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Valeyard posted:c#..java..whats the difference function objects and unmanaged code
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I'm confused why isn't software dev as real and as lovely a job as anything else? like some of you guys have some weird romanticized opinions about what code slinging should really be like. also some myopic views on exploitation.
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Dec 1, 2014 17:15
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rotor posted:function objects and unmanaged code dynamics, generics without type erasure, linq, .net runtime has better options for dynamic code, and so people can also use f# if they want. c# is java in hindsight
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Dec 1, 2014 17:18
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FamDav posted:I'm confused why isn't software dev as real and as lovely a job as anything else? I'm not sure what you mean by real but I've worked in warehouses and retail and print shops and assembly lines and I can safely say that being a programmer is cushy as hell. Maybe there are other jobs that are equally cushy, but I doubt they pay as well.
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Dec 1, 2014 17:19
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tef posted:dynamics, generics without type erasure, linq, .net runtime has better options for dynamic code, and so people can also use f# if they want. it's so great 
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Dec 1, 2014 17:20
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rotor posted:function objects and unmanaged code rotor posted:I'm not sure what you mean by real but I've worked in warehouses and retail and print shops and assembly lines and I can safely say that being a programmer is cushy as hell. Maybe there are other jobs that are equally cushy, but I doubt they pay as well. i dont know what the majority of this is, boy is this the right thread
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Dec 1, 2014 17:26
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valeyard hits another one out of the park
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Dec 1, 2014 17:28
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tef posted:gosh i hope you're not in charge of metrics or localization tef posted:are you paul graham because gosh your everyone elses life must be exactly like mine approach is spot on your life actually is a lot like mine. you are an english-speaking citizen of a first-world country working for a significant wage in the employ of a prosperous american firm. that's a really cushy setup experienced by millions of people
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Dec 1, 2014 17:32
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power botton posted:notorious bsd when you're called out for being a bitter small minded individual in like every thread you make more than few posts in do you think its just yospos being mean and poo poo posty or do you think that reflects upon yourself as a person why can't it be both
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Dec 1, 2014 17:33
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oh hey look software salary numbers from countries that aren't really fuckin wealthy http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/best-and-worst//highest-paid-software-engineers-countries these are the ratios of a software developer's pay to average workers' wages in each country Pakistan, 5.56 India, 3.91 South Africa, 3.64 Bulgaria, 3.28 China, 3.15 Ukraine, 2.96 Philippines, 2.69 Brazil, 2.46 Egypt, 2.19 Mexico, 2.04
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Dec 1, 2014 17:39
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tef posted:if they're going into a career of business logic middleware, sure, but we're talking hobby projects here c# is better for hobby projects cause it has the best ui + web frameworks.
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Dec 1, 2014 17:55
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Series DD Funding posted:using vim without any plugins makes you the retard guy from all those "if only there was a better way" infomercials *knocks over his popcorn*
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Dec 1, 2014 17:56
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Series DD Funding posted:using vim makes you the retard guy
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Dec 1, 2014 17:56
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also for web client stuff you should teach them DOM and jquery and knockout.js and stay away from javascript as much as possible.
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Dec 1, 2014 17:58
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:your life actually is a lot like mine. you are an english-speaking citizen of a first-world country working for a significant wage in the employ of a prosperous american firm. for three months I have managed to be in a job without requiring medical attention  (bearing in mind, i had a 90 day burnt out in previous company, working for a non profit before that, and heh, previous jobs were not so good. i've pretty much lucked out now but that doesn't change my employment history, bub)
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Dec 1, 2014 18:08
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:oh hey look software salary numbers from countries that aren't really fuckin wealthy you really do like missing the point, don't cha
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Dec 1, 2014 18:09
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tef posted:you really do like missing the point, don't cha do not engage with discount fishmech
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Dec 1, 2014 18:10
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"tech is full of toxic and exploitative assholes but actually it's pretty good pay if you're white, and from a socioeconomic background which can afford a computer like me" "HEY YOU KNOW IT"S PRETTY GOOD FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO ARE ALSO LIKE YOU"
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Dec 1, 2014 18:11
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things are bad elsewhere therefore no-one is allowed to speak out about problems that are different
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Dec 1, 2014 18:14
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tef posted:things are bad elsewhere therefore no-one is allowed to speak out about problems that are different there's a name for this arguing technique. it might be the "and you are lynching negroes" one
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Dec 1, 2014 18:51
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tef posted:for three months I have managed to be in a job without requiring medical attention that is a separate battle and i do not think it would be an easier fight if you worked in another field
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Dec 1, 2014 18:53
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hey i fixed my broken macbook should i try swift yet
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Dec 1, 2014 18:55
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tef posted:"tech is full of toxic and exploitative assholes but actually it's pretty good pay if you're white, and from a socioeconomic background which can afford a computer like me" it is indeed terrible that large swathes of the industry exclude people based on skin color and other ugly proxies for socioeconomic background that doesn't make tech workers into an exploited class working terrible jobs
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Dec 1, 2014 18:55
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Werthog 95 posted:hey i fixed my broken macbook should i try swift yet sure
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Dec 1, 2014 19:07
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does swift work on any good oses yet
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Dec 1, 2014 19:09
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Captain Foo posted:sure k
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Dec 1, 2014 19:19
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swift is pretty good imo, blows objective c out of the water.
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Dec 1, 2014 19:24
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Series DD Funding posted:does swift work on any good oses yet are there any good oses yet?
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Dec 1, 2014 19:50
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Zaxxon posted:are there any good oses yet? well, yours is a piece of poo poo lmao
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Dec 1, 2014 19:50
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Captain Foo posted:well, yours is a piece of poo poo lmao lol
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Dec 1, 2014 20:01
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it is indeed terrible that large swathes of the industry exclude people based on skin color and other ugly proxies for socioeconomic background i assume this means you've finished arguing with yourself because i'm pretty sure no-one said that. iirc, i said the industry was exploitative and the environment is toxic and hostile,
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Dec 1, 2014 20:06
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being a terrible programmer is awesome, it's being a good programmer that sucks
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Dec 1, 2014 20:32
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tef posted:for three months I have managed to be in a job without requiring medical attention do you have some underlying health issues or are you just really neurotic
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Dec 1, 2014 20:32
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seriously just sit back and watch your overstuffed paychecks come every 2 weeks
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Dec 1, 2014 20:40
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FamDav posted:do you have some underlying health issues or are you just really neurotic yes and yes
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Dec 1, 2014 21:04
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power botton posted:seriously just sit back and watch your overstuffed paychecks come every 2 weeks lol if you arent paid weekly
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Dec 1, 2014 21:14
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what, why
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Dec 1, 2014 21:23
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FamDav posted:do you have some underlying health issues or are you just really neurotic neurosis is a health issue
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tef posted:i assume this means you've finished arguing with yourself because i'm pretty sure no-one said that. iirc, i said the industry was exploitative and the environment is toxic and hostile, nevertheless this is about as good as it gets for regular workers capitalism: worse than serfdom. (serfs still have a right to a roof over their heads if they take sick, eh)
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qntm posted:what, why
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