sides don't stop scaremongering with the other side, it will probably not change. If you want an alternative for PO, hope for Kopacz to run the party into the ground, which already seems to be happening.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Showing up in Russian supermarkets: Belarusian "roquefort" and "gruyere" cheeses. Belarus is going to be the new silk road of cheese now, making billions in the process. Batka wins again.
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OddObserver posted:Ugh. Reports of an explosion --- perhaps even more than one --- in Kharkiv, Ukraine. Details still unclear. Turns out to have been some sort of fuel cistern at a rail yard. Loud enough to be heard through quite a bit of the city, but enough out of the way that no people were hurt.
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"HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Showing up in Russian supermarkets: Belarusian "roquefort" and "gruyere" cheeses. Indeed. Russia makes a lot more sense now....
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Showing up in Russian supermarkets: Belarusian "roquefort" and "gruyere" cheeses. Well this is pretty much a declaration of war against France. Roquefort is the very first AOC, protected by French decree since 1411 (not a typo, it does go back all the way to Charles VI). They're flouting a six century old law with their counterfeit cheese!
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Cat Mattress posted:Well this is pretty much a declaration of war against France. Roquefort is the very first AOC, protected by French decree since 1411 (not a typo, it does go back all the way to Charles VI). They're flouting a six century old law with their counterfeit cheese! Depending on the price they might not be --- watch for further Russian bans on Belorussian cheeses made from "inferior French materials".
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Cat Mattress posted:Well this is pretty much a declaration of war against France. Roquefort is the very first AOC, protected by French decree since 1411 (not a typo, it does go back all the way to Charles VI). They're flouting a six century old law with their counterfeit cheese! Literally every brandy made in ex-USSR is proudly called Cognac.
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Nov 22, 2014 15:31
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I'm pretty sure Russia doesn't have the technology to make these sophisticated cheeses. It's probably a gray import through Belarus, like the world famous "Belarussian shrimps".
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Nov 22, 2014 15:33
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Gantolandon posted:There is nothing that can save SLD short of a miracle. First Miller alienated most of his actually leftist electorate by getting chummy with the business environment and the Catholic Church, then Olejniczak and Napieralski ran its brand into the ground. We can only hope their agony ends after the parliamentary elections, because it's embarrassing to watch. It doesn't help that both the young left and the greens are total loons. When SLD croaks, there's literally nobody to fill their spot.
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waitwhatno posted:I'm pretty sure Russia doesn't have the technology to make these sophisticated cheeses. It's probably a gray import through Belarus, like the world famous "Belarussian shrimps".
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It's funny though how Belarus gets slammed by Russia for using Canadian meat in their processed meat products, but "Belarusian" French cheese manages to slip through. More NATO-Russia hijinks. This time NATO intercepted a spy plane off the coast of Latvia. http://www.utro.ua/ru/politika/putin_draznit_nato1416546374 quote:Yesterday armed forces of Latvia recorded in the exclusive economic zone of the Russian warship SS-750.
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Mokotow posted:It doesn't help that both the young left and the greens are total loons. When SLD croaks, there's literally nobody to fill their spot. They could try, but there is no spot to be filled. The left electorate left them long ago - the only people left at this point are the ones voting for them out of habit, mostly old people. SLD did their part to completely ruin the good name of the left, even more than 20+ years of propaganda. Any party trying to implement a social-democratic program would pretty much have to build the necessary support from anew. They would have almost the same chance as the greens or even anarchists. I had some hopes in Demokracja Bezposrednia, because they actually offer an issue an average Pole could accept. The main weakness of mainstream politics in Poland is that our elites are incredibly arrogant and distanced from the rest of the country. Patronizing attitude towards people who don't support them unconditionally is the standard. If you don't offer them unconditional support, they view you either as someone manipulated by their enemy, or just a dumb child who doesn't know what's good for you. Wealthy, affluent journalists calling young people spoiled for wanting more than €500 per month, or a city president insulting people who voted against his ideas in referendum are actually things that generate enough outrage could be turned into support. It seems, however, the party turned to the right nearly immediately after being created.
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Are any of the minor left wing parties viable at all? Or do they defend the soviets/putin?
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Mokotow posted:It doesn't help that both the young left and the greens are total loons. When SLD croaks, there's literally nobody to fill their spot. It may just be that the left is temporarily dead in Poland for all practical purposes and we all have to live with that reality. I actually don't vote PO completely out of "lesser evil" mentality and support about as much as I disagree with in the party but I'd still like to have an alternative a little to the left of where they usually end up. Still the current population just doesn't support a party like Stronnictwo Demokratyczne which would actually be very close to what I actually believe and want so I'll keep voting for PO.
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Crowsbeak posted:Are any of the minor left wing parties viable at all? Or do they defend the soviets/putin? There are and none of them seems to be supporting Putin - in Poland, it's mostly KNP's and neonazi's shtick. The closest thing on the left is the Polish Communist Party who also revere Joseph Stalin and Kim Jong Il, but they are pretty much completely unknown. People are amazed when they accidentally discover their existence. Several social-democratic parties do exist, but they draw nearly zero support. SDPL (Social Democracy of Poland) and Partia Zieloni (The Greens) both have one seat in parliament each. Unia Pracy (Labour United) has one seat in European Parliament. All but The Greens are the offshot of SLD and frequently shared the electoral list with them. Polska Partia Pracy - Sierpień '80 is popular mostly among worker unions, especially despised by the rest of the country miners. There are also worker unions - but they either weak and devoid of any influence, or corrupt and viciously hated by all but their members. Solidarnosc, for example, became a mouthpiece of PiS. As for the radical, anti-capitalist left not affiliated with political parties, there are anarchists and several single-issue organizations (like KOL, concerned mostly with inhabitants of privatized tenement buildings). Not much can be told about them, except that they exist and sometimes organize actions which fail to draw the eye of the public. A Pale Horse posted:It may just be that the left is temporarily dead in Poland for all practical purposes and we all have to live with that reality. I actually don't vote PO completely out of "lesser evil" mentality and support about as much as I disagree with in the party but I'd still like to have an alternative a little to the left of where they usually end up. Still the current population just doesn't support a party like Stronnictwo Demokratyczne which would actually be very close to what I actually believe and want so I'll keep voting for PO. Stronnictwo Demokratyczne is far from being on the left, though - unless you're using Korwin Mikke's interpretation of the word, which also includes PO and PiS. Gantolandon fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Nov 22, 2014 |
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3peat posted:Romanian presidential results map by county So one part Transylvania/Wallachia-Moldova split, and one part urban-rural split?
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Mokotow posted:It doesn't help that both the young left and the greens are total loons. When SLD croaks, there's literally nobody to fill their spot. Aw, I'm a member of the Greens, that hurts man  (To be fair we are mostly loons though, and have no chance of achieving anything ever. Left-of-center as a political position in Poland is dead, dead, dead)
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Guildencrantz posted:Aw, I'm a member of the Greens, that hurts man Hope you weren't taking part in the 10-man strong greens demo at the rainbow on independence day, trying to "take back" the national holiday by singing the anthemn at bored policemen.
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Gantolandon posted:Stronnictwo Demokratyczne is far from being on the left, though - unless you're using Korwin Mikke's interpretation of the word, which also includes PO and PiS. I'm not saying they're necessarily left wing, they're pretty aggressively centrist, but they're more left wing than PO where it counts for me which is social issues.
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Mokotow posted:Hope you weren't taking part in the 10-man strong greens demo at the rainbow on independence day, trying to "take back" the national holiday by singing the anthemn at bored policemen. No, because I don't live in Warsaw or enjoy wasting my time on futile symbolic gestures. Also it was dumb although their heart is in the right place 
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Russian opposition sources are quoting French papers as saying that Russian banks gave the far-right National Front party a 9 million euro loan, it's cool how Russia can't finance its own schools or hospitals but is buying any allies it can, опять хуйло всех переиграл.
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I need to refind that actually pretty funny video where the origin of Belarussian shrimps is explained (it is grown in the sekrit underground lake where Belarus is also hiding its 3 hypermodern aircraft carriers, Elvis Presley, the actual area 51 and West Germanys Gold Reserves).
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Somaen posted:Russian opposition sources are quoting French papers as saying that Russian banks gave the far-right National Front party a 9 million euro loan, it's cool how Russia can't finance its own schools or hospitals but is buying any allies it can, опять хуйло всех переиграл.
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"NATO thugs are interfering in Ukraine and sponsoring fascists" *invades Ukraine with thugs and sponsors fascists*
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Wait, so this 2018 FIFA World Cup in Russia is for real? God drat, you're on a roll FIFA. Brazil, Russia, Qatar. http://www.albawaba.com/sport/boycott-2018-world-cup-russia-624561 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I lmao
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:According to her, the restrictions apply such enterprises as "Inco-Food," "Grandma's Jug", "Bialowieza delicatessen", "Berezovsky meat-packing plant", "Gomel meat plant", "AK Dzerzhinsky", "Smolevichevskaya broiler poultry factory" and the company "Servo Suite ". I'm almost disappointed that they aren't still called the "No.31 People's Glorious Revolutionary Cutlet Factory."
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Nothing elicits the mental image of quality meats better than a name like "Grandma's Jug."
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waitwhatno posted:I'm pretty sure Russia doesn't have the technology to make these sophisticated cheeses. It's probably a gray import through Belarus, like the world famous "Belarussian shrimps". What were they, sea monkeys?
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Somaen posted:Russian opposition sources are quoting French papers as saying that Russian banks gave the far-right National Front party a 9 million euro loan, it's cool how Russia can't finance its own schools or hospitals but is buying any allies it can, опять хуйло всех переиграл. Yup. I was saying this a month ago and waiting for the specifics to start to break--Russia has been funding far-right and far-left populist groups throughout Europe in an attempt to forestall European energy independence.
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Wait isn't Canadian meat well thought of? Every time I've been overseas it's commanded a premium. Or is this double-think?
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Scaramouche posted:Wait isn't Canadian meat well thought of? Every time I've been overseas it's commanded a premium. Or is this double-think? The West = bad
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Scaramouche posted:Wait isn't Canadian meat well thought of? Every time I've been overseas it's commanded a premium. Or is this double-think? It's almost as if there's no issue with the food at all and the banning is all just a big political game!
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My Imaginary GF posted:Yup. I was saying this a month ago and waiting for the specifics to start to break--Russia has been funding far-right and far-left populist groups throughout Europe in an attempt to forestall European energy independence. Still have a long way to go to reach the amount of money the west puts into "democracy promotion". Frankly, if competition gets shifted to that, it is actually beneficial, compared to the west "democracy promoting" their puppets in and Russia responding with forcefull measures in response to that.
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Mightypeon posted:Still have a long way to go to reach the amount of money the west puts into "democracy promotion".
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Forgall posted:Funding nazis is good now. God you are such a piece of poo poo. More nazis means more countries that brave mother russia must protect!
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Mightypeon posted:Still have a long way to go to reach the amount of money the west puts into "democracy promotion". Key Phrase #3.
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Forgall posted:Funding nazis is good now. God you are such a piece of poo poo. OK, objectively explain how Front National is "Nazi", while the groups the US supports in the Ukraine arent. Heck, the economic populism of FN would propably make FN look left wing in todays Rada. Especially since a major reason for Front Nationals rise is that the main parties ceased to be Gaullist (other then Partie de Gauche perhaps, but a gaulist is not that inclined to vote for the Communists), and FN is heavily tapping into that reservoir.
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Nobody has said here that Right Sector or Svoboda don't have fascist leanings, because they both do. Take a look at the last Ukrainian election results and you can see how influential they are in the current government (They aren't). Russia has this tendency to point fingers at the neo-Nazis in other countries while quietly supporting their own fascist groups in their country.
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Mightypeon posted:OK, objectively explain how Front National is "Nazi", while the groups the US supports in the Ukraine arent. Heck, the economic populism of FN would propably make FN look left wing in todays Rada. Mightypeon posted:Especially since a major reason for Front Nationals rise is that the main parties ceased to be Gaullist (other then Partie de Gauche perhaps, but a gaulist is not that inclined to vote for the Communists), and FN is heavily tapping into that reservoir. On second thought, engaging you as if you were a person was a mistake. I'll let someone else mud-wrestle the pig.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Nobody has said here that Right Sector or Svoboda don't have fascist leanings, because they both do. Take a look at the last Ukrainian election results and you can see how influential they are in the current government (They aren't). Russia has this tendency to point fingers at the neo-Nazis in other countries while quietly supporting their own fascist groups in their country. He said 'US supported' groups, which implies he thinks that Turchynov, Poroshenko's bloc and Yatsenyuk's party are neonazis. I don't think he's very intellectually honest about this and is actually drawing false parallels between what Russia and the US are doing. Somaen fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Nov 23, 2014 |
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