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oddium posted:Let the record show, by the way, that I Love Star Wars. It's dumb and magical and earnest and I love the beat-up ships and the droids and the imagery and Stars and the Wars Ditto, this time next year I will be paying $15 to go see a Star War and given what JJ did in Star Trek 2009 I think Ill come out at least somewhat smiley.
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Pook Good Mook posted:The worst to me is still Han shooting second. I mean I hate what it does to change the character and how crappily implemented it is obviously. Does this make Lucas MORE evil, or merely a DIFFERENT KIND of evil?
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Nov 30, 2014 23:51
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Man, where's Koos when you need him?
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Nov 30, 2014 23:52
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Here's my internet Prequels confession: I actually defended Jar Jar Binks to my dad. I even made an argument for how Jar Jar could get his pants on. This is how much I needed to defend that crap pile. And god drat it, it was worth every minute. I now think they should have just CG'd Roger Rabbit into the movie and called it a day. Love Rat fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Nov 30, 2014 |
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Nov 30, 2014 23:52
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I dislike the style of Jar Jar's slapstick. He seems too aware of the camera.
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Nessus posted:What I've heard is that the reason for that Han edit was purely commercial - PG was a lot less restrictive in the 1970s than it was in the '90s, and apparently Han shooting first would've made the re-release PG-13 in the 90s. If true it just reinforces what everyone really knows in the first place, the MPAA ratings are an absolute waste of time and hurt good movies more than it punishes bad ones. Though to play devil's advocate, Lucas didn't have a problem making Ep. III PG-13, so why the worry with Ep. IV? It's not like it was a question of how much money they'd make. It's not like people don't know what they're getting when they take their kids to a movie every parent has already seen before. That said, at least with Ep. III he may have been consciously making a thematic choice there and just couldn't think of anything to cut that wouldn't hurt the movie's message.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:56
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 Pictured: George Lucas ruining Star Wars ca. 1976
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This guy sperged so hard, I sensed a disturbance in the force. http://imgur.com/gallery/zMEq4
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Put simply, by the same standards that the prequels are awful and meaningless, so are the original films. If the Imperial "grey death-pits and catwalks" look is meaningless in Phantom Menace, then it is meaningless in Empire Strikes Back. This notion reached a bizarre extreme when people with no idea how editing works began asserting that Star Wars has always been insanely bad - until Marcia Lucas heroically 'edited out all the worst stuff', leaving a lovely but distractingly snappily-edited film. That's a bit closer to the truth, but the reality is there isn't a humongous difference between the prequels and the original films because Star Wars as a whole has always been pretty good. A New Hope is pretty good, and so's Attack Of The Clones. There isn't a huge gulf in quality or in content. One was simply made in 2002, dealing with desert invasions and CGI, while the other was made in 1977 and deals with Vietnam and Marshall McLuhan. Star Wars is simply a series of movies, and has always been. It had no mystical power.
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Dec 1, 2014 00:04
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The problem is the kids grew up but don't think their sensiblities do. They nostalgically hang on to the original trilogy but now that they can see the flaws in the prequel they also hate the fact it is catered to kids too. That's why they hate RotJ. "Ewoks beat the empire? Not in my saga of space knights fighting space wizards in space ships in space with robots! I can't take cartoonish comedy Jar Jar seriously...unlike Yoda."
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Pook Good Mook posted:If true it just reinforces what everyone really knows in the first place, the MPAA ratings are an absolute waste of time and hurt good movies more than it punishes bad ones. There was roughly a decade between those two decisions; back in the 90s you had to get G ratings for your animated films and when ROTS came out you had Pixar films being rated PG.
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My main problem is that if I want to go back and watch the prequels to see half the poo poo you always mention I have to get through the horrifying acting and even in 2014 I simply cannot stand listening to one word Hayden Christensen says without wincing and immediately wanting to turn it off. Even the short clips posted in this thread are intolerable. Also I have zero problems with the Empire special edition. I can't think of one thing they did to make it worse and the effects they added look good.
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Spaceman Future! posted:Id love just to see a nice cleaned up release of the original cut. Hello.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Put simply, by the same standards that the prequels are awful and meaningless, so are the original films. If the Imperial "grey death-pits and catwalks" look is meaningless in Phantom Menace, then it is meaningless in Empire Strikes Back. Have you ever considered you just have extremely lovely taste my man.
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kiimo posted:Also I have zero problems with the Empire special edition. I can't think of one thing they did to make it worse and the effects they added look good. A couple of spoken lines were changed for no discernible reason, which bugs me. Luke to R2: "You're lucky you don't taste very good." changed to "You were lucky to get out of there." Not a big deal, but still a change for the worse, I think. We lose a tiny bit of humor and also a sort-of-explanation for why the whatever-it-was under the water spat him out. Vader to no one in particular: "Bring my shuttle." became "Inform my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival." Also a change for the worse. The original line makes him sound royally pissed off; the new one a lot less so. But overall, you're absolutely right, Empire was by far the least-butchered of the Special Editions.
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I might be crazy but I'm pretty sure the "you're lucky you don't taste very good" was changed for the home video before the special edition thing happened. I was entirely confused by it while watching on VHS.
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Dec 1, 2014 00:32
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TheNakedFantastic posted:Have you ever considered you just have extremely lovely taste my man.
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Dec 1, 2014 00:33
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kiimo posted:Also I have zero problems with the Empire special edition. I can't think of one thing they did to make it worse and the effects they added look good.
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Dec 1, 2014 00:34
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kiimo posted:Also I have zero problems with the Empire special edition. I can't think of one thing they did to make it worse and the effects they added look good. http://youtu.be/lNCB4PPia0w?t=12s I mean what the gently caress is this. It's been taken out of the newer versions but christ.
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Nessus posted:Why, for saying Star Wars movies are pretty good? Well, in particular saying clone wars is a pretty good movie.
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Timeless Appeal posted:I think they've since edited it out, but Empire included one of the most obnoxious changes at some point. Luke screamed when he jumped. it completely undercut his heroism and decision to rather leap into the unknown than join the dark side. No way, is there a confirmation of this somewhere?
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Nessus posted:Why, for saying Star Wars movies are pretty good? Did he say "all"? Basic logical errors are flying around like blaster fire around here. If A=the prequels and B=the original films, then thinking A is poo poo =/= B is poo poo. We're dealing with two sets. Disliking a subset of Star Wars films does not mean disliking the entire series. Love Rat fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Dec 1, 2014 |
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Someone should make a list of the most offensive changes. That scream is not nearly as bad as the Krayt Dragon scream. But is that worse than "NOOOOOO"? I'm not sure. I wouldn't even put Greedo shooting first #1 personally, that has to be the unforgivable jazz song in Jedi.
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kiimo posted:I might be crazy but I'm pretty sure the "you're lucky you don't taste very good" was changed for the home video before the special edition thing happened. I was entirely confused by it while watching on VHS. Could be. The VHSes are what I grew up with. I did see Empire once in the theater, and since I would have been about four years old, it's probably one of my earlier memories. I faintly recall being terrified during the bit where the AT-AT is about to step on Luke. 
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kiimo posted:Someone should make a list of the most offensive changes. That scream is not nearly as bad as the Krayt Dragon scream. But is that worse than "NOOOOOO"? I'm not sure. I wouldn't even put Greedo shooting first #1 personally, that has to be the unforgivable jazz song in Jedi. I agree. The new music in Jedi is definitely the worst offender.
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Love Rat posted:Why is every argument so disingenuous on here? Did he say "all"? Basic logical errors are flying around like blaster fire around here. Considering the consensus of ROTJ is roughly equivalent to ROTS, you're dealing with a majority of the series.
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I think I'd put Jabba being in IV #2, solely for the stepping on the tail part. Has to be the worst effect in the series. It's laughably bad.
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Love Rat posted:I agree. The new music in Jedi is definitely the worst offender. The funny thing is that the song was in there when I first saw the film. I was about 7 at the time and it was awesome. When I eventually bought the OT set the scene felt weird without it. To this day I still kinda like the song. Not enough that it should have been in the film but...
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kiimo posted:Someone should make a list of the most offensive changes. That scream is not nearly as bad as the Krayt Dragon scream. But is that worse than "NOOOOOO"? I'm not sure. I wouldn't even put Greedo shooting first #1 personally, that has to be the unforgivable jazz song in Jedi. Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Put simply, by the same standards that the prequels are awful and meaningless, so are the original films. If the Imperial "grey death-pits and catwalks" look is meaningless in Phantom Menace, then it is meaningless in Empire Strikes Back. why do you hate Star Wars so much man  just go with the flow
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HIJK posted:why do you hate Star Wars so much man I dare say SuperMechaGodzilla likes Star Wars movies more than y'all. You might feel his taste is poor but the numbers don't lie.
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Me though, I love star wars.
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Powered Descent posted:Could be. The VHSes are what I grew up with. I saw Empire at home as a kid at a family friend's, with a Empire Strikes Back artbook that had a bunch of cool little drawings and concept art and things, and pizza. That's why it's my favorite, honestly. A New Hope is a close second. RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Dec 1, 2014 |
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Dec 1, 2014 00:53
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I would marry Star Wars I like it so much.
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Nessus posted:I dunno man, he's saying he thinks all the movies are pretty good, and I contrast this with 'the first two were good, if ruined by revisions later; the third one was kind of bad; the next two were total garbage, and the sixth one was MAYBE as good as the third one'. it's another Star Wars hater! jesus they're everywhere, how did it come to this!
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Put simply, by the same standards that the prequels are awful and meaningless, so are the original films. If the Imperial "grey death-pits and catwalks" look is meaningless in Phantom Menace, then it is meaningless in Empire Strikes Back. 
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quote:It had no mystical power. As opposed to other films.
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kiimo posted:Someone should make a list of the most offensive changes. That scream is not nearly as bad as the Krayt Dragon scream. But is that worse than "NOOOOOO"? I'm not sure. I wouldn't even put Greedo shooting first #1 personally, that has to be the unforgivable jazz song in Jedi. jabbas big door
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Return of the Jedi was sooo good.
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When Kirk is dying and Spock yells "CAAAAN (sp ??)" instead of Spock dying and Kirk yelling. I literally got up in the theater but then a mom yelled so I sat back down. #starwars #mychildhood #IveGotABadFeelingAboutThis
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