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Following Hillary, Jeb makes his move too. Although this is less official than Hillary. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeb-bush-2016-new-hampshire-operatives quote:Is Jeb 2016 A Go? He's Reportedly Recruiting Primary-State Operatives
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I’ve definitely perceived an uptick in the perception of him doing this. Bold words. (but yeah I think he'll run)
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I want every appearance he has to be full of ostensibly pro-Jeb people holding Miss Me Yet pictures of W.
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Warcabbit posted:I want every appearance he has to be full of ostensibly pro-Jeb people holding Miss Me Yet pictures of W. I just hope the campaign slogan is "Suck it, Adamses".
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pangstrom posted:I’ve definitely perceived an uptick in the perception of him doing this. Goddammit. gently caress this stupid country.
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Warcabbit posted:I want every appearance he has to be full of ostensibly pro-Jeb people holding Miss Me Yet pictures of W. Hillary Clinton has lost that ‘new car’ smell http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...bff8_story.html quote:But when it was time for Clinton’s appearance to begin Wednesday morning, half of the 700 seats in the place were empty. After a half-hour “weather delay,” diplomats and VIPs filled a few more chairs, but more than 300 remained vacant when the former secretary of state and first lady walked in wearing a robin’s-egg-blue jacket and her signature pants. Hillary’s presidential reality check moment http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/hillary-clinton-on-the-presidency-113333.html quote:‘You can easily lose touch with what’s real’ This Hillary Clinton song is really, really terrible http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/12/04/this-hillary-clinton-song-is-really-terrible-video/ http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/...oint-committee/ quote:'Clinton got top billing as the evening’s “special guest,” and the Hollywood Reporter called it a “coming out of sorts” for Clinton among entertainment industry donors, should she opt to run for president in 2016.' Operation: Miss Me Yet? in full effect.
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"wearing her signature pants"
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Pinterest Mom posted:"wearing her signature pants" A google image search of this phrase led me to this: 
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If she plays safe politics and doesn't beat the living poo poo out of Republicans for running this country into the ground, I'm moving to a swing state and voting against her.
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Cheekio posted:If she plays safe politics and doesn't beat the living poo poo out of Republicans for running this country into the ground, I'm moving to a swing state and voting against her. Something tells me she wants it badly enough and knows how to deal with the Republicans' poo poo after being attacked by them for so long that she won't keep the kid gloves on. She's not the cool, likeable Obama candidate who just wants us all to get along. Hillary already knows how divisive she is. But I hope there isn't enough misogyny in this country to keep her from being elected. I was talking to one of my friends earlier today who is worried she's doomed because of that very reason.
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Ninjasaurus posted:Something tells me she wants it badly enough and knows how to deal with the Republicans' poo poo after being attacked by them for so long that she won't keep the kid gloves on. She's not the cool, likeable Obama candidate who just wants us all to get along. Hillary already knows how divisive she is. I would have taken her over Obama, that's for sure.
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Thank God for primaries.
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Ninjasaurus posted:Something tells me she wants it badly enough and knows how to deal with the Republicans' poo poo after being attacked by them for so long that she won't keep the kid gloves on. She's not the cool, likeable Obama candidate who just wants us all to get along. Hillary already knows how divisive she is. Oh she's getting elected. All these right-wingers can keep a hat on a lot of their misogyny. I mean we will definitely see new and hilarious depths online, but I will toxx that Hillary will cut massive deals with Congress in her first year. She's got the willingness and instincts to schmooze with them, which Obama never did. Masses of Republicans will vote for Hillary. Masses of people who cannot tolerate a black man can tolerate a white woman.
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SedanChair posted:Masses of Republicans will vote for Hillary. Masses of people who cannot tolerate a black man can tolerate a white woman. Perhaps but they will not tolerate this white woman.
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No they will. They will  You all are underestimating the great and terrible Madam Secretary's power to schmooze. Without a powerful primary foe like Obama she will come out undamaged and just work out on Jeb Bush or Rand Paul's lifeless corpse like it was a heavy bag. All will love her.
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SedanChair posted:No they will. They will How much of the white male vote do you think she can capture, as compared to Obama? I think Hillary was at her most authentic when she attacked the very concept of "hope", in an effort to rebuke Obama while he was helping millions of people feel good about themselves during the 2008 primary season. If she pulls that again, Americans might be ready to reward her this time for saying it like it is after having their hopes and dreams pummeled into the ground for so long. HILLARY 2016 gently caress HOPE
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SedanChair posted:No they will. They will I'm not trying to shut down a topic worthy of discussion, but keep in mind at this stage of the game in 2006/early 2007 we still knew Barack Obama as "noted DNC keynote speaker." Or maybe if you wanted to get cheeky you could say "noted opponent of Alan Keyes". No prospective Democratic candidate has an ounce of the charisma of Obama from back then, but we can pray like hell someone's fallen through the cracks and will magically appear. 2016 is a chance not to just keep the presidency but to take back state houses, governor's mansions, and maybe the Senate. My fairly conservative state's going to have an important marijuana legalization ballot too, and as a patient I really want to maximize those chances. As much as much as I wouldn't mind a Hillary presidency just like I don't mind the Obama one, the ability to reliably turn out voters and get others elected on coattails* isn't something I see a candidate as divisive as she doing at all. *do pantsuits have coattails? I think we're going to need a new phrase if she runs
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dinoputz posted:I'm not trying to shut down a topic worthy of discussion, but keep in mind at this stage of the game in 2006/early 2007 we still knew Barack Obama as "noted DNC keynote speaker." Or maybe if you wanted to get cheeky you could say "noted opponent of Alan Keyes". He was "Senator Barack Obama" actually. I think by this point he was in talks with Axelrod as well, I may be wrong. And that keynote was a really big deal if you remember. He was instantly world famous. Can you name a prospect in either party with that level of renown? e: oh and the House and Senate are staying R. woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Dec 5, 2014 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Robby Mook, who ran Martin O'Malley's first Gubernatorial Campaign, Howard Dean's 2002 Gubernatorial and 2004 Presidential Campaign, and T-Mac's 2013 Virginia Gubernatorial Campaign is the front runner.
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The only question in my mind is, is Hillary still mad at the Republicans in general and about healthcare in particular?
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I'd hesitate to say a percentage of white voters Hillary can capture, more than Mitt certainly.VanSandman posted:The only question in my mind is, is Hillary still mad at the Republicans in general and about healthcare in particular? Nah. She's above bitterness if she can use you.
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SedanChair posted:I'd hesitate to say a percentage of white voters Hillary can capture, more than Mitt certainly. I doubt that. 2-7 points more than Obama depending on the state, but that's as much as I'd wager.
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dinoputz posted:*do pantsuits have coattails? I think we're going to need a new phrase if she runs If that happens and it catches on, I'm going to accuse you of starting pantsuit-tailsgate.
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SedanChair posted:I'd hesitate to say a percentage of white voters Hillary can capture, more than Mitt certainly. Are you seriously suggesting that a Clinton doesn't hold severe grudges?
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Remember how vicious Hillary was vs Obama? 2016 is going to be one hell of a campaign.
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Hodgepodge posted:Remember how vicious Hillary was vs Obama? 2016 is going to be one hell of a campaign. And even if it's close (it won't be), we know she won't easily concede defeat like Gore or Kerry. I remember how stupefying it was that she didn't give up until every single state had voted in the primary.
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I really want to see a split Republican convention in my lifetime guys. If Jeb runs there's no way that will happen. 
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I think that Jeb and Mitt are both reluctant, only looking at the race because there is a gigantic Jeb/Mitt shaped opening with the various crazies being weak candidates even at the primary level. If one of them runs the other will back off. Maybe they'd back off for Christie too but he seems like a bit of a wild card and probably won't take their candidacies into account when he decides whether to run himself.
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Would Christie be the fattest President since William Howard Taft? And who is the ugliest President so far?
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Ninjasaurus posted:Would Christie be the fattest President since William Howard Taft? I think Christie may actually be fatter than Taft was. "Fat" meant something different then, back before America's waistlines exploded. From what I can find in a quick google, Taft's peak weight was around 340; Christie appears to have been up over 400 at one point, and is now down to a mere 320-ish after lap band surgery. http://www.newsmax.com/US/Chris-Christie-weight-loss-New-Jersey/2014/03/24/id/561373/ Ugliest president? My guess is Richard Nixon.
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Ninjasaurus posted:Would Christie be the fattest President since William Howard Taft?  E: Beaten.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:
How is the answer to this anything but Lyndon Johnson?
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Kalman posted:Are you seriously suggesting that a Clinton doesn't hold severe grudges? Maybe in her private moments she seethes, but if you can be worked on she'll work on you.
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paragon1 posted:I really want to see a split Republican convention in my lifetime guys. If Jeb runs there's no way that will happen. It's highly unlikely to happen no matter who the candidates are until the parties decide to move away from the McGovern reformed primary system.
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Alter Ego posted:How is the answer to this anything but Lyndon Johnson? Because he has a passing resemblance to Tom Hanks?
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computer parts posted:Because he has a passing resemblance to Tom Hanks?  Like twins, they are. 
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Joementum posted:It's highly unlikely to happen no matter who the candidates are until the parties decide to move away from the McGovern reformed primary system. I can dream dammit! 
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dinoputz posted:
Man, I still have warm memories of that time. I'm not American, but it was the first time I started following American politics and it was just a loving magical introduction, especially as a teenager. I really think he's probably the best orator of our time. I mean shame that he became an average president and all but 2008 was a great goddamn time to be a black person anywhere in the world. Finally understood why my dad (an American citizen) revered Kennedy so much, if it was anything like that. No other country or any other event does "Behold the great and glorious future that awaits us" then an US presidential election. At least a Clinton candidacy means that we'll be getting some great speeches from a tag team of Obama/Bill - and I plan to be drunk or high to momentarily temper the mountain of cynicism I've acquired in the past six years for each and every one of 'em.
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Romney's social media team was large, but couldn't get much done. The link goes to a comparative study of the two campaigns' social media strategies that might be interesting.
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