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Sombrerotron posted:Imagine the Sonic fanbase, but with the ability to monetise every single "original character" and sue for copyright infringement. How would we tell the difference between fan made knockoff games and quality Sega productions like Sonic Boom?  Wank posted:It was also interesting that merchandise for TPM was loving EVERYWHERE. KFC, Pepsi cans, Dorito Tazos, every aisle in the supermarket, every confectionery, everything... TPM. FOR MONTHS. For some reason it got scaled way back when AOTC came around. I remember Walkers/Lays did some sort of Jar Jar extending sticky-tongue toy in their crisp packets. My tongue got covered in filth within a day. They also did millions of prize scratchcards and I think I bankrupted my family with them.
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The Episode VII merchandise is going to own bones. Do I want a collectable Millennium Falcon dinner plate set ?? Yes
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Steve2911 posted:How would we tell the difference between fan made knockoff games and quality Sega productions like Sonic Boom? EDIT: also there wouldn't actually be "quality" games anymore, because no big publisher would want to devote serious funds to a product competing with a billion others in an intellectual property hellhole nobody in their right mind would want to be associated with in the first place. Sombrerotron fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Wank posted:It was also interesting that merchandise for TPM was loving EVERYWHERE. KFC, Pepsi cans, Dorito Tazos, every aisle in the supermarket, every confectionery, everything... TPM. FOR MONTHS. For some reason it got scaled way back when AOTC came around. It's because TPM loving sucked.
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I remember there was a Senator Palpatine Pepsi can that you had no way of knowing was featuring "The Guy who Turns Out To Be The Emperor" unless you were familiar with expanded universe lore or recognized Ian McDiarmid. So it was a Pepsi can with some random politician in a dumb robe from the upcoming movie and you were supposed to get really excited about it.
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teagone posted:It's because TPM loving sucked. Aye, that it did. I remember now, and it puts the Disney deal in perspective, in 1999 PepsiCo paid Lucas $2 billion to use Star Wars in its promotions. I wonder how close they got to recouping that? I know I bought a shitload of Lays and Doritos at least. http://www.fool.com/specials/1999/sp990512starwars003.htm I doubt anyone wanted to follow that precedent. EDIT: More poo poo about why TPM was a failure and what Lucasfilm has done to fix AOTC, including cutting all the kids stuff - and less merchandising http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/04/25/1019441280779.html quote:The new film will have a "darker feel, closer to the original saga" and "no silly characters or kids", says the Lucasfilm document. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1945447.stm Wank fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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The worst was all the Darth Vader merchandise for TPM. As a child I went into the cinema expecting to see Darth Vader. I didn't loving see Darth Vader. (edit - and my pre-emptive reply to people saying "Oh but you did", is: "shut up".)
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Dec 3, 2014 15:06
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The best TPM promotion was the KFC/Pizza Hut/Taco Bell team up. Like some Avengers of lovely fast food coming together to pimp a movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uMnaobAiKc
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Dec 3, 2014 15:11
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The same company owns all 3, so that's why they were all promoting episode 1. That company used to be owned by Pepsi as well.
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Dec 3, 2014 15:15
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Is that a motherfucking Chancellor Valorum Pepsi can?! 
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Sombrerotron posted:The knockoff games would be approximately a hundred times more likely to result in a frivolous lawsuit and/or to contain porn. I think they would after the initial glut of poo poo. I mean, people still make Sherlock Holmes stories and that character has been public domain for decades.
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Lurdiak posted:I remember there was a Senator Palpatine Pepsi can that you had no way of knowing was featuring "The Guy who Turns Out To Be The Emperor" unless you were familiar with expanded universe lore or recognized Ian McDiarmid. So it was a Pepsi can with some random politician in a dumb robe from the upcoming movie and you were supposed to get really excited about it. Best goddamned Pepsi cans ever, and you should still be really excited about them.   
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Steve2911 posted:Is that a motherfucking Chancellor Valorum Pepsi can?! It most certainly is. Kneel before Chancellor Finis Valorum.
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:But when the auteur already *is* a giant profit-driven corporation, it renders the point pretty moot does it not? Despite the billion-dollar merchandising, it still had Lucas at its core, even with the weirdo that he is. You don't digitally add rocks before R2D2 for mass appeal, you do it because you are an insane person. Disney is just going to make an even bigger mess few years from now, with new media constantly contradicting and rebuilding itself. Just a one giant EU where even OT would lose its importance. Steve2911 posted:Is that a motherfucking Chancellor Valorum Pepsi can?! I want to believe that there are obsessive Terrance Stamp fans. fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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fatherboxx posted:I want to believe that there are obsessive Terrance Stamp fans. There certainly are in Australia! 
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I haven't seen the movies in a while but if I recall didn't Mr. Palpatine do a good job with his role? I seem to think he stands out sort of like how Hugo Weaving did in the Matrix movies.
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Gatts posted:I haven't seen the movies in a while but if I recall didn't Mr. Palpatine do a good job with his role? I seem to think he stands out sort of like how Hugo Weaving did in the Matrix movies. Yes. To the point that people who otherwise hate the prequels (such as RLM) love Palpatine, especially in Revenge of the Sith.
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If any doesn't think episode seven will be a color by numbers movie by committee that satisfies a marketing committee's checklist first, then you are in for a disappointment. For years Star Wars has basically been extension of all those shows from the 70's, toy concepts first, 20 minute long commercials second.
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computer parts posted:I think they would after the initial glut of poo poo. I mean, people still make Sherlock Holmes stories and that character has been public domain for decades. fatherboxx posted:Despite the billion-dollar merchandising, it still had Lucas at its core, even with the weirdo that he is. You don't digitally add rocks before R2D2 for mass appeal, you do it because you are an insane person. Disney is just going to make an even bigger mess few years from now, with new media constantly contradicting and rebuilding itself. Just a one giant EU where even OT would lose its importance.
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Sombrerotron posted:Do you really think the Sherlock Holmes and Star Wars fanbases are comparable? Also, aside from a handful of (relatively) high-production-value renditions/interpretations of pre-existing Holmes stories, how much genuinely new material have big studios and publishers put out in the past few decades? Sherlock Holmes mysteries are still very alive in books. Particularly YA "Sherlock's distant relative gets into hijinks" genres.
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I have a box still containing every one of those stupid Pepsi character cans (except the golden Yoda one or whatever where you won a million dollars or something). As a kid it was always my plan to sell my collection one day for massive profits. Let the bidding begin.
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Sombrerotron posted:Do you really think the Sherlock Holmes and Star Wars fanbases are comparable? Also, aside from a handful of (relatively) high-production-value renditions/interpretations of pre-existing Holmes stories, how much genuinely new material have big studios and publishers put out in the past few decades? In the past 20 years there's been at least as many productions of Sherlock as there have been Star Wars in each respective medium. The fanbases while probably made up of different people are easily comparable on size.
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SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:If any doesn't think episode seven will be a color by numbers movie by committee that satisfies a marketing committee's checklist first, then you are in for a disappointment. For years Star Wars has basically been extension of all those shows from the 70's, toy concepts first, 20 minute long commercials second. That explains the no-name black male lead.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:So, in your theory, George Lucas watched There Will Be Blood and got all confused, like "how come my film, in which Dracula fights a muppet, doesn't look like this???" So he goes on the Internet and reads youtube comments for a few days... Thats not Dracula, its a poop baron. I mean he tells you in the name, I'm surprised you didn't get that critical subtext. Everybody poops, even the force.
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euphronius posted:That explains the no-name black male lead. How much do you think it'll cost to get a leading black actor for a demographic that doesn't care which one they get. Also, did anyone notice in the 90's for the Special Editions all the marketing barely used the big three, and instead used mask characters instead? I figured it was to avoid paying them royalties. Is there anything written about that, I'd be interested to see.
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Lucas owned their movie likenesses so it wasn't about that. Also you missed my point entirely.
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Spaceman Future! posted:Thats not Dracula, its a poop baron. I mean he tells you in the name, I'm surprised you didn't get that critical subtext. Everybody poops, even the force. Force poops sound like a horrible condition where all your maedyklorons migrate into your hemorrhoids.
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Zonekeeper posted:Yes. To the point that people who otherwise hate the prequels (such as RLM) love Palpatine, especially in Revenge of the Sith. If every actor chewed the scenery as much as Ian McDiarmid and Christopher Lee the prequels would have been drat fine movies.
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euphronius posted:Lucas owned their movie likenesses so it wasn't about that. I'm relatively sure you are agreeing with me, right? If not please elucidate.
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PresidentBeard posted:If every actor chewed the scenery as much as Ian McDiarmid and Christopher Lee the prequels would have been drat fine movies. The scenery wasn't real though
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A marketing committee is not going to launch a $200 million blockbuster with a no-name black male lead.
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Steezy Skunk Tamer posted:I have a box still containing every one of those stupid Pepsi character cans (except the golden Yoda one or whatever where you won a million dollars or something). As a kid it was always my plan to sell my collection one day for massive profits. If I figure out where to find it I'd offer to give you your dignity back. Or I'd trade for my Jizz collection.
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euphronius posted:A marketing committee is not going to launch a $200 million blockbuster with a no-name black male lead. While I agree with that, I think it's possible we will find out that he's not the lead. Wasn't there a script written previously by the guy that wrote Toy Story 3, and then it was scrapped, and he was fired because the studio wanted a movie that focused on the big three? Maybe his character and the actor was signed on for that script, and in the reworking he's stuck around but is in a reduced role.
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euphronius posted:A marketing committee is not going to launch a $200 million blockbuster with a no-name black male lead. The Prequels were a parade of expensive well known talent with a maze of contract restrictions that were utterly wasted. It seems like Disney wants the exact opposite, low key inexpensive but talented rising stars that they can rule with an iron fist in true Mouse style. No Hamil, Fisher, Ford in the trailer. Hell not even Peter Mayhew, they are looking for control and distance from the OT.
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Spaceman Future! posted:The Prequels were a parade of expensive well known talent with a maze of contract restrictions that were utterly wasted. It seems like Disney wants the exact opposite, low key inexpensive but talented rising stars that they can rule with an iron fist in true Mouse style. They are probably trying to avoid a Marvel situation where they are tied to huge name actors with huge paychecks.
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SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:While I agree with that, I think it's possible we will find out that he's not the lead. Wasn't there a script written previously by the guy that wrote Toy Story 3, and then it was scrapped, and he was fired because the studio wanted a movie that focused on the big three? Maybe his character and the actor was signed on for that script, and in the reworking he's stuck around but is in a reduced role. If that were the case the trailer would have absolutely featured Hamill, Ford, and Fisher. There's a very good reason Boyega, Ridley, and Isaac are the 3 faces we see in the trailer.
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SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:They are probably trying to avoid a Marvel situation where they are tied to huge name actors with huge paychecks. Which is pretty much the opposite of a paint by numbers produced by marketing movie. Paint by numbers wants Samuel Jackson because of focus groups.
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Jose Oquendo posted:If that were the case the trailer would have absolutely featured Hamill, Ford, and Fisher. There's a very good reason Boyega, Ridley, and Isaac are the 3 faces we see in the trailer. Probably to avoid spoilers. I figure Hamill's appearance is likely considered a spoiler, Carrie is horrifying to look at, and Harris Ford is too old for this sort of nonsense.
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