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ActusRhesus posted:yuck. They were also crying about an incident back in January in another part of the metro area where a cop punched a black lady in the face a couple of times. Thing is she was drunk, completely out of control, and had scratched him in the face. They're mad now because he got exonerated, of course charges against her were dropped too but she's still not happy. My high school sociology teacher started ranting on time about how it's incredibly racist to talk about "those people from Chicago". Well 15. Years ago there wasn't a heroin problem up here and now there is. I'm not against helping people but excuse me if I'm not wholeheartedly for letting just poo poo all over the rest of the community.
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That's a tough call because on one hand you have "those people" but on the other your teacher does have a degree in sociology so you probably should listen to what they say about race issues.
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Nov 26, 2014 19:19
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Same case?
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Nov 26, 2014 19:20
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Vasudus posted:I've been told that I don't understand how institutional racism works, or the perils of homelessness. Cole posted:You don't have any real life experience though Street smarts before book smarts nerd.
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Nov 26, 2014 19:20
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Vasudus posted:Is anyone else greatly amused that OPEC is putting the screws to Russia by not cutting production? It helps that China imports a poo poo load of oil from OPEC and in turn exports tons and tons of poo poo to them. IIRC they export more stuff to the Middle East than anywhere else on the planet. They got a good thing going and it's not like the Russians have done a loving thing for them in the region in the past 20 years. Them loving over Russia is just a happy coincidence imho
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Nov 26, 2014 19:20
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Current events: the Houthis are not loving around.
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Current event: people driving like little old ladies from Florida in the snow and still can't manage to make a turn at 5 mph without sliding. e: There's only a few inches of snow at most, and there's no ice on the road.
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Nov 26, 2014 19:32
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ActusRhesus posted:yuck. Pretty much how I feel about the whole thing. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong (which is likely, as I'm not a cop nor a prosecutor), and maybe it's just cause I grew up in a different jurisdiction, but isn't it pretty much SOP that anytime someone is shot and killed by on-duty cop, a grand jury is summoned (or something of that sort) to ensure it was justified? Cause I mean, I had to deal with people screaming that Wilson wasn't outright indicted for murder when this all first happened, and explaining to them that there is a process that needs to be followed (and I'll admit, I thought process was pretty loving flawed in this case, as well as how the GJ was handled) before that step is even considered just got me more cries of "YEAH WHAT THE gently caress EVER YOU RACIST COP LOVER" 
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Nov 26, 2014 19:33
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Spicy Guacamole posted:It's not really an infantry av. It was previously just one rifle, but I added a second after getting banned or something. I just want to say that's an amazing slogan.
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Nov 26, 2014 19:49
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Vasudus posted:Is anyone else greatly amused that OPEC is putting the screws to Russia by not cutting production? Feeling some late-80's nostalgia about it.
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Nov 26, 2014 19:54
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No offense, I was curious how that specific breed of primate got in my head, though
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Fister Roboto posted:I just want to say that's an amazing slogan. Take pride. It's a Daisy.
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Nov 26, 2014 19:56
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Handsome Ralph posted:Pretty much how I feel about the whole thing. Only rarely is there any process external to the law enforcement agency to determine whether a shoot was justified. There is usually an internal process at the law enforcement agency to determine that a shoot was justified.
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Nov 26, 2014 20:02
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joat mon posted:Only rarely is there any process external to the law enforcement agency to determine whether a shoot was justified. Ah, that makes sense then. I just recalled a shooting that happened in my hometown a few years back. It was ruled justified, but the DA's office investigated it and convened a GJ and I was told it was the SOP by someone I worked with (who had worked with the State Police at one point but has said questionable things before).
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Nov 26, 2014 20:14
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I was talking with a friend who is a cop last night and he made the very rational and obvious point that "you have to gently caress up pretty bad to be in a position to be shot by a cop". Pretty sure that someone said that in D&D and was proven to in fact be the literal reincarnation of Adolf Thurmond. That Adolf Thurmond is me, for I am friends with a law enforcer Happy Thanksgiving friends may everyone get excessively drunk and slam a fat pig 
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Black people will get harassed by cops no doubt and that sucks but even most black people (at least the few I've spoke to) will tell you that its pretty obvious when you're in a situation that might get you hosed up. And usually you're the person that put you there. But idk I'm white and this is just what black people tell me. "The ones who have the biggest problems are the ones who usually have something going on that can get them in trouble." -an actual black guy
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Nov 26, 2014 20:23
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You will never convince the groupthink in D&D of this, though. Remember the guy who got shot trying to buy an airsoft gun in Walmart? Those jokers went on and on about his killing, but maybe if you don't want to get shot by the police you shouldn't walk around carrying a gun.
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Nov 26, 2014 20:25
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I'm a big fan of lapel cameras. Not only can you see if a police involved shooting is justified, you can get some sick liveleak footage out of the deal. Edit: yes, I'm fully aware of the logistics involved
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And End of Watch was loving badass and had lots of lapel cameras.
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Nov 26, 2014 20:33
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Maarek posted:You will never convince the groupthink in D&D of this, though. Remember the guy who got shot trying to buy an airsoft gun in Walmart? Those jokers went on and on about his killing, but maybe if you don't want to get shot by the police you shouldn't walk around carrying a gun. That was a legit hosed-up situation. The guy who called 911 was lying his rear end off and saying that the dude was carrying a rifle and pointing it at kids and acting crazy, when security footage just showed him hanging out in an aisle holding an air rifle that he was planning to buy or ask a question about or whatever. So the cops roll in expecting Charles Whitman reborn and shoot the guy dead almost as soon as they see him. Here's a video synced with the 911 call. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nMJ2gV_WLo
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Nov 26, 2014 20:40
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Vasudus posted:Is anyone else greatly amused that OPEC is putting the screws to Russia by not cutting production? That's actually one of the most entertaining things about the whole scenario. I wonder if it's motivated by the Iranian nuke program or what, though.
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Zeroisanumber posted:That was a legit hosed-up situation. The guy who called 911 was lying his rear end off and saying that the dude was carrying a rifle and pointing it at kids and acting crazy, when security footage just showed him hanging out in an aisle holding an air rifle that he was planning to buy or ask a question about or whatever. So the cops roll in expecting Charles Whitman reborn and shoot the guy dead almost as soon as they see him. Can the guy that called that in be thrown in prison? Because he should be.
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Vasudus posted:I'm a big fan of lapel cameras. Not only can you see if a police involved shooting is justified, you can get some sick liveleak footage out of the deal. I actually thing it would be a good through experiment to lay down all the logistics and legality to explain why its a great flash idea but would take a ton of time and money to implement.
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Nov 26, 2014 20:56
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zombie303 posted:Can the guy that called that in be thrown in prison? Because he should be. I'd hope so. Thats some bullshit. Cops just dropped him, no verbal commands or anything. Given what they were being told I get it. Is that SOP though?
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I'd like to see that too, because I don't see how it costs much more than other gear every officer is provided.
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BexGu posted:I actually thing it would be a good through experiment to lay down all the logistics and legality to explain why its a great flash idea but would take a ton of time and money to implement.
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Godholio posted:I'd like to see that too, because I don't see how it costs much more than other gear every officer is provided. For the web side: Storage and retention space (How much? What video quality? Black and white or color? How long?) Indexing and uploading of data after shift (Who does it? Is there additional meta data associated with the video?) Local server space or remote cloud storage (What is the backup plan? Who is in charge of running it? What is the access protocol?) That is just off the top of my head. Not even counting the design and UI of the upload and retrieve system. BexGu fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Godholio posted:That's actually one of the most entertaining things about the whole scenario. I wonder if it's motivated by the Iranian nuke program or what, though. Even if Iran managed to get its enrichment program in full swing would they even be able to develop, test and miniaturize a bomb to a remotely usable size quickly enough to not get deep dicked by the entire Arab world? I mean the goddamn Norks have an atom bomb but it's like 3x bigger than the trinity bomb and a 1/3rd as powerful.
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Casimir Radon posted:A lot of tasers have had cameras in them for years for liability reasons. We might as well put them on guns now so the next time somebody is crying about a cop blowing away their precious innocent baby they can be presented with video of him brandishing a meat cleaver. The fired cop turned state rep/head of cop union in Missouri who started the "I support Darren Wilson" fundraiser actually successfully argued in court that a police camera couldn't be used against the policeman because of the fifth amendment.
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Maarek posted:I am just spitballing here but maybe in this new forum if you want to talk a lot about a subject you should have to post a scan of your degree or documents that certify you know what you're talking about. If you go shooting you mouth off and you don't provide those docs, everyone knows you just have a crippling mental condition or work in retail, like Ron said. Some people would try to fake it, probably, but I'm sure people would be willing to dig in to people's "docs" to make sure. I don't think you need a degree to have an opinion. For example, I am not an economist but have opinions about the economy. The difference, of course, is when I encounter a real economist who tries to tell me my opinion is based on an incorrect understanding, I listen to what they have to say rather than screaming a bunch of internet social justice warrior buzzwords at them.
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Stultus Maximus posted:The fired cop turned state rep/head of cop union in Missouri who started the "I support Darren Wilson" fundraiser actually successfully argued in court that a police camera couldn't be used against the policeman because of the fifth amendment. That's just asinine. I think there are some legit issues in Missouri outside of this one case. Ps. It's also a misstatement of the fifth amendment, as video is not testimonial.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:25
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Have the recorders automatically upload their contents when they're placed on a charging station, to a secure location. Have access logs and make the content read-only and non-deletable.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:34
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ActusRhesus posted:I don't think you need a degree to have an opinion. For example, I am not an economist but have opinions about the economy. The difference, of course, is when I encounter a real economist who tries to tell me my opinion is based on an incorrect understanding, I listen to what they have to say rather than screaming a bunch of internet social justice warrior buzzwords at them. That's one thing I used to love about SA. Get in a conversation, someone says your wrong and tells you about their experiences/education, then informs you of all kinds of cool poo poo. Three Phase was great for electronics poo poo, and I had a goon give me step by step instructions for making real good omlettes that were fluffy instead of egg pancakes (add milks and whip with a fork), and a really cool thread where someone went on a long informo-post about working for the TSA.
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ActusRhesus posted:That's just asinine. I think there are some legit issues in Missouri outside of this one case. My mistake, Roorda just made the public statements supporting the lawyer's arguments. Because the internet is better than my memory quote:There was nothing life or death about the decision Rory Bruce made to pound this cuffed teenager in custody. Yet, he was acquitted by Associate Circuit Court Judge Theresa Counts Burke. Not because she found this conduct acceptable, but because she never watched the video. The camera's footage has to be verified by someone at the scene, and that was the subject of the fifth amendment claim. Which is also asinine. quote:Roorda says the judge did right—he told News 4, police videos like these should be used to protect police. "Now, it’s become a “gotcha-head hunter” tool that we’ve seen internal affairs go over-board with."
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ActusRhesus posted:I don't think you need a degree to have an opinion. For example, I am not an economist but have opinions about the economy. The difference, of course, is when I encounter a real economist who tries to tell me my opinion is based on an incorrect understanding, I listen to what they have to say rather than screaming a bunch of internet social justice warrior buzzwords at them. I agree completely and this is the key element in all this, it's only these social justice warrior people who act this way. That's why their groupthink has such a bad effect on the discourse in that forum. For example, if you posted about black ladies and "those people" in D&D people would immediately call you a racist and don't even get me started on what they'd say when you point out that most of the time black people put themselves in positions to get hurt. Here in this thread you're free to express your ideas and if people don't like them, they're free to logically argue with you about them without any social justice warrior nonsense.
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Vasudus posted:Have the recorders automatically upload their contents when they're placed on a charging station, to a secure location. Have access logs and make the content read-only and non-deletable. What you've outlined sounds simple. However the care and feeding of that system is not. Thats the part of IT that most people don't understand. Who is going to regularly review the logs? Maintenance contracts on the storage? Network infrastructure? Plan, design, implement it? Cloud storage? If so security policies? Backup/disaster recovery plan? What needs to be done to make sure the footage is admissible if required? Indexing system/meta data? Who adds the info? How do they add it? How is it verified? Who writes that standard? COTS or custom development? I'm not being a dick. Things like this aren't as simple as saying make it so (unless a butt load of funding comes with the command). Oh and people that actually know what the hell they are doing.
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Tremblay posted:What you've outlined sounds simple. However the care and feeding of that system is not. Thats the part of IT that most people don't understand. Who is going to regularly review the logs? Maintenance contracts on the storage? Network infrastructure? Plan, design, implement it? Cloud storage? If so security policies? Backup/disaster recovery plan? What needs to be done to make sure the footage is admissible if required? Indexing system/meta data? Who adds the info? How do they add it? How is it verified? Who writes that standard? COTS or custom development? It sounds simple because I'm talking broad strokes, not fine details like who is going to janitor the infrastructure. You don't need to get into the minutiae because we aren't responding to an RFP, we're nerds on the Internet. Only person that should have access are the evidence officer and the DA, probably.
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Vasudus posted:It sounds simple because I'm talking broad strokes, not fine details like who is going to janitor the infrastructure. You don't need to get into the minutiae because we aren't responding to an RFP, we're nerds on the Internet. Sure, my point was that the general assumptions about IT don't often line up with reality. Not really meant as a rebuttal to your post. Just amplifying info.
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ActusRhesus posted:I don't think you need a degree to have an opinion. For example, I am not an economist but have opinions about the economy. The difference, of course, is when I encounter a real economist who tries to tell me my opinion is based on an incorrect understanding, I listen to what they have to say rather than screaming a bunch of internet social justice warrior buzzwords at them. The flaw in your reasoning is that internet SJW buzzwords come directly from college social science and philosophy courses.
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Stultus Maximus posted:The flaw in your reasoning is that internet SJW buzzwords come directly from college social science and philosophy courses. And then get latched on to like a fad and destroyed in much the same fashion. All of those buzzwords lost credibility when used by the common crowd that uses them. E: if I take a semester of algebra and then trig but that doesn't mean I'm an absolute math genius. I can probably use words like algorithm and theorem correctly, but that doesn't give me any real credibility to use those words. Apply that to SJW buzzwords and social science classes.
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