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toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

Flipperwaldt posted:

Nothing was clipping in the file I gave you, pal.
This is mixing, not mastering. Wouldn't have minded you or anyone doing a remix album, but let's be clear on that from the start and just ask for stems where necessary.
I appreciate the enthousiasm and the time you took, but you're totally overthinking this, just like you apparently were overthinking what needed to be done to the music. You want a coherent album? Let one person mix it. There's no point trying to impose a coherent artistic vision without going back to the stems. (I see sofullofhate has got me covered on that.) You want a compilation? Bring things to a similar level and maybe gently massage some glaring actual EQ errors and let the tracks be different. At least that's what I hoped you'd be doing.

Scope creep, it's a nasty thing, man. I'm definitely not saying I would have done a better job. But stereo enhancement? Really? On the whole track? Did any of the tracks even have a problem with that in the first place?

I'm sure I'm being a diva to some degree, but I honestly feel there are points that were worth addressing underneath that.


Whoa, did someone piss in your cornflakes? Why are we harshing on the glowing mellow that is bathing this thread lately. Ok so he mixed instead of mastered, who cares? I don't think he claimed to be doing a super duper professional studio job, and in the end, had a couple days to mash together a coherent sounding album. It turned out pretty well. You are overthinking it, and you are kinda being a diva here. Relax bro, we made a thing and it's cool.

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Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



toadee posted:

Whoa, did someone piss in your cornflakes? Why are we harshing on the glowing mellow that is bathing this thread lately. Ok so he mixed instead of mastered, who cares? I don't think he claimed to be doing a super duper professional studio job, and in the end, had a couple days to mash together a coherent sounding album. It turned out pretty well. You are overthinking it, and you are kinda being a diva here. Relax bro, we made a thing and it's cool.
You smell of geek social fallacies.

I'm glad you and a couple of others are happy with the results. I'm not speaking in your name.

I get to say when I'm not happy with something that goes out there with my name on it though.

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

Flipperwaldt posted:

You smell of geek social fallacies.

I'm glad you and a couple of others are happy with the results. I'm not speaking in your name.

I get to say when I'm not happy with something that goes out there with my name on it though.

Is this some kind of super-deep meta thing based on your track name?

coolskull
Nov 11, 2007

I get where he's coming from. That kind of heavy processing seems a bit presumptuous when you qualify it as mastering. I wager trying to bring out different elements from a mix instead of from stems doesn't turn out great either (Haven't had a chance to play the thing myself yet.) And if, when I do listen to my track that I carefully mixed, it has a super wide stereo image tacked on I'll be somewhat unhappy.

I still enjoyed this and want to do more projects like this in the future (and again, haven't listened yet) but from that description Dotcom, it sounds like a bit much.

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

It just came off as incredibly bitchy, and everyone had the opportunity to chime in with suggestions/offers back when bringing the album together as a cohesive mix was mentioned and no concerns were voiced. I mean I see the argument, the tact and timing is just missing totally.

Sizone
Sep 13, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Matters of 'tude aside, creative control over the stuff you create trumps, period.
This can be obviated in future by moving time frames up a week so that everyone has a chance to listen to the mastered/eqed/mixxed/whatevered album ready image of their song. A chance to answer the question "Hey, is this o.k. with you?" if so, great, if not pull it or rework it.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



EDIT: Oh, hey ^^^^ there you go!

toadee posted:

It just came off as incredibly bitchy, and everyone had the opportunity to chime in with suggestions/offers back when bringing the album together as a cohesive mix was mentioned and no concerns were voiced. I mean I see the argument, the tact and timing is just missing totally.
Thank you. For the substance of the criticism as well, because I wasn't particulary aware that was the problem. It wasn't my intention to come off bitchy. I apologize, to Dotcom Jillionaire in particular.

I didn't voice concerns before because I assumed DJ would limit his efforts to leveling the tracks out a bit. I didn't find out my assumption was wrong before it went live. I picked this moment because the announcement for the next edition was made and I didn't want to make the mistake of voicing my concerns late again.

I'd like to restate what I hope is the take away from all this: I would prefer that whoever wants to do mastering on the next edition is clear on their desired level of involvement, so I can either do my own best attempt at mastering my track or provide him with the materials to do the best possible job with it. Either is fine and I will absolutely not whine about the results of handing over creative control to someone else if I know beforehand that that is what I'm doing.

Personally, I'll also take away that I've got to work pretty badly at the tone of my posts. I'll do my best, I promise.

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer

Sizone posted:

By hugenamimous decision, the next SYNTH CHALLENGE is bonerjamz.

:woop:
Finally a chance to use all my string synths and old romplers for good (bonerz)!

a cyborg mug
Mar 8, 2010



I do not know how to make sexy music. I'm not a very sexy person

Sizone
Sep 13, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Drink more. Booze will make you and the people around you sexier.

In out in out in out, steady hard and deep

Then get progressively faster and harder

Then slow down and chill it for a while because your leg cramped up

Finish up, catch your breath, drink some water and take a shower

e: don't go too far though, remember these wise words from Buddy Cole (around the .50 mark) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqQCyAQBgXY

Sizone fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Dec 5, 2014

a cyborg mug
Mar 8, 2010



Maybe I'll submit an ambient drone or something because the absolute best sex music is no music at all.

VoodooXT
Feb 24, 2006
I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!
Sometimes the best thing to do is not think and just put it in the DAW

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer
I just recently learned about this work of art from my glorious motherland :norway: and since it's very much synth and bonerz-related I thought it should be shared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ8hcLXE6Fg

May it inspire us all.

field balm
Feb 5, 2012

^^ awesome

gonna make a sexy minimal house track; I couldn't really come up with anything thematically appropriate for the christmas release!

anyone wanna collaborate or something?

VoodooXT
Feb 24, 2006
I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!

Dotcom Jillionaire posted:

then descend into some epic synth sounds on Her Cold Embrace.(there's a lot of gravity on this track!).

I love you, man.

Anyway, here's hoping I can get some good sex music going on.

A MIRACLE
Sep 17, 2007

All right. It's Saturday night; I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape... Let's rock.

CAn someone educate me on the casino time 601?i know nothing about it, have no need for another synth but one popped up on Craigslist and I'm in love with the wood grain and buttons. Here's some pictures http://denver.craigslist.org/msg/4736170619.html

Radiapathy
Dec 3, 2011

Snooping as usual, I see.
All of the brand new Alesis MIDI controllers are half price or less at the moment, so I picked up the V25 keyboard controller, since it is the exact perfect size for my desk, with the exact number of controls I need. I love my Roland A49, but even it was simply too big for my desk.

Anyway, I'm running 64-bit Windows 7 Pro with Cubase 7.5 as my DAW. When I use my sustain pedal with the V25, the polarity is reversed- holding the pedal down shuts off sustain, and letting the pedal up turns it on. Viewing the MIDI Monitor in Cubase I could see that the V25 was transmitting the opposite MIDI CC values in the different pedal positions. (Sending 0 when pressed, 127 when released.)

I have the Alesis V25 Editor installed (version 1.0.4), and I tried swapping the Pressed and Released values there. However, Hardware > Send Preset is NOT uploading the changed configuration. I do have the V25 MIDIIN2 (V25) and MIDIOUT2 (V25) items selected in Device Setup. However, if I load Cubase after performing Send Preset, I can see that my change hasn't stuck. Also, if I go back in V25 Editor and use Hardware > Get Preset, it swaps the Pressed and Released values back to the wrong settings again. So, it's behaving like it's not accepting my new Sustain settings at all. This is a big problem!

Have submitted a support ticket. The keyboard's so new there's almost nothing out there about it- although I did find one other dude reporting the exact same problem (and he's got a different sustain pedal and he's running Mac/Logic). Kind of bummin; hope Alesis comes through on this.

The default velocity curve is really unforgiving; you have to slam the keys to get a good volume. It's adjustable in the editor, and THAT setting appears to stick, at least. Grrrr....



EDIT: Check out the wicked hand-drawn velocity curves in the editor manual:

Radiapathy fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Dec 5, 2014

W424
Oct 21, 2010

Radiapathy posted:


EDIT: Check out the wicked hand-drawn velocity curves in the editor manual:



Somebody doesn't know about Bézier curves.

Scatterfold
Nov 4, 2008


What are people's opinions on Reaper? I spend 3 hours a day commuting so something that works cross-platform for my studio PC at home (currently running Cubase) and my MacBook Air would be great; i.e. record & put into a project at home; mix and edit on the train. Seems a good deal for £40-odd.

My two pennies on the compilation/mastering issue: personally I would have liked at least a couple of days and a chance to review any mastered versions to give my input *but* I realise it was a) a first time effort, b) a total volunteer job using up Dotcom's time and c) time was running out before xmas. Ultimately it's a lesson learnt for next time & I'm totally up for the sex tape so, hopefully on the next comp everyone will be happy & get a chance to review.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



The same picture of velocity curves was in the manual for the Alesis QX61 I had. That was the controller that had random firmware freezes and that would stop reacting to random keys until you did a power cycle. On average, it did work correctly for about 15 minutes at a time. In most DAWs on Windows, power cycling a midi controller also means having to restart the DAW to be able to detect it again.

I had Thomann send me another one and it did the exact same thing. Good thing I could get my money back. Only lost 10€ on shipping. Alesis; never again.

Scatterfold posted:

What are people's opinions on Reaper? I spend 3 hours a day commuting so something that works cross-platform for my studio PC at home (currently running Cubase) and my MacBook Air would be great; i.e. record & put into a project at home; mix and edit on the train. Seems a good deal for £40-odd.
Reaper is good software, but coming from Cubase, you'll have to wrap your head around a few concepts that work differently. There is also a lot of UI clutter. Overloaded context menus and unlabeled buttons on tracks that do a whole range of fairly important things. I couldn't get used to the scrollwheel zooming in the piano roll instead of scrolling and I missed the right click tool switching. You can remap all keyboard and mouse shortcuts though, you just have got to do the effort.

All in all, I think if you can give it a couple of weeks without switching back and forth to Cubase, you'll probably get used to all that. I'm not aware of anything else to complain about in Reaper. It's pretty solid and flexible for what I've seen and heard.

Sizone
Sep 13, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Reaper is good. Get it.

The only thing that consistently fucks me up about it is assigning midi channels to tracks. I have to relearn that every time I work with it. Lack of a built in wave editor also kind of bugs me, but that's the case with most daws so....
Man, how I pine for pre-sony soundforge.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Sizone posted:

Man, how I pine for pre-sony soundforge.
I pine for pre-Adobe Audition.

snorch
Jul 27, 2009
I've been using Reaper for about five years now and am very happy with it. There are some quirks and Flipperwaldt is right about the UI clutter, but once I got used to the keyboard shortcuts and general workflow of it, I have found it to be a very fluid experience. JS effects are neat if you need to do some quick custom utility shizzle (subtract channel 1 from 3 and 2 from 4, put the result to channels 1 and 2 and things like that). The routing matrix is really neat for grouping stuff together, building buses, handling MIDI and more. The whole thing is highly customizable and scriptable. In all, it's a full-featured DAW with an occasionally steep learning curve, but once you get things figured out you'll be hard-pressed to outgrow it.

e: i will be boner jammin with it

snorch fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Dec 5, 2014

Scatterfold
Nov 4, 2008


Thanks for the advise. I'm not averse to change & learning curves so that's all good.

On a slightly different note, are different DAWs better/worse at MIDI tightness, or is that down to your computer? It's something I spend a lot of time on (shifting channels +/- 1ms) and christ would I love a DAW as tight as an old Atari or even running clock from my Machinedrum...

wayfinder
Jul 7, 2003

Flipperwaldt posted:

I pine for pre-Adobe Audition.

The coolest edit

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer
look what you made me do, thread

https://soundcloud.com/yourcomputer/intro-to-bonerjamz

Startyde
Apr 19, 2007

come post with us, forever and ever and ever

This is the best thing I've seen all year.

A MIRACLE posted:

CAn someone educate me on the casino time 601?i know nothing about it, have no need for another synth but one popped up on Craigslist and I'm in love with the wood grain and buttons. Here's some pictures http://denver.craigslist.org/msg/4736170619.html

Analog percussion, awesome pewpew sound effect button, 8-note polyphonic preset synth with chord memory, switchable tremolo, vibrato, decay (iirc, maybe chorus too?nope). Synth voices are mixed squares through filters for the presets. The woodblock is amazing~ I remember liking its woolen sound but unless you want to sound like a casio organ there's not much else to it. A hundo isn't bad if it's in good shape though, I'd probably scoop it up just for the nostalgia kick. The later CT-6000 is still one of my favorite keyboards. If you end up hating it, sample it and dump it, I doubt you'd lose any money selling it.



How the gently caress is Alesis still in business


Flipperwaldt posted:

I pine for pre-Adobe Audition.

RIP Bias Peak, Opcode, et al.



No no, too sexy!

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

Startyde posted:

Analog percussion, awesome pewpew sound effect button, 8-note polyphonic preset synth with chord memory, switchable tremolo, vibrato, decay (iirc, maybe chorus too?nope). Synth voices are mixed squares through filters for the presets. The woodblock is amazing~ I remember liking its woolen sound but unless you want to sound like a casio organ there's not much else to it. A hundo isn't bad if it's in good shape though, I'd probably scoop it up just for the nostalgia kick. The later CT-6000 is still one of my favorite keyboards. If you end up hating it, sample it and dump it, I doubt you'd lose any money selling it.



If you're so inclined you could probably mod the hell out of it too.

mofolotopo
May 10, 2004

TICK STAMPEDE!!!!
Finally got around to listening to the Christmas album. Two thoughts strike me: One, my song is by far the least synthy thing on there, and two, the album as a whole is pretty freaking good.

mofolotopo
May 10, 2004

TICK STAMPEDE!!!!
And I will mos def jam some boners for the next one, and try to be more synthetic about it.

I'm thinking my (first?) track will be called Initiate gently caress Sequence.

VoodooXT
Feb 24, 2006
I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!
I've been thinking up ideas for "Boner Jamz" and one title that I brainstormed was "My D 'n Your B".

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

I spent an hour yesterday tweaking a 'squeaky bed springs' patch on my MS-20.

Best part is it doubles as 'high pitched moans and squeals', so you can sequence the bed springs and ad-lib the excitement.

What have you done to me goons

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer
dibs on this joke



(Or perhaps we should use the dry/wet knob on the album cover :wiggle:)

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx
I don't know if I'll be able to contribute this time around, but if I do I call dibs on "2 oscillators 1 sine" :shrek:

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

A Winner is Jew posted:

I don't know if I'll be able to contribute this time around, but if I do I call dibs on "2 oscillators 1 sine" :shrek:

Youve got until Feb! Plenty of time.

Dotcom Jillionaire
Jul 19, 2006

Social distortion
Well, we've already raised over $120 with the compilation and I've just posted it on Reddit today (it'll go up on Matrixsynth tomorrow) so I'm going to look at it from that perspective.

I think it would have been ideal to have more time to get everyone's input on how the mix turned out but that's a lesson for the next project. I did state my intentions and wanted people to get in touch with me if they wanted their track left untouched but better communication/more time would have made that more evident. My intention with mixing things accordingly was not to compromise any artistic vision but to bring the tracks a point where they all gelled together as an album, it wouldn't have been as strong of a package otherwise. Also as a result of adding gain to each track some tweaks were necessary, but again that's not a "my vision" thing that's just a utility thing.

I take the criticisms to heart though and I'm glad everyone is being honest about their impression and I think it's good to have it out there because it will make the next project even stronger. I'd put my faith in whoever volunteers to coordinate Boner Jamz as much as everyone put their faith into me to coordinate and produce this one.

Also does Boner Jamz remind anyone else of this?



I'm definitely up for some sensual sound making in February

Tan Dumplord
Mar 9, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
"No, no dear. I'm looking for musical inspiration"

-- Me, to my wife, as I browse YouPorn

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

E: ^^^ lol

I guess I'm gonna be the guy to ask this. What separates a boner jam from an 80's cheese track? Please set a youngin right.

a cyborg mug
Mar 8, 2010



Dotcom Jillionaire posted:

Well, we've already raised over $120 with the compilation

Nice! I mean at least a part of that is people ITT, myself included, but a whole bunch of that money has to be other people as well, unless everyone here is giving out mad amounts of money. I also posted the thing on a couple of smaller forums.


This owns. Also, now that I just got an exciting email from the Department of Teacher Education (jesus gently caress these people are a pain in the rear end to deal with :argh:), maybe I'll have some time in January to do something for the Boner Jamz after all. We'll see.

a cyborg mug fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Dec 5, 2014

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A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

toadee posted:

Youve got until Feb! Plenty of time.

Challenge accepted.

Also, you guys are hosed since I've been a legitimate fan of Lords of Acid since forever.

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