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Doctor Butts posted:It's the cop's fault for putting himself into that situation that he couldn't control. Oh, so you were there to know exactly who's fault it was? Im sorry but Michael Brown was no loving angel. His death could/should have been avoided, yes. But people have got to stop laying all the blame on the cop. Both parties acted dumb. Unfortunately, one of them paid with his life.
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Dalael posted:Its not trolling but common loving sense. Assaulting an officer will ALWAYS end up badly. cops take worse hits to the face breaking up bar fights every loving day, how do they manage not to blow everyone away around them?
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People torched a car dealership last night in St. Louis? Guess that happened after I went to sleep. Some pictures of last night: http://mashable.com/2014/11/25/ferguson-protest-photos/
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prahanormal posted:The amount of obveous, low effort trolling in this thread is both disheartening and entirely expected. Honestly at some point people need to give up the idea that everyone racist on the internet is just being ironic and accept there is a lot of racist people that got taught early on that saying "it's a JOKE" shields them when they express their actual opinions.
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rscott posted:cops take worse hits to the face breaking up bar fights every loving day, how do they manage not to blow everyone away around them? Go to mostly white bars.
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Dalael posted:Im sorry but Michael Brown was no loving angel. If you aren't trolling you sure are plugged into the lovely talking point hivemind. Owlofcreamcheese posted:Honestly at some point people need to give up the idea that everyone racist on the internet is just being ironic and accept there is a lot of racist people that got taught early on that saying "it's a JOKE" shields them when they express their actual opinions. Seriously. If the last six years have taught me anything it's that there was an absurd amount of racist sentiment bubbling under the surface of white America that was barely constrained by the fact that being labeled a racist was a social hindrance. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Doctor Butts posted:It's also the cop's fault for murdering the suspect
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Dalael posted:Oh, so you were there to know exactly who's fault it was?
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Dalael posted:Oh, so you were there to know exactly who's fault it was? If the cop had initiated contact at a safe distance, to where Brown couldn't just shut the door on him and pin him like an idiot in his own cruiser, it could have been avoided too. He could have kept the suspect at a safe distance and be able to control the situation. Instead, he acted like an idiot and had to shoot his way out of a situation he caused, kind of like Zimmerman.
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Radish posted:If you aren't trolling you sure are plugged into the lovely talking point hivemind. Im in the opinion that this whole story is not just a one sided affair like many people are trying to portray it.
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At the risk of being flame sprayed, it is entirely possible that the 12 people who sat through months of evidence might know more about the case than any of us here. Apparently all the evidence is going to be released under the Missouri Sunshine law. That's a good thing.
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Nov 25, 2014 15:27
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Dalael posted:Im in the opinion that this whole story is not just a one sided affair like many people are trying to portray it. Well you're wrong 
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Dum Cumpster posted:Aren't cops in most countries trained to deal with non-rational people without shooting them? Sane countries, yes. Training for police varies from state to state and county to county, some receive a mere several weeks of academy training before being unleashed on an unsuspecting public that takes Law & Order as canon for how the justice system works (valiant cops with steel nerves, brilliant attorneys who always do the right thing, wise judges, and so on). As you can tell from his deranged "Hulk Hogan" statements, the irrational person was the guy in uniform with a gun. Wilson is, quite simply, a mentally ill person given a gun and impunity from the law.
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Dalael posted:Im sorry but Michael Brown was no loving angel. Heeeeeere we go again 
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"[name of dead person] was no angel" is a standard bullshit excuse to vilify the dead person as if some prior minor crime or other inconsequential detail validates whatever absurd story is established. It couldn't be any more stereotypical and trying to claim that this is an attempt to be non-partisan is absurd.
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9 jurors needed for the decision 9 were white, 3 were black  I wonder what the breakdown was
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Dalael posted:Im in the opinion that this whole story is not just a one sided affair like many people are trying to portray it.  you are right.
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ActusRhesus posted:At the risk of being flame sprayed, it is entirely possible that the 12 people who sat through months of evidence might know more about the case than any of us here. The problem is that prosecutors don't generally do what the prosecutor in this case did. That is to say, they choose which evidence to present to a grand jury; they sure as poo poo don't just lay it all out there. The DA was supposed to act as a advocate for the state and the victim, in this case he completely abrogated his duty as a prosecutor, either because he was chickenshit and didn't want to get in trouble or because he didn't think that the case should be prosecuted. So basically they shotgunned every piece of evidence they had at 12 laypeople and did nothing to build a story or theory of a case.
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Honestly, the only lesson to be learned here that everyone should agree on is that police should wear cameras. It has been proven to reduce complaints against police and incidents of police brutality in multiple cities that have implemented it by making police act more responsibly knowing that they're constantly on the record, and giving them the means to refute false accusations of misconduct. Its win-win for everyone except corrupt cops, so you know exactly what kind of police force you have based on their level of opposition to such an idea.
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I think, after looking at the evidence, that this is a terrible case for those trying to make hay of trigger happy cops. There are more egregious examples of cop violence pretty much every week, and often more than one a week. We just saw one in Cleveland with a rookie cop gunning down a little kid. The only reason this story even propelled into the national spotlight is because of early (and erroneous according to witnesses/autopsy) reports that he had his back turned and his hands up when he was shot. Neither one appears to be the truth, at least it does not sound like even a single witness backed up that chain of events. This was a robbery suspect fleeing the scene of an apparent crime who had a violent confrontation with the officer, then there was a pursuit, and there was again a second confrontation with the officer where most of the witnesses said that Michael Brown was the instigator. He certainly did not surrender peacefully. He did the exact opposite. There are so many cases of police violence to get pissed off about. It's time to move on from this one. I think what is the real story here is the police reaction to protests, which was asymmetric and violent. It trampled the first amendment both for reporters and citizens alike.
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Dalael posted:Oh, so you were there to know exactly who's fault it was? I think the anger with the police goes beyond Ferguson. This same incident likely happens often in other communities, but gets no press. And if the minority isn't being shot at or beaten? Then maybe they are getting a body cavity search after being stopped for a minor traffic violation.
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I don't even care about the protests turning violent at this point. Peaceful protesting has gone on for 50 years and we're still in the same state. I can't even care any more about pretending that throwing rocks or bottles at the cops is wrong. Not when the institution of American police has made itself perfectly deserving.
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Z is still streaming in Clayton at the courthouse. I will be there shortly. http://www.ustream.tv/z
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ActusRhesus posted:the 12 people who sat through months of evidence The 12 people including 9 who were white in a county which is 80% African American which returned a decision reached 0.007% of the time.
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zoux posted:The problem is that prosecutors don't generally do what the prosecutor in this case did. That is to say, they choose which evidence to present to a grand jury; they sure as poo poo don't just lay it all out there. The DA was supposed to act as a advocate for the state and the victim, in this case he completely abrogated his duty as a prosecutor, either because he was chickenshit and didn't want to get in trouble or because he didn't think that the case should be prosecuted. So basically they shotgunned every piece of evidence they had at 12 laypeople and did nothing to build a story or theory of a case. Maybe having a prosecutor that fantasized about being a cop isn't the best idea when your goal is to prosecute a cop.
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ActusRhesus posted:At the risk of being flame sprayed, it is entirely possible that the 12 people who sat through months of evidence might know more about the case than any of us here. Well this is already out. http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson-project/evidence.html So I went to bed before midnight, what's the summary of last night? Lotta buildings burned, was a cop actually killed?
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Dalael posted:Im in the opinion that this whole story is not just a one sided affair like many people are trying to portray it. You're right, there is more than one side to this. Which side is right? Well, I have an idea. What if we had, like, a meeting, like a legit one, with lawyers and poo poo, where we can pore through some details, pull out what really happened, all in like an orderly and lawful way, and see whether or not Darren Wilson is guilty of breaking laws. We could try it.
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Rotten Cookies posted:What if we had, like, a meeting, like a legit one, with lawyers and poo poo, where we can pore through some details, pull out what really happened, all in like an orderly and lawful way, and see whether or not Darren Wilson is guilty of breaking laws. We could try it. no gently caress you, no indictment for my man Wilson. Atoramos fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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ActusRhesus posted:At the risk of being flame sprayed, it is entirely possible that the 12 people who sat through months of evidence might know more about the case than any of us here. The case was specifically about if it was LEGAL. I believe very much it was legal, which is the whole issue. A legal system where it's pretty much consequence free for cops to shoot blacks.
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Hopefully the family can get some of the $432,000 racists donated to Officer Wilson though crowd funding in a civil case.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Well this is already out. http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson-project/evidence.html Thanks for the link, have any fact checking sites skimmed through it? It's a lot of reading....
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The case was specifically about if it was LEGAL. I believe very much it was legal, which is the whole issue. A legal system where it's pretty much consequence free for cops to shoot blacks. The quote I'm seeing people post is "A system cannot fail those it was never built to protect," from W.E.B. DuBois.
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Darren Wilson shot an unarmed black kid and got 10+ years worth of salary for it.
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ActusRhesus posted:At the risk of being flame sprayed, it is entirely possible that the 12 people who sat through months of evidence might know more about the case than any of us here. No, forum posters know more than the people in that courtroom. Piss off!!!!
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Pomp posted:Darren Wilson shot an unarmed black kid and got 10+ years worth of salary for it. He got donations for being crucified by the media and to bankroll a possible legal defense, not for the shooting. ----------------
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"No, sorry black Americans, this case is a pretty lousy one to rally around in order to protest the systemic and institutionalized racism that pervades your every waking moment and affects virtually every decision you make in day-to-day life. Maybe you should wait for a better one?? Maybe for a little girl with pigtails who gets shot by a state trooper for playing hop-scotch too close to a freeway?? IDK."
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Lblitzer posted:No, forum posters know more than the people in that courtroom. Piss off!!!! So your position is that the American justice system is infallible.
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Narciss posted:He got donations for being crucified by the media and to bankroll a possible legal defense, not for the shooting. Sure.
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Rotten Cookies posted:You're right, there is more than one side to this. Which side is right? Well, I have an idea. (Guy gets 25 years for shooting someone in the leg in self defense did not kill him, person who it him admits that he was going to just beat on anyone within reach, this from the state that brought you the Zimmerman fiasco) tezcat fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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