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I think regarding the whole character interaction issue, part of it is they decided to have the format specifically centre on various schools fighting against each other, rather than just anybody who wants to fight and has the skills turning up to do so. This creates a bit of an issue that, most of the time, this gives the writers an easy out for not having the characters interact - in that they go to different schools and thus aren't as likely to see each other - yet also establishing archetypal teams for rudimentary 'characters'. So we've got the swimming team, the rich academy team, the science club team, and so forth. It allows for an aversion to actual effort in developing things, whilst with BF, because the main tournament was a long ways off, for a number of the rivals to be relevant, they had to be introduced long before their proper fights came along, which meant finding reasons for the two sides to meet outside of a gunpla fight, which means actual interaction. The closest things we've gotten in Try are the St Odessa team - which has Gyanko's crush to justify the continued interaction - and Sakai, but he's not even allowed to be a proper rival until he jumps onto a team that we'll have likely never heard of before, realising that he's not gonna face Yuuma any other way. Which then leaves the question of next week. This is the first time that the team is facing an opponent it has a personal investment in beating, and two of three players on each team are thematically set to be proper opponents to each other - Suga against Sekai, and Sudo against Yuuma, albeit with Sudo acting as a proxy for Sakai. That unfortunately leaves Fumina as the one really lacking a particular rival, aside of simply facing off the opposing girl. Plus of course, even with set up, the show still has its time constraint versus triple the number of fighters from last season, so...
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Has anyone else noticed how powerful the Winning's head vulcans are compared to a 'normal' suit where they're just used for shooting down missiles or whatever.
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Nov 27, 2014 14:25
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Fumina is just that good. She should be the lead character and not sekai.
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Nov 27, 2014 14:47
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Luminaflare posted:Has anyone else noticed how powerful the Winning's head vulcans are compared to a 'normal' suit where they're just used for shooting down missiles or whatever. Smaller model = higher concentration of kill-power. That's why everyone should be using SD models.
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Nov 27, 2014 16:55
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Luminaflare posted:Has anyone else noticed how powerful the Winning's head vulcans are compared to a 'normal' suit where they're just used for shooting down missiles or whatever. It has a big head
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Nov 27, 2014 17:02
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Green Intern posted:Smaller model = higher concentration of kill-power. That's why everyone should be using SD models. Smaller caliber at a higher velocity, Ａｒｍｏｒ Ｐｉｅｒｃｉｎｇ Ｖｕｌｃａｎｓ ！ ！ ！
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Nov 27, 2014 17:31
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Green Intern posted:Smaller model = higher concentration of kill-power. That's why everyone should be using SD models. The final boss is someone who scratchbuilt a 1/200 Leo.
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Nov 27, 2014 18:59
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Astro Nut posted:I think regarding the whole character interaction issue, part of it is they decided to have the format specifically centre on various schools fighting against each other, rather than just anybody who wants to fight and has the skills turning up to do so. This creates a bit of an issue that, most of the time, this gives the writers an easy out for not having the characters interact - in that they go to different schools and thus aren't as likely to see each other - yet also establishing archetypal teams for rudimentary 'characters'. So we've got the swimming team, the rich academy team, the science club team, and so forth. It allows for an aversion to actual effort in developing things, whilst with BF, because the main tournament was a long ways off, for a number of the rivals to be relevant, they had to be introduced long before their proper fights came along, which meant finding reasons for the two sides to meet outside of a gunpla fight, which means actual interaction. The closest things we've gotten in Try are the St Odessa team - which has Gyanko's crush to justify the continued interaction - and Sakai, but he's not even allowed to be a proper rival until he jumps onto a team that we'll have likely never heard of before, realising that he's not gonna face Yuuma any other way. I think next week is going to definitively tell us if they can ever get a good team battle in instead of separate 1 on 1s. Even if it's just the qualifiers it's still the finals in a tournament that we've spent nearly a third of the show on. It's the best time to finally showcase Team Try actually working together to take out a difficult, hyped up team instead of just doing their own thing while Hoshino dispenses weapons. Perhaps they could even have a difficult fight to the finish, with only one of the six gunpla on the field surviving? There are a lot of ways they could handle that sort of situation to keep it really exciting. Aw who am I kidding the most likely outcome is they're gonna split up into those matchups for the reasons you gave and Sekai will win by pulling out yet another Jigen Haoh move.
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Nov 27, 2014 19:40
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Nah, Sekai is going to pull out the Build Burning's burning mode. The preview makes that super-obvious. I'm kind of curious to see how the Mega Shiki fight goes because as it stands, Yuuma is having a rival battle against a guy who he has literally never spoken to or interacted with who exists only as a proxy for his rival. Yet that same guy got a big showing against Gyanko last week which... only really Sekai and Fumina care about, but Sekai is almost certainly due to fight Kung-Fu Slegger instead. Maybe they actually will do team stuff so Sekai can fight both Kung-Fu Sleggar and the Mega-Shiki. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Nov 27, 2014 |
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Nov 27, 2014 19:42
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I'm kinda hoping that the fight is won by them pairing off but then swapping out their "obvious" rivals, e.g. Sekai trades out fighting Sleggar for punching pay2win in the face, Fumina out-coreboostering sleggar, and Yuuma shooting the victory. Cliche, yes, but it would be at least a slight concession to the idea of teamwork.
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ImpAtom posted:Nah, Sekai is going to pull out the Build Burning's burning mode. The preview makes that super-obvious. Yeah it's a weird matchup since regardless of who's up against the girl, there's not much of a reason for either of them. Sleggar has been built up as an opponent for Sekai and that was handled decently enough but I figure their plan for that is "well, we obviously gotta have the two girls fight each other". Maybe we'll get some pre-battle scenes with the two teams interacting, that could actually be something to go on. I am still holding out for teamwork finally happening even though I should really know better at this point. mr. stefan posted:I'm kinda hoping that the fight is won by them pairing off but then swapping out their "obvious" rivals, e.g. Sekai trades out fighting Sleggar for punching pay2win in the face, Fumina out-coreboostering sleggar, and Yuuma shooting the victory. Cliche, yes, but it would be at least a slight concession to the idea of teamwork. Hell, I'd be down with that.
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Srice posted:Yeah it's a weird matchup since regardless of who's up against the girl, there's not much of a reason for either of them. Sleggar has been built up as an opponent for Sekai and that was handled decently enough but I figure their plan for that is "well, we obviously gotta have the two girls fight each other". Maybe we'll get some pre-battle scenes with the two teams interacting, that could actually be something to go on. But the Winning Knuckle IS teamwork! They've been doing teamwork all along. 
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Yrah sadly the most teamwork we're probably going to get is basically the others holding someone else so Sekai can punch them, but with fire this time. I wonder if Sekai is popular in Japan or if they find him boring, too.
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chumbler posted:Yrah sadly the most teamwork we're probably going to get is basically the others holding someone else so Sekai can punch them, but with fire this time. Fumina seems the popular one in Japan but that may just be Creepos skewing the numbers.
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everythingWasBees posted:But the Winning Knuckle IS teamwork! They've been doing teamwork all along. Still lol'ing at the line about how it forces them to work together.
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The problem with winning road is why doesn't Fumina just build an extra pair of legs and an extra torso and pre-equip the Lightning and Burning Gundam with them before the match starts?
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Galaga Galaxian posted:The problem with winning road is why doesn't Fumina just build an extra pair of legs and an extra torso and pre-equip the Lightning and Burning Gundam with them before the match starts? There's basically no excuse for it. You can argue for the Lightning maybe that it could interfere with the Lightning's transformation but the Winning Knuckle basically should be a 24/7 equip on Sekai. Absorb Shield was kind of a great example of why that thing shouldn't be a long-term winning strategy. Once you know the trick it's actually a big disadvantage, not an advantage. You can just shoot down the parts. (In fact the EZ-8 guys did that! Yuuma only got one of the Lightning's guns in the debut of Winning Road.) You could have argued that maybe Fumina needed to charge particles or something but she used it right away last episode so... v  v
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Maybe they'll pull a Destiny and switch protagonists back to Rei halfway through to save the show.
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I hope they lose the next fight (in a close match or something to look good blabla) and the top 4 go on. that keeps Gyanco in and would serve some plot better.
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Zedd posted:I hope they lose the next fight (in a close match or something to look good blabla) and the top 4 go on. If that was the case, why wasn't the other team Try Fighters faced more important than some no-name mobile armor group? Honestly I have no idea what they've got planned.
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They're going to win the fight and the next arc is going to involve whatever wacky bullshit Allen is up to.
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ImpAtom posted:whatever wacky bullshit Allen is up to. My hope is that we'll get a Sleggar Two 
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Then we'll get the best version, Sleggar-12, but he'll die pointlessly anyways. 
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ImpAtom posted:They're going to win the fight and the next arc is going to involve whatever wacky bullshit Allen is up to. I just hope that we don't get an explanation for Ral with this next arc. One thing I really enjoyed about the first season is that they never said if he was actually Ramba Ral or just a guy that looks and acts like him.
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Srice posted:I just hope that we don't get an explanation for Ral with this next arc. One thing I really enjoyed about the first season is that they never said if he was actually Ramba Ral or just a guy that looks and acts like him. ... Aw man, I never thought of that. I really hope they don't try to shoehorn in some Genetic Super Soldier Gundam Clone plotline or something for him. It was way funnier when all the Gundam cameos were just silly cameos.
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Raxivace posted:Then we'll get the best version, Sleggar-12, but he'll die pointlessly anyways. He chooses to go by Marvin Cruise, don't clone-shame. 
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Nov 27, 2014 20:56
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If the plot is that they're literally producing Char clones I might be able to forgive everything.
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Nov 27, 2014 21:06
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It ends with Allan yelling about how Tastsuya could have been a father to him before exploding.
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chumbler posted:If the plot is that they're literally producing Char clones I might be able to forgive everything. Headgear camouflaged as shades that make you channel a Gundam character. Cue very strange interactions outside of battle.
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I wish this show had more Gundam in jokes like the last season did. I loved when a Sleggar lookalike showed up just like the actual Sleggar did, but now that seems like it could go weird. I miss moments like when Sei got hypnotized and started reciting Gundam scenes.
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ImpAtom posted:There's basically no excuse for it. You can argue for the Lightning maybe that it could interfere with the Lightning's transformation but the Winning Knuckle basically should be a 24/7 equip on Sekai. As absolutely ludicrous as it sounds, it would have almost have been better if the Winning Knuckle/Launcher involved the whole Winning transforming and docking with the other team members and her having to handle plavsky flow or something, because at least that would have made a lot more sense then Fumina arbitrarily deciding to cripple herself to power up her teammates with parts they could just have built onto the units outside of combat without the risk of them being shot down or Fumina herself being left at a huge disadvantage. The Winning is a cool design but there seriously feels like there's no point in her having it instead of just bolting the Winning parts onto the other suits and sticking with the Cardigan.
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You know, I think episode 12 of BF had more teamwork than in all of Try so far. That's kind of sad. Speaking of that episode, I love how Allan just walks out of the room in a huff when he hears the chairman doesn't know what a Zaku II is. EDIT: I'm just straight up rewatching BF now, and it's kind of weird. BF Try has bumped up Gunpla as a much more serious thing in the world, yet at the same time it's nowhere near as all-encompassing as it was in BF. No gunpla loan sharks, no gunpla baseball, no gunpla mafia, no gunpla detectives, not even secret gunpla scientists. Takes a lot of the fun right out of this. BlitzBlast fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Nov 28, 2014 |
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The Mega Shiki was kind of cool, but the "Ima snipe you from our spawn with a mega rider lazer strapped to my back" scene was truly awful. There wasn't even any bracketing involved. I realized it was all done for the sake of plot and it would be obvious what Gyanko's fate would be, still - the whole thing felt really rushed. Sleggar MK II's Kung Fu Core Fighter is an abomination and I can't wait for him to kamikaze it.
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Srice posted:I just hope that we don't get an explanation for Ral with this next arc. One thing I really enjoyed about the first season is that they never said if he was actually Ramba Ral or just a guy that looks and acts like him. I never want them to explain why Ramba Ral just keeps showing up. Just wandering onto a school campus trying to get people to collect gunpla.
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BlitzBlast posted:I'm just straight up rewatching BF now, and it's kind of weird. Bandai has bumped up BF Try as a much more serious thing in the revenue projections, yet at the same time it's nowhere near as light-hearted as it was in BF. No gunpla loan sharks, no gunpla baseball, no gunpla mafia, no gunpla detectives, not even secret gunpla scientists. Takes a lot of the fun right out of this. Fixed that for you.
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What do you reckon the real reason the writers won't go near the first-season characters is so Sunrise can't make them worse in hindsight?
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Episode literally opens with a Gundam nerd having a Gundam fantasy featuring female Gundam cast members and ends with a hilariously melodramatic "death scene" for one of the side-characters, on top of straight-up having a character who people refer to as "Sleggar" and pilots a freakin' G-Armor. But, no, this series isn't light-hearted enough and doesn't have enough Gundam references.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:What do you reckon the real reason the writers won't go near the first-season characters is so Sunrise can't make them worse in hindsight? I honestly think it'd be hard to ruin the first season's cast since they went with the tried and true sports anime method of having a diverse variety of fairly simple characters. As long as they remember the basics of the characters I can't see them slipping up much if at all. We'll probably see some of them down the line (At the very least Sei will probably show up at some point) and while it's certainly not impossible, I would be surprised if they were made significantly worse. Unlike SEED Destiny, I think they do want to have the new cast be the characters that drive the show. And considering the target audience it's definitely for the best to make it accessible without having seen the first season.
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I really dont' see how anyone can not see this show is lighthearted. We had a swim team get beaten because they didn't plan for ice (while wearing swimsuits to the match no less). I keep failing to see the "serious" side people are talking about, except for maybe last episode with the sick kid. It's still a goofy show people.
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Mecha Gojira posted:Episode literally opens with a Gundam nerd having a Gundam fantasy featuring female Gundam cast members and ends with a hilariously melodramatic "death scene" for one of the side-characters, on top of straight-up having a character who people refer to as "Sleggar" and pilots a freakin' G-Armor. A lot of the charm that the original BF had was how loving unrealistic it was. Like what are the odds that the Italian champ would be in a rinky dink gunpla bar in the middle of loving nowhere. Newtype princes? Gunpla mafia? Gundpla interpol? Gunpla Hitmen? BFT is still silly, but its still mostly grounded in reality. Whereas the original BF went hogwild with its insanity. e-Honestly, I dont mind either of the directions when they go with the general mood. Its still silly fun, just not silly insane fun.
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