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katium posted:11th Circuit rejected Florida's request to extend the stay, so barring SCOTUS intervention, Florida goes gay on January 5, 2015.
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ColdPie posted:I don't think the distinction matters, and I also find it unlikely that there are enough crazy people to make up a large component of a major political party, but none of them run for office. Dude from Minnesota claims no insane apocalyptic Evangelicals run for office  
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11th Circuit posted:Having reviewed and fully considered the Motion, the parties’ briefs, and the orders issued by the District Court in the proceedings below, the Court hereby denies Appellants’ Motion. The stay of preliminary injunctions entered by the District Court expires at the end of the day on January 5, 2014. It's like I said whenever we talked about the "which states have it and which states will have it soon": Florida's getting it either early 2015 (likeliest) or late 2015, but they're getting it in 2015. Supreme Court didn't stay any of the other states this part of the year, they won't stay Florida. Chris James 2 fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Dec 4, 2014 03:49
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Lutha Mahtin posted:Dude from Minnesota claims no insane apocalyptic Evangelicals run for office Me or the guy I quoted? If me, I don't think you read our discussion correctly. E: Or maybe I expressed myself poorly? He suggested that jackhole politicians are jackholes as political theater to entice voters. I said it's unlikely that there are enough crazies to be a major political force, but none of them run for office. ColdPie fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Look at it this way, can you imagine trying to get (re)elected to a statewide office in South Carolina as a Republican, and not being able to say "I did everything within my power to keep South Carolina free from the Gay Menace"?
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ColdPie posted:Or maybe I expressed myself poorly? He suggested that jackhole politicians are jackholes as political theater to entice voters. I said it's unlikely that there are enough crazies to be a major political force, but none of them run for office. Oh duh, that's the opposite of what I thought you said. I was a bit confused because even just this past election there were a few super nutjobs who got sent to Washington.
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The Texas Observer had asked a bunch of county clerks what they would do if the stay were lifted Fort Worth continue to be awful, but Dallas is a go. Travis County (Austin) says they will have extended hours, but Bexar County (San Antonio) takes the cake: quote:Republican Bexar County Clerk Gerhard C. “Gerry” Rickhoff said in addition to keeping his office open ’round-the-clock, he’s considering setting up tables in Main Plaza to accommodate same-sex couples. Rickhoff said he’s also lined up district judges to waive a 72-hour waiting period before ceremonies can occur, as well as officiants to conduct them. 
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Dec 4, 2014 16:06
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well that quote made my day. thank you Gerry.
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And that guy's a Republican? Odd.
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Dec 4, 2014 18:32
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FlamingLiberal posted:And that guy's a Republican? Odd. It's almost as if Republicans are people too and not just Freep stereotypes! 
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:It's almost as if Republicans are people too and not just Freep stereotypes! Or at least realize that they are not going to win and might as well court future voters versus alienating them
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:It's almost as if Republicans are people too and not just Freep stereotypes! postmarriagetacktocentrism.txt
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SedanChair posted:postmarriagetacktocentrism.txt Yes, because pointing out how a caricature is not an active reflection of political affiliation is an example of "gently caress you, got mine!" thinking. Incisive political analysis as always, SedanChair!
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Franco Potente posted:Yes, because pointing out how a caricature is not an active reflection of political affiliation is an example of "gently caress you, got mine!" thinking. Incisive political analysis as always, SedanChair! Well it is something that you'd expect from someone with a 15 year olds worldview so...
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Dec 4, 2014 18:59
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FlamingLiberal posted:And that guy's a Republican? Odd. He might be one of those old-school Republicans that actually believed in things like the constitution and limited government interference in private lives.
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FlamingLiberal posted:And that guy's a Republican? Odd. Consider how much people thought Oklahoma, Virginia, South Carolina, etc would be some of the last states to allow it. Even in Texas, being beaten in the equality department by those states has to be stinging at least a few people.
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Chris James 2 posted:Consider how much people thought Oklahoma, Virginia, South Carolina, etc would be some of the last states to allow it. Even in Texas, being beaten in the equality department by those states has to be stinging at least a few people. To be fair it's not like any of them made a choice, it's all about the judges' timing.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Well it is something that you'd expect from someone with a 15 year olds worldview so... People who use the terminal "so" are insufferable. But Rickhoff does seem to be a very capable and principled administrator. All the articles about him online praise his reforms and attention to detail. Here's an interesting article from a while back http://www.sacurrent.com/sanantonio/glitter-political-the-eyes-of-gerry-rickhoff-are-upon-you/Content?oid=2250073
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Dec 4, 2014 19:14
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Considering the ridiculousness of the modern Republican party, it's extremely unusual to see a member in a position of power in Texas take such a fiercely positive stance toward equality. To pretend that he's not an exception is delusional.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:22
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Thesoro posted:Considering the ridiculousness of the modern Republican party, it's extremely unusual to see a member in a position of power in Texas take such a fiercely positive stance toward equality. To pretend that he's not an exception is delusional.  You spelled Rethuglican wrong.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:26
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It's really unreasonable to say that Republicans were against marriage equality, and to equate their position to homophobia. They simply wanted to make sure the nation was ready before undertaking a social experiment of that nature. Redefining the sacred institution of marriage is a major step, and I'm sorry if some of you want to rush ahead into some kind of crazy law that lets you marry a box turtle, but I for one am thankful for the caution shown on the part of Republican lawmakers.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:
Yeah, it's not like the party was made up of a group of gibbering idiots as recently as February of last year or anything...
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Dec 4, 2014 19:33
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Freudian posted:some of you want to rush ahead into some kind of crazy law that lets you marry a box turtle, Finally, it's revealed, the TRUE Gay Agenda!™ 
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Dec 4, 2014 19:35
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:
Maybe if you flack for them enough, they'll all come over to you and it'll just be Ted Cruz by himself on the other side. Keep hope in your heart!
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Thesoro posted:Considering the ridiculousness of the modern Republican party, it's extremely unusual to see a member in a position of power in Texas take such a fiercely positive stance toward equality. To pretend that he's not an exception is delusional. The position of big city mayor has very different incentives, though. Especially in a state as business-obsessed as Texas, the first and foremost thing every candidate for a big city mayor position has to do is swear to do everything possible to attract companies to their city, increase the tax base by bringing in desirable people and new jobs etc. Homophobia has become toxic for that argument: any company with a gay guy on its board of directors will likely go "no thanks, let's try somewhere else" if the mayor of a city they're considering relocating to goes all George Wallace in blocking off marriage licenses by standing in the hallway. Statewide candidates have very different incentives, as they're running more ideological races that aren't centered the same sort of issues. Also, of course, rural politicians like Louis Gohmert are a totally different ballgame as well.
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 N4I, you seem to hold the belief that anyone who acknowledges the Republican Party's extremely lovely attitudes toward marriage equality (and the relative uncommonness of Republicans who don't share those attitudes) is an immature teenager. Patter Song posted:The position of big city mayor has very different incentives,
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I may have my disagreements with the Republicans, but it's important to remember that at the end of the day, they're just human beings like the rest of us, and it isn't fair to hold them up as some bunch of cackling supervillains constantly threatening evil schemes like holding the world economy hostage, or shutting down the government.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:
You are being intentionally obtuse on this dude.
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You all are right. The many many conservatives I know who are in favor of marriage equality are figments of my imagination. Conservatives delenda est!
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Literally in this thread: "It's notable and unusual for an elected Republican to be pro-gay because the party line has been unambiguously homophobic for decades" "YOU RETARD WHAT THE gently caress DO YOU KNOW ABOUT POLITICS YOU loving TEENAGER LEARN SOME SCHOOL"
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:You all are right. The many many conservatives I know who are in favor of marriage equality are figments of my imagination. 2. Many != Majority. Your friends are exceptions. Good exceptions! I have conservative friends who support marriage equality too! I'm in my 20s, everyone I know supports marriage equality, liberal or conservative! The fact that you know some people does not change the statistical fact that most conservatives oppose marriage equality. 3. You're being an idiot.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:51
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Sorry guys, I'm being delusional 
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I have conservative friends who fully support my right to marry. The problem is they don't hold office.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Sorry guys, I'm being delusional
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Sorry guys, I'm being delusional I'm glad you have the grace to concede the point and apologise. It's rare on the internet.
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Freudian posted:I'm glad you have the grace to concede the point and apologise. It's rare on the internet. Could you imagine how not lovely D&D would be if this demand for logical consistency were evenly applied across all viewpoints?
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:You all are right. The many many conservatives I know who are in favor of marriage equality are figments of my imagination. That's not very conservative mister.
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Can we all stop the infighting and just laugh at Republicans?
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