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Snow Zombies is one of the best tropes of the Zombie genre. I'm all for Snow Zombies.
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Super Aggro Crag posted:My good friend just got a job on the new spin-off. Lucky bastard. Can't wait until the crossover episode. "Glenn? Is that you? Hey, buddy! What are you doing in Boston?"
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Nov 27, 2014 23:58
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Super Aggro Crag posted:My good friend just got a job on the new spin-off. Lucky bastard. Is the spin-off gonna work like Arrow and The Flash? They've done the serious, gritty thing, so now they can do a more light-hearted, fun show? Will it have Frakensteins?
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Nov 28, 2014 00:54
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I was under the impression that the spin-off is going to have more kids.
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Nov 28, 2014 01:02
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How long does it take a dead body to decay when exposed to the environment? Shouldn't there be fewer zombies after 1 year?
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Nov 28, 2014 01:53
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Ms Andry posted:How long does it take a dead body to decay when exposed to the environment. Shouldn't there be fewer zombies after 1 year? Now that you mention it, I'm starting to see this zombie thing as highly implausible
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Nov 28, 2014 01:57
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Ms Andry posted:How long does it take a dead body to decay when exposed to the environment. Shouldn't there be fewer zombies after 1 year? Basically all zombie fiction has decay for zombies completely stopped to keep them around. Otherwise you just have 28 Days Later where the "zombies" starve to death.
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Nov 28, 2014 03:46
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mewse posted:The running dead? The Crawling Comatose
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Nov 28, 2014 06:11
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Lycus posted:I was under the impression that the spin-off is going to have more kids. Yeah, I think Rick's group is going to keep up the grittier survival on the road thing and the spin-off is going to be a lot like the Grady Hospital crew
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Nov 28, 2014 06:23
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This show did the right thing by getting rid of all of the kids except two (one of which obviously has no dialogue).
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Nov 28, 2014 06:26
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Cingulate posted:Snow Zombies is one of the best tropes of the Zombie genre. I'm all for Snow Zombies. Once they leave Georgia they'll be in snow country 
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Nov 28, 2014 07:42
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I would like to see them make their way to Detroit and experience the zombies there, both living and dead.
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Nov 28, 2014 07:45
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Ms Andry posted:How long does it take a dead body to decay when exposed to the environment? Shouldn't there be fewer zombies after 1 year? I think a lot of that decay is due to small carrion scavengers and insects, which are going to be put off when their meal keeps moving.
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Nov 28, 2014 10:54
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Decay works differently for zombies - their flesh persists, but their bones turn into tissue paper. Maybe they don't rot very fast because of all the calcium that migrates into soft tissues.
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Nov 28, 2014 11:21
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LadyPictureShow posted:Yeah, but while they're driving Randall(?) the designated 18 miles from the farm, Rick starts talking about how they ought to plan for winter. I only remember that part because the WD thread for season 2 was making so much fun of how Andrew Lincoln said 'Lord of the Raaaaaaangs' in the scene when Rick was monologuing about how his cousin got stuck the winter before. They won't do this for the same reason Survivor won't shoot in cold weather; no girls in bikinis or crop top shirts.
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Nov 28, 2014 13:51
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steinrokkan posted:Decay works differently for zombies - their flesh persists, but their bones turn into tissue paper. Maybe they don't rot very fast because of all the calcium that migrates into soft tissues. I did laugh when Carl was teaching the Preacher how to use the machete and he explicitly mentioned that sometimes you need to use more force to get the blade out if their skull is not soft.
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Nov 28, 2014 23:23
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Ms Andry posted:How long does it take a dead body to decay when exposed to the environment? Shouldn't there be fewer zombies after 1 year? And how are they moving after all this time? Where does the kinetic energy from their moving body parts come from? There's no input. They try to eat things, but they don't seem to need it. And they aren't consuming themselves, as we can see they aren't deteriorating. What happened to the laws of thermodynamics? Are they creating energy? Somehow harnessing it from hitherto untapped sources? Perhaps when civilization reestablishes itself, it will end up being a utopian land of plenty, powered by armies of infinitely shambling zombies in giant hamster wheels, producing limitless free energy. Zombies are basically magic. No good will come from nitpicking.
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Nov 29, 2014 00:33
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how do they move if movement is facilitated by nervous synapses, which are in turn dependent on fat, which is more vulnerable to decay than most tissues Like, the whole premise makes no sense if you try to think about it - that's why the only good zombie stories use supernatural explanations, like the Hell overflowing and crap.
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Nov 29, 2014 00:39
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I thought World War Z (the book) mostly struck a good balance with its explanations. At some points it got into too much detail about how the survivors basically turned zombie slaying into a systematic routine, though.
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Nov 29, 2014 01:36
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I prefer it when it's like 28 Days Later or this show, where it's, "ehhhh, some scientist somewhere probably knows, but we're busy eating cans of spam so, in practice, who cares." I know this is an irrational complaint, but literal magic zombies makes me throw my hands up and wonder if we're gonna see the characters run into a dracula or wolfmans next.
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Nov 29, 2014 01:37
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The virus that reanimates them also makes certain systems resistant to decomposition.
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Nov 29, 2014 02:06
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Ms Andry posted:I would like to see them make their way to Detroit and experience the zombies there, both living and dead. Many times have I overlooked the city from my office window and fantasized about how the zombie apocalypse would play out in the D. It helps that there are hardly anyone ever on the streets and from a high rise the bums looks like the shambling dead. Protip: Comerica park was decided to be one of the better places to hunker down. Lots of big fences and a nice big field to farm.
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Nov 29, 2014 02:14
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Yeah, there's probably never going to be a good explanation for the zombies (especially the long-term zombies. I mean, the napalm walkers' brains certainly would've rotted to nothing long before the 18-24 months or however far into the apocalypse we are now). The best we can do is be all "blah blah blah virus + zombies eating = brain stems and rudimentary nervous system" etc. and suspect our disbelief because that's what fictional entertainment typically demands. Even really great writers can't always explain everything sensibly (and Kirkman is not a great writer). We just need to accept their existence and their varying degrees of being made of iron and papier mache and roll with it. Also, while I'm no Beth fan, I think from Dawn's perspective it kind of made sense for her to think Beth isn't weak. Dawn didn't see Beth wandering around crying for a whole season, and then spend the next being Judith's annoying singing nanny like we did. The hospital crew has only seen her latest incarnation, who is relatively defiant and ballsy and not afraid of getting decked by a rape-condoning, wishful-thinking moron and her little gang of creepy wannabe kidnapper cops. I can't help being a little annoyed at Sasha (or more accurately, the writers' treatment of her) though; despite being rattled about Bob and still trying to be a good human being, it's dumb as hell to turn your back on a captive who stole and injured some of your friends.
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Nov 29, 2014 04:44
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Is anyone else annoyed that they ran with the Eugene arc with rick and the prime group. The entire time with him selling the mission, they never once mentioned their time at the cdc and how they saw all the other cdc labs go offline... yeah...
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killglance posted:Is anyone else annoyed that they ran with the Eugene arc with rick and the prime group. The entire time with him selling the mission, they never once mentioned their time at the cdc and how they saw all the other cdc labs go offline... yeah... Could be lazy writing. Could be that Rick's group didn't understand what it meant (also, it seems plausible that the other labs could go offline without meaning they're totally ruined or overrun or whatever--it's not like they'd be responsible for keeping up the communications network, or even able to do it for any extended amount of time). Also, Eugene said he was with the Human Genome Project, an entity separate from the CDC. It could also just be that Rick's group wants to believe there could be an end to the mess in sight (even if they're not as deluded about the possibility as Abraham's group is), and the greater Atlanta area hasn't been doing them much in the way of favors lately anyway, so why not consider waltzing towards DC.
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Nov 29, 2014 05:07
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Pharmaskittle posted:I know this is an irrational complaint, but literal magic zombies makes me throw my hands up and wonder if we're gonna see the characters run into a dracula or wolfmans next. Overcrowded Hell zombies are the best zombies, followed by Unexplained Zombies.
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killglance posted:Is anyone else annoyed that they ran with the Eugene arc with rick and the prime group. The entire time with him selling the mission, they never once mentioned their time at the cdc and how they saw all the other cdc labs go offline... yeah...
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killglance posted:Is anyone else annoyed that they ran with the Eugene arc with rick and the prime group. The entire time with him selling the mission, they never once mentioned their time at the cdc and how they saw all the other cdc labs go offline... yeah... I remember reading an interview with Kirkman awhile back where he specifically mentioned that the CDC storyline was a huge mistake in the first season. Supposedly, that whole "France was close to a cure before they went dark" plot point was something added by Frank Darabont and not approved by Kirkman. (Although, who knows how true that is.) At any rate, when Darabont got the boot, that whole storyline went with him.
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Nov 29, 2014 06:09
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Bumblebee posted:I remember reading an interview with Kirkman awhile back where he specifically mentioned that the CDC storyline was a huge mistake in the first season. Supposedly, that whole "France was close to a cure before they went dark" plot point was something added by Frank Darabont and not approved by Kirkman. (Although, who knows how true that is.) At any rate, when Darabont got the boot, that whole storyline went with him. I'm probably in the minority here, but I really, really enjoyed the CDC storyline. It was probably the best storyline on the entire show. The promise of a safe place with a cure, followed by the group's entire hopes and dreams come crashing down on them. It really reinforced the post-apocalyptic setting: that there is no cure, and this is the world they have to live in now.
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enraged_camel posted:I'm probably in the minority here, but I really, really enjoyed the CDC storyline. It was probably the best storyline on the entire show. The promise of a safe place with a cure, followed by the group's entire hopes and dreams come crashing down on them. It really reinforced the post-apocalyptic setting: that there is no cure, and this is the world they have to live in now. Agree with this 100%. The show peaked with that plot line and it's been struggling to get back to that level (and failing) ever since.
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Seconded. The CDC was great. I wondered why the characters seemed to be deliberately ignoring the fact that they've had some insider knowledge on the government response to the plague. Now I know it's because some dipshit showrunner wishes it never happened. I know comparisons like these are probably tired, but can you imagine the writers of Breaking Bad saying "The ending of season 1 was a big mistake. We should have the characters act as though it never happened"?
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The CDC arc was forced in, and the rest of the show ignores it because it never happened in the source material. It's the same thing as the stuttering end of the Governor. His whole 'redemption' arc was all about getting the main story back on track, getting everyone out of the prison, and finally having Kirkman's omitted tank scene once the budget could accommodate it.
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Nov 29, 2014 09:08
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moths posted:The CDC arc was forced in, and the rest of the show ignores it because it never happened in the source material. The funny thing is I liked the redemption arc only because he was a good actor, and there was a an absolute gently caress ton of room to cause the same outcome but make it tragic - have Rick's group just flat out be like "No, gently caress you and your one good eye" in his sincere face. Or to have his loyal second in command decide that they were going to take the prison by force against his wishes. He could have gone out on a really interesting note of a villain that tried to do the right thing, and failed. It'd been really neat, I think, anyway. If they were going to have him just up and start killing people for no loving reason (the moment that whole story went to poo poo) just to reset things all over again.. I'd honestly preferred that whole series be about him raising an army with no hint of redemption, with a single track mind to go back and win. Instead we got a story that started one way, then three quarters of the way through slammed into a different gear. ... that said I do find it funny the whole time I kept saying "if he had both eyes, I'd honestly believe this was a prequel story to Woodsbury, this feels like the origin of Woodsbury," only to find out that the entire episode was pretty much lifted from a comic about the origin of Woodsbury. Stop and think about even the dumb final outcome for a second in that context: The woman he fell in love with and the little girl would fit perfectly into being the ones he lost even.
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Nov 29, 2014 09:13
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More than anything, the Governor encapsulates a lot of the early show's flaws. As a character, he represented a lot of interesting ideas and concepts. They put a solid actor in the role, and then somehow managed to bungle and misfire every part of the delivery.
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Nov 29, 2014 09:31
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Unzip and Attack posted:Agree with this 100%. The show peaked with that plot line and it's been struggling to get back to that level (and failing) ever since. That's what happens when you drop your show runner and double the number of episodes without doubling budget. To be honest any show runner that gets the reigns now is in "damage control" mode. You can clearly see their response is to move everything far closer to the comics.
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Nov 29, 2014 09:46
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Which is a loving shame since the comics are Grade A horseshit. I'm honestly surprised with the quality of the show this season. Gimple is a godsend, managing Kirkman and still putting out quality. I
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Nov 29, 2014 13:15
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The comics are great, had a few flat spots but over all they are great.
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Nov 29, 2014 14:31
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Even if they mentioned the CDC, it would be very easy to shrug off. "The whole government network has gone black! There's no way to contact them or even know there is anybody still in charge!" "Duh, that's why I need to personally get to Washington and see what can be done."
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Nov 29, 2014 14:34
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ZombieParts posted:Yeah, I think Rick's group is going to keep up the grittier survival on the road thing and the spin-off is going to be a lot like the Grady Hospital crew Walking Scrubs, perhaps? Could revive Zach Braffs career, and give us a lighthearted view of the apocalyptic world of Sared Heart.
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Pharmaskittle posted:I prefer it when it's like 28 Days Later or this show, where it's, "ehhhh, some scientist somewhere probably knows, but we're busy eating cans of spam so, in practice, who cares." I know this is an irrational complaint, but literal magic zombies makes me throw my hands up and wonder if we're gonna see the characters run into a dracula or wolfmans next. Nah they'd never have Wolfmans because they're too easy to dispatch. Just kick 'em in the nards.
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