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Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


inklesspen posted:

Does it fix the stupid bits of ADRP (such as, fixed starting point count, then an auction for stats (relative pricing) then fixed pricing for all the character benefits)?

No but they at least reduced the point cost for core abilities to something manageable, instead of ADRPG's all your points style if you wanted to be able to actually travel between worlds.

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Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

DriveThruRPG is having a Black Friday sale.

Spincut
Jan 14, 2008

Oh! OSHA gonna make you serve time!
'Cause you an occupational hazard tonight.

13th Age core book and Fantasy Craft for $5 each is pretty dang good.

ibntumart
Mar 18, 2007

Good, bad. I'm the one with the power of Shu, Heru, Amon, Zehuti, Aton, and Mehen.
College Slice

Kwyndig posted:

No but they at least reduced the point cost for core abilities to something manageable, instead of ADRPG's all your points style if you wanted to be able to actually travel between worlds.

I'm a bit surprised they didn't just put in partial powers. Half the people who used to run ADRPG seemed to do that.

ibntumart fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Nov 29, 2014

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

So, since 13th Age is 5 bucks right now, how easy is it to, say, write a different set of Icons to make it fit a different kind of implied setting? Will help me decide if I should buy it or not; I've been looking for something to replace Pathfinder so I can get back to running the game I was running there without having to actually use Pathfinder ever again.

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

Night10194 posted:

So, since 13th Age is 5 bucks right now, how easy is it to, say, write a different set of Icons to make it fit a different kind of implied setting? Will help me decide if I should buy it or not; I've been looking for something to replace Pathfinder so I can get back to running the game I was running there without having to actually use Pathfinder ever again.

It's literally no more difficult than writing different names down and explaining how they fit into the world.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Ah, good. I was worried they'd have a ton of mechanical weight behind them or something. That's good to see.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

Night10194 posted:

Ah, good. I was worried they'd have a ton of mechanical weight behind them or something. That's good to see.

Nope, Icons have no stats because they're not there to be killed by PCs.

EscortMission
Mar 4, 2009

Come with me
if you want to live.
My players were not heartbroken when I got rid of Icons for a Ravnica game and put in the 10 Ravnica guilds as "Factions" instead.

Wish that game would've gone on just a liiiiittle longer.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
The Strange also seems to be up for $5. Worth it?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Well, flipping through 13th Age, this definitely looks worth 5 bucks.

Spincut
Jan 14, 2008

Oh! OSHA gonna make you serve time!
'Cause you an occupational hazard tonight.

Night10194 posted:

Well, flipping through 13th Age, this definitely looks worth 5 bucks.

I preordered it for $50 and it was worth every penny. It's a really good system (with some flaws).

inklesspen
Oct 17, 2007

Here I am coming, with the good news of me, and you hate it. You can think only of the bell and how much I have it, and you are never the goose. I will run around with my bell as much as I want and you will make despair.
Buglord

Covok posted:

The Strange also seems to be up for $5. Worth it?

It's a poorly done rendition of "every fictional story is a real universe out there somewhere" using the system from Numenera, which was covered in the Fatal and Friends thread:

Tulul posted:

the rules take a fumbling stab at elegance and end up putting a hole in their own foot

One of my particular favorite missteps from The Strange is they have a notion of a big bad called a "planetovore". They can eat whole realities, a villain is plotting to become one, the rogue-alike is defined as being able to "mislead a world-devouring planetovore". Battling a planetovore is explicitly listed in the range of player abilities. There's even an entry on the "Alienation" (read SAN) table for encountering one. Basically, that's your endgame hook, right? Guess how much guidance there is on building this endgame boss for your players to fight? None. Not even a list of warning signs that a worldeater is infiltrating your universe.

My advice: Take the basic concept and reimplement it in the system of your choice. It'll work just as well as the this version would, and probably better.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Spincut posted:

I preordered it for $50 and it was worth every penny. It's a really good system (with some flaws).

What are the flaws?

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



If you've been playing Pathfinder, you probably won't notice them.

The expansion classes needed a little more time in the oven, rolling random ability scores can screw you deeper than you'd expect, and one or two rules appear to be in different draft states. And ability scores exist, which is a Big Deal to this forum. I imagine it's stuff that Tweet left in to appease / placate D20 players. For example, the Monk was intentionally blunted to preserve it's D&D heritage or some poo poo. At one stage of playtesting, Fighters had less background points (backgrounds replace skills) making them less interesting characters because that's how it worked in 3x has always been. (Thankfully that got removed, but I think it's still in an optional sidebar. An option to make your players have boring characters who do less.) It was written in the shadow of the edition wars, and there's a few places where it shows.

The upside is that you can actually get people to give it a try, so I guess those concessions paid off. If the book's $5, buy it. I bought the $50 hardcover, and I love it.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Yeah, that's about the impression I've been getting. Also, the stuff in here will be way easier to refluff to the 18th century than the stuff in Pathfinder was. I'd recommend this as a good buy, too, I think, if only to see what 5th edition could've been.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

inklesspen posted:

It's a poorly done rendition of "every fictional story is a real universe out there somewhere" using the system from Numenera, which was covered in the Fatal and Friends thread:
So, not exactly $5 worthy, then? Disappointing.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

That's disappointing; it sounded kind of Torg-ish but the system sounds like it's pretty bad. It seems like it'd be something you could just build in Fate in like twenty minutes.

Spincut
Jan 14, 2008

Oh! OSHA gonna make you serve time!
'Cause you an occupational hazard tonight.

PerniciousKnid posted:

What are the flaws?

Basically what moths said. It's a little too married to its D&D heritage for its own good, basically.

inklesspen
Oct 17, 2007

Here I am coming, with the good news of me, and you hate it. You can think only of the bell and how much I have it, and you are never the goose. I will run around with my bell as much as I want and you will make despair.
Buglord

Covok posted:

So, not exactly $5 worthy, then? Disappointing.

I'd pay $2 for it, I suppose.

Here is one more example: The US government operates a black budget agency for dealing with the alternate universes (termed 'recursions', for no obvious reason) that "neighbor" ours. They are positioned as possible antagonists to the players, who work for a competing agency. This agency's name has the acronym OSR. Based solely on this, I invite you to come up with a name for the agency; you are almost certain to come up with a better one than they did. For example, when I ran across the (as yet undefined) OSR acronym, my first idea was "Office of Special Reconnaissance".

Bruce Cordell's genius name? The Office of Strategic Recursion.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

inklesspen posted:

I'd pay $2 for it, I suppose.

Here is one more example: The US government operates a black budget agency for dealing with the alternate universes (termed 'recursions', for no obvious reason) that "neighbor" ours. They are positioned as possible antagonists to the players, who work for a competing agency. This agency's name has the acronym OSR. Based solely on this, I invite you to come up with a name for the agency; you are almost certain to come up with a better one than they did. For example, when I ran across the (as yet undefined) OSR acronym, my first idea was "Office of Special Reconnaissance".

Office of Spacial Reprobates? (used in the Calvinistic way)

Office of Sabotage and Retaliation?

Office of Saving Reality?

Office of Salvation and Revelation?

Office of Samurai Racketeering?

inklesspen posted:

The Office of Strategic Recursion

Oh...

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

Office of Sidereal Research.

Seriously, not that hard.

Libertad!
Oct 30, 2013

You can have the last word, but I'll have the last laugh!
The Office of Scholarly Revivals.

Glorified Scrivener
May 4, 2007

His tongue it could not speak, but only flatter.
Amazon is offering the code HOLIDAY30 until 11:59pm PST, good for 30% off a single book, up to $10 off. I used mine to snag a rule book I'd been wanting for a while, thought you good folks might be inclined to do the same.

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer

Evil Mastermind posted:

That's disappointing; it sounded kind of Torg-ish but the system sounds like it's pretty bad. It seems like it'd be something you could just build in Fate in like twenty minutes.

That was my thought when a friend linked it to me a while back. Numenera's a poo poo system to start with, and the fluff they offer up on DTRPG as a dubious hook is so loving generic you could come up with something better with a modicum of effort.

Spincut posted:

Basically what moths said. It's a little too married to its D&D heritage for its own good, basically.

13th Age? I'm not sure how two men with such different opinions about D&D managed to write an interesting new game based on it, and managed not to kill each other, but there you go. Their strongest disagreements are frankly noted in sidebars with optional rule swaps, which I appreciate even if some of those rules are gently caress-awfully wrongheaded.

My big complaint about 13A, aside from the fact that a couple of the classes really just stink, is the horrible, stupid, awful loving layout. Trying to make a character, I found myself flipping and flopping like a politician impersonating a drowning fish, because some things are here, and some are two chapters back, and other things you need to consider are fifty pages ahead. Honestly, I think it was worse than the 3x Player's Handbooks in that regard.

Really like the game besides that, though. There are some really nice ideas in there and the setting is intriguing. It's definitely worth more than just a few bucks for the PDF.

clockworkjoe
May 31, 2000

Rolled a 1 on the random encounter table, didn't you?
There's a ton of One Roll Engine RPGs on sale at Arcdream.com right now - for $5 you can get Monsters and Other Childish Things, Reign, and a ton of supplements for Wild Talents, Godlike, and more! http://arcdream.com/home/2014/11/one-roll-engine-cyber-monday-sale-save-these-books-from-doom/

Kellsterik
Mar 30, 2012
And these are physical books? This is pretty much the deal i've been waiting for!

Alien Rope Burn
Dec 5, 2004

I wanna be a saikyo HERO!
Bear in mind shipping is going to run about $2 per book and there are no alternate options for that, but it's still a fantastic deal for some great books. :thumbsup:

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

If you don't already have them, getting Monsters and Other Childish Things, Bigger Bads, and Candlewick Manor for $15 is a loving steal.

Meanwhile, DriveThru's CyberMonday sale is going on. The headliners aren't that impressive, but there's still a bunch of other stuff on sale.

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

clockworkjoe posted:

There's a ton of One Roll Engine RPGs on sale at Arcdream.com right now - for $5 you can get Monsters and Other Childish Things, Reign, and a ton of supplements for Wild Talents, Godlike, and more! http://arcdream.com/home/2014/11/one-roll-engine-cyber-monday-sale-save-these-books-from-doom/

BUY PROGENITOR

LaSquida
Nov 1, 2012

Just keep on walkin'.

clockworkjoe posted:

There's a ton of One Roll Engine RPGs on sale at Arcdream.com right now - for $5 you can get Monsters and Other Childish Things, Reign, and a ton of supplements for Wild Talents, Godlike, and more! http://arcdream.com/home/2014/11/one-roll-engine-cyber-monday-sale-save-these-books-from-doom/

BUY GRIM WAR.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

Swagger Dagger posted:

BUY PROGENITOR

Yes, this.

Alien Rope Burn
Dec 5, 2004

I wanna be a saikyo HERO!
I ordered everything for Wild Talents + Reign, now time to mash it all up.

Crisis on Infinite Stolze.

ibntumart
Mar 18, 2007

Good, bad. I'm the one with the power of Shu, Heru, Amon, Zehuti, Aton, and Mehen.
College Slice

clockworkjoe posted:

There's a ton of One Roll Engine RPGs on sale at Arcdream.com right now - for $5 you can get Monsters and Other Childish Things, Reign, and a ton of supplements for Wild Talents, Godlike, and more! http://arcdream.com/home/2014/11/one-roll-engine-cyber-monday-sale-save-these-books-from-doom/

Dammit, I didn't need any more superhero RPGs... but $5 for all the Wild Talents books was too good. Superhero RPGs are my weakness.

Kemper Boyd
Aug 6, 2007

no kings, no gods, no masters but a comfy chair and no socks
I got Progenitor for free when it was free RPG day or something on DTRPG and it's good, totally worth five bucks.

ibntumart
Mar 18, 2007

Good, bad. I'm the one with the power of Shu, Heru, Amon, Zehuti, Aton, and Mehen.
College Slice
I enjoyed Rising Stars and thought Paragons was the coolest M&M supplement. I didn't even know Progenitor existed and am super psyched, especially after stumbling across Stolze's playtest sessions. Mnemonic douchery may be my favorite psionic superpower description now.

Darth Various
Oct 23, 2010

Bundle of Holding is running three deals at once:
Dungeon World
Runequest 6
Worldbuilder's Toolkit

I wanted to pick up Dungeon World anyway.

malkav11
Aug 7, 2009
Which made me realize that I did actually want the basic tier of the Indie Cornucopia +2, it was the higher tier I already owned in its entirety, and I forgot to get in on that action. Whoops. :(

Myrmidongs
Oct 26, 2010

Darth Various posted:

Bundle of Holding is running three deals at once:

Worldbuilder's Toolkit

I wanted to pick up Dungeon World anyway.

This is the second time they've run this particular one. I picked it up the first time around. Medieval Society and Red Tide were pretty interesting books if you need a bit of inspiration. The Kobold books are kinda eh. Tome of Adventure Design is more or less just a online word-generator in book form.

Masks and Eureka are loving fantastic. I cannot say enough good things about those two books.

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Can someone sell me on the Dungeon World books? I'm particularly interested if the new classes are any good.

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