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Matthew Beet posted:Pretty much. The whole culture of sports thing TOML has thrown up is just a distraction while he wages war on the working class. Pretty smart to pick an opponent too shiftless to fight back.
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Haters Objector posted:On cricket, for the last couple of summers the womens one dryers and T20s have been broadcast on commercial television (9 or Gem), either as curtain raisers to a men's game or just by themselves. They're done with all the same commentary, cameras, technology and production values that the men's game receives. They've started getting some of the women cricketers on to commentate on the men's games to increase their profile, and several women cricketers (Lanning, Healy, Perry etc) have quite good name recognition amongst the public. On the subject of women cricketers with name recognition, a while back I learnt that there's a woman out there who has represented Australia, internationally, in both cricket and soccer. That blows my mind. And I guarantee you, if she were a bloke, I'd have known her name. A guy who did something like that would be worshipped as a national loving hero.
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Bifauxnen posted:Just in case any of you guys were feeling bummed out thinking the latest discussions were totally pointless, you've just inspired me to add "WATCH WOMEN'S SPORTS" to the list I'm making of stuff I want to make sure I get around to teaching my kid. Lego! Genderless smiley faces!
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Endman posted:Parents who don't buy their children Lego are bad parents. LEGO Friends needs to be taken out the back and shot.
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Gough Suppressant posted:I'd say the hockeyroos are higher profile than the women's cricket team at a guess, maybe the Matilda's as well? Endman posted:I don't have the ABS statistics on hand, but if I recall correctly, netball is still the biggest sport for female participation in the country. I know there are some utterly phenomenal female cricket and soccer players, but I can't name any of them.
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Mithranderp posted:LEGO Friends needs to be taken out the back and shot. Speaking of, it was hilarious how cross some nerds got over that Lego IDEAS set that came out recently that features a bunch of science researchers and their associated equipment and they were all women. e: picture 
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I'd like to take a small break from reading these interesting posts about Australia's attitude towards women in sport and say: gently caress you open24hours
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Endman posted:Speaking of, it was hilarious how cross some nerds got over that Lego IDEAS set that came out recently that features a bunch of science researchers and their associated equipment and they were all women. But- but you can't just go and make them ALL women on purpose, that's just making things artificially lopsided to make a political point! (although everything that has only men appearing in it is just fine, because of reasons)
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Nibbles! posted:Didn't the Pyne stuff come off the back of Cory Bernardi talking about someone in the Liberal party been gay? It was some interview and he spoke about the same person been a career politician, ending up with the Libs out of convenience. Well they're definitely his kids: 
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Sport is just a vehicle for gambling/drinking advertisements and is funded by those industries. We'd be better off if we scrapped the whole thing, to be honest. Or at least, scrap the huge sponsorship deals by companies that have an adverse societal effect.
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bell jar posted:Sport is just a vehicle for gambling/drinking advertisements and is funded by those industries. We'd be better off if we scrapped the whole thing, to be honest. T-1000 fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Gough Suppressant posted:This assumes that politicians actually want a better class of politic in the country which is not something I believe. There is definitely an element of that, but I don't think it's the whole story. In my experience, it appeared that they thought the smart kids wouldn't need it and the dumb kids couldn't use it. Then I go to uni and a whole class never read the Constitution, and it was a wakeup call. And there's a mass of convention that we rarely even engage with (and the media is especially at fault for this because its their freaking job), and on top of all that there's the politicians obsession with action. Or more accurately their desire to be associated with the right action. Whether politicians care or not about the level of politic is far beside the point when they can't even get simple things done because the system keeps throwing up procedural roadblocks. I would have thought that in itself is a problem but they can't see it either. They're chasing the next soundbite, the next ribbon-cutting, the next event. Where the culture solidifies is behind them, in the branches, and unfortunately now with advisors and lobbyists. Those guys care even less.
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Id like the right to sport written into the constitution, and for female only sports to get a higher quota of airtime. Instead of a doco on underwater basket weaving we could watch the w league etc on abc, sbs.
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Endman posted:Speaking of, it was hilarious how cross some nerds got over that Lego IDEAS set that came out recently that features a bunch of science researchers and their associated equipment and they were all women. poo poo, now I want to do SCIENCE with a flask of green, a dinosaur skeleton and a syringe the size of my torso.
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BCR posted:Id like the right to sport written into the constitution, and for female only sports to get a higher quota of airtime. Instead of a doco on underwater basket weaving we could watch the w league etc on abc, sbs. The biggest impact on sports from the ABC cuts has been women's sports (Basketball and Soccer)
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Those On My Left posted:I'd like to take a small break from reading these interesting posts about Australia's attitude towards women in sport and say: Classic TOML.
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Those On My Left posted:This is a great story. That's Elise Perry. She had the spine to say "gently caress off" to a bunch of people who tried to pressure her into focusing on one sport, and then backed it up by kicking goals in the soccer, and taking important wickets in the recent series vs the West Indies.
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Shadeoses posted:poo poo, now I want to do SCIENCE with a flask of green, a dinosaur skeleton and a syringe the size of my torso. New from LEGO: My first Meth Lab!
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Those On My Left posted:This is a great story. I thought everybody knew about Ellyse Perry? For years now I feel like she's consistently been mentioned absolutely everywhere, and she's also been on television a whole bunch because womens T20 games are televised before the mens, though they're on the GEM channel I think. Perry also seems like she very deliberately tries to keep a low profile, I don't think she has any social media accounts or anything. Anytime the mens commentators have to reference a womens player it's usually been Perry because she's basically been the only name anybody has known until recently. There was also a womens cricketer, Holly Ferling, who won the world cup for Australia before she finished her HSC. Womens sport seems to be filled with lots of cool stories and it's a shame most people never get to hear about them. 
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Frogmanv2 posted:That's Elise Perry. She had the spine to say "gently caress off" to a bunch of people who tried to pressure her into focusing on one sport, and then backed it up by kicking goals in the soccer, and taking important wickets in the recent series vs the West Indies. Yeah and she has a pretty big profile? She is actually a regular pundit and host of (men's) A-League coverage as well.
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Scylo posted:I thought everybody knew about Ellyse Perry? For years now I feel like she's consistently been mentioned absolutely everywhere, and she's also been on television a whole bunch because womens T20 games are televised before the mens, though they're on the GEM channel I think. Perry also seems like she very deliberately tries to keep a low profile, I don't think she has any social media accounts or anything. Anytime the mens commentators have to reference a womens player it's usually been Perry because she's basically been the only name anybody has known until recently. There was also a womens cricketer, Holly Ferling, who won the world cup for Australia before she finished her HSC. Womens sport seems to be filled with lots of cool stories and it's a shame most people never get to hear about them. I'm sure that the deeper you get into the sports world the more people know about Ellyse Perry, but here's the thing: I don't follow the AFL at all and I can still tell you who Buddy Franklin is. I don't pay any attention to cricket and I can still tell you who Michael Clarke is. if people like that can have such massive public profiles that even non-sportsnerds are aware of who they are, it's really weird that Ellyse Perry doesn't. FWIW I'm not just using myself as an example. I learnt about Ellyse Perry in a conversation at work with a bunch of people, all of whom follow AFL. I wasn't the only one who'd never heard of her.
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Yeah, basically the only time women's sports gets any coverage in Canada is during the Olympics. I mean sure, when the women were playing the USA in the Gold Medal final in hockey this year there were at least 700 people in the lodge and all eyes were on the TV, but that was only because it was the gold medal game, and seeing as literally 90% of the country watched the Vancouver gold medal final in the men's hockey, well... It's too bad, as women's hockey is actually more interesting to watch than men's a lot of the time because of the lack of checking, there's a lot more niggling and it's a very different game that's quite good in its own right.
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Just as well the adults are in charge: http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/gdp-australia-enters-income-recession-dollar-dives-as-economy-stalls-20141203-11z2bk.html I mean where would we be with those economic vandals in the ALP in charge?
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http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2014/dec/03/higher-education-reform-comes-back-to-the-house-politics-livequote:First question went to Pyne on dropping the higher education package. The education minister thought it terribly indecorous to be shouting in partisan fashion on the day of Hughes funeral. (Nice try). Tosser. (Pyne, not Hughes).
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This is how our esteemed speaker feels about the last few pages of the thread:
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God drat, she looks like an evil step-mother from a 90s family flick. "I'LL GET THOSE DALMATIANS!"
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Adnar posted:Well they're definitely his kids: That head looks legit shopped
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FWIW Women's tennis gets pretty good coverage, and I don't think that their public profiles are dominated by their physical appearance at all. Why is it that sports played by individuals seem to have this problem less than team sports? Also TOML I can totally see the point you're making, but I think it is simply a quickly developed reactive policy. I don't think the ALP have considered sporting culture much at all, and are simply thinking "hell, everyone takes a day off on this day anyway, may as well make it official". I don't think this is unforgivable, as it's more about recognising what the people are already doing and responding to that. For example, the government recognises christmas as an official day off mostly because the vast majority of the population would take a day off then anyway, whether it was official or not. You could argue that Christmas is a religious holiday, so by recognising christmas the government is endorsing christianity, but that's not really fair (though it is often true). However, I agree with you that the government recognising an event by making it a public holiday does strengthen the legitimacy of an event, which in many cases can be problematic. I think a better solution would be to also make the women's AFL grand final also a public holiday (though you'd have to raise the profile of that competition for that to be achievable), rather than not implementing this new public holiday. People like holidays.
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ungulateman posted:This thread is Back to atrocities in government policies. ABC posted:
This is really, really hosed up.
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Kegslayer posted:Back to atrocities in government policies. In a few decades, articles like this will be used to prove it wasn't just evil government policy, but that all of the workers involved were just as complicit and evil. You can't pull the ol' "only following orders" gag when you act with this much initiative. I doubt "Put pregnant refugees in the sun to starve them out" is written down as official protocol anywhere.
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Kegslayer posted:Back to atrocities in government policies. Maybe we can import some American fundie Christians to bomb SERCO for trying to kill babies?
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Splode posted:FWIW Women's tennis gets pretty good coverage, and I don't think that their public profiles are dominated by their physical appearance at all. http://theconversation.com/azarenka-tsonga-and-the-sexism-that-chokes-womens-tennis-11821 quote:Tsonga explained that the reason men dominate is because women are more emotionally unstable than men. “I’m sure everybody will say it’s true, even the girls”, he said. “I mean, it’s just about hormones and all this stuff. We don’t have all these bad things so we are physically in a good shape every time and you are not. quote:Fairfax journalist Richard Hinds ... drew on what he perceived as Azarenka’s meltdown to denigrate women’s tennis. In his article he likened women’s tennis players to prostitutes, writing: Splode posted:Also TOML I can totally see the point you're making, but I think it is simply a quickly developed reactive policy. I don't think the ALP have considered sporting culture much at all, and are simply thinking "hell, everyone takes a day off on this day anyway, may as well make it official". I don't think this is unforgivable, as it's more about recognising what the people are already doing and responding to that. It sounds like largely you agree with me. Personally I can't get behind your solution of "make the women's AFL grand final also a public holiday" because I think that's some cart before the horse stuff. Especially given that we don't even have the league yet. Incidentally I went and found this on Wikipedia: quote:A professional national [women's AFL] competition backed by the AFL is scheduled to commence by 2020 with six, eight or ten teams; bids have been submitted by the 18 existing AFL teams, as well as state level teams and regional teams. So basically, given the context we currently have, given the state of the world as it currently exists - i.e. the AFL operating as a male contest with no female representation in it, and no corresponding women's league in existence - I think it's lousy for the government to further promote/celebrate/sanction/prioritise the AFL. I don't think there's a practical current alternative other than "don't loving do it."
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Splode posted:FWIW Women's tennis gets pretty good coverage, and I don't think that their public profiles are dominated by their physical appearance at all. But I agree that in general, women's tennis gets better coverage than most female sports.
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Splode posted:In a few decades, articles like this will be used to prove it wasn't just evil government policy, but that all of the workers involved were just as complicit and evil. You can't pull the ol' "only following orders" gag when you act with this much initiative. I doubt "Put pregnant refugees in the sun to starve them out" is written down as official protocol anywhere. See, we keep saying things like "In the future this will be regarded as an atrocity" but the reality is that it's regarded as an atrocity now, it's just that many, many Australians think it's the right kind of atrocity and support it gleefully. What if the people with the money and the power just keep getting more and more overt about their aims? What if they keep pandering to the absolute worst in human nature to gloss up their positions with a veneer of democratic legitimacy? I mean, globally, where is the good guy? If a neo-fascist regime actually gained power in any or all of the Western nations in the next couple of decades there's no Allied force to come in and kick it in the throat any more. Talking about grassroots Internet organisation and people power is great but is there really the capacity to rise up in the face of increasingly militarised security forces internal to the state? Where the lines between police, military and PMCs are becoming increasingly blurry? The capacity for revolution in Western nations may be all but lost already and the population is no more engaged now than it ever was, brief bursts of apathetic outrage in response to social media notwithstanding before distraction by the latest video of a kitten falling off something. Call me cynical, and it's probably a valid claim, but I just... don't see a lot of hope for the future. We are tracking to dystopia pretty rapidly.
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Frogmanv2 posted:It's time for your semi regular reminder to go donate blood. I have O negative and despite a letter from my cardiologist approving me to donate blood, Red Cross wont take my blood. Also they discriminate against gay blood.
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SadisTech posted:See, we keep saying things like "In the future this will be regarded as an atrocity" but the reality is that it's regarded as an atrocity now, it's just that many, many Australians think it's the right kind of atrocity and support it gleefully. They teach how bad the White Australia policy is in High school currently, Governments tend to be better at cognitive dissonance than changing cultural values.
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