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Eiba posted:So... who likes tier lists? I think they can be pretty fun. I'm actually glad Marth and Lucina are ranking so low because if the Japanese think they're crap then they'll probably get buffed (it's what happened with Ike as far as I know). When your throws deal 3 loving percent you're pretty much doomed.
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Eiba posted:So... who likes tier lists? I think they can be pretty fun. I don't feel like Robin should be that low, but if that means he/she' might get a buff I'm all for it.
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Dec 5, 2014 21:44
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Tips for zero suit Samus? I want the complementary character for my Amibo Samus.
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Dec 5, 2014 21:45
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ChaosArgate posted:I don't feel like Robin should be that low, but if that means he/she' might get a buff I'm all for it. Robin's slow as hell with a bad grab range, and those two factors are usually pretty bad for a character's outlook.
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Dec 5, 2014 21:47
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Why is Shulk so low? I've got an 80% winrate with him over ~40 1v1 for glory matches. He's gotta be A or B tier, at least. Unless Japanese players just don't like him because :reasons:
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Dec 5, 2014 22:28
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From what I understand, Japanese tournaments almost entirely take place on Final Destination and Omega stages and MAYBE Battlefield, so that that into account when looking at the """""tier""""" list.
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Dec 5, 2014 22:37
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The best thing about Ganonforf is just loving punting people with his up smash when they try to drop in on you.
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Dec 5, 2014 22:39
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i still can't get over how they said samus was the best character in the game according to their testing at e3, lol e: tfw your main is the third worst character in the game
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Dec 5, 2014 22:41
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Kaubocks posted:From what I understand, Japanese tournaments almost entirely take place on Final Destination and Omega stages and MAYBE Battlefield, so that that into account when looking at the """""tier""""" list. So basically non-autists shouldn't pay attention to it.
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Dec 5, 2014 22:43
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Cialis Railman posted:So basically non-autists shouldn't pay attention to it. If you're just playing with friends who gives a poo poo where your character is on the list. That said it's probably still fairly accurate for the meta over here, too. Especially WRT Doc Mario, who might have the actual worst recovery in the entire game.
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Dec 5, 2014 22:49
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I don't believe Zelda is bad. That's fake and a lie. I'm kicking up a fuss!!
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Dec 5, 2014 22:52
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Well I mean I'm autistic and I like competitive Smash but even then us in NA enjoy more varied stages than pure Battlefield.
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Dec 5, 2014 22:53
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Can you take your amiibos online or use them to do 8 player brawls in this?
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Dec 5, 2014 23:05
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Kaubocks posted:Well I mean I'm autistic and I like competitive Smash but even then us in NA enjoy more varied stages than pure Battlefield. Smashville and Town & City are the Best Stages w/r/t platform layout, and if you disagree then you're just wrong. Other not-poo poo stages for competitive play include Delfino Plaza and Lylat Cruise.
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Dec 5, 2014 23:07
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Spacebump posted:Can you take your amiibos online or use them to do 8 player brawls in this? You can use Amiibos in 8-player smash, yes. I'm not sure about online, since I haven't got any yet.
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Dec 5, 2014 23:10
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DoctorWhat posted:Smashville and Town & City are the Best Stages w/r/t platform layout, and if you disagree then you're just wrong. Smashville is probably my most picked stage. However I am also an idiot and I really like Duck Hunt and Norfair. NSMBU is a good stage.
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Dec 5, 2014 23:16
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Does it matter where your character places if you're good with them? Wouldn't both you and your opponent have to play at the exact same level for it to matter at all?
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Kaubocks posted:Smashville is probably my most picked stage. However I am also an idiot and I really like Duck Hunt and Norfair. That's a weird way of typing Wooly World
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noirstronaut posted:Does it matter where your character places if you're good with them? Wouldn't both you and your opponent have to play at the exact same level for it to matter at all? Correct. Tier lists don't matter unless it's an older game with a LOT of well documented play time from a variety of high level players (think Melee or MvC2 levels of play). Also additional reminder that the graphic posted before is a tournament result list, not a tier list. All it really does is highlight which characters are easiest to abuse/difficult to counter. Someone who's low on that list could have some powerful exploit that just hasn't been discovered yet.
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So here's a strange bug that'll never really effect anyone. If you're fighting as Palutena in the Garden of Hope stage jump onto the breakable pot and when someone jumps up to get you forward/back throw them. This for whatever reason shrinks your enemy as if they got hit with a poison mushroom and you can blow them up.
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That Garden of Hope thing seems to be a more general glitch, as it can occur to Pac Man's hydrant as well.
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Dec 5, 2014 23:47
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gently caress I'm so goddamn mad, I hosed up the bucket three times in as many fights. The lag online is just enough to where I keep pulling out the bucket too late, but that doesn't excuse me missing it when it's full. I hate this flat man. I must conquer with this flat man.
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noirstronaut posted:Does it matter where your character places if you're good with them? Wouldn't both you and your opponent have to play at the exact same level for it to matter at all? Not same exact level but around the same level. Skill trumps character faults, but some character faults are more glaring than others and can prove more difficult to play around.
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noirstronaut posted:Does it matter where your character places if you're good with them? Wouldn't both you and your opponent have to play at the exact same level for it to matter at all? Well no, not really. It also denotes how much work you have to put into a character in order to get any achievable value out of them, and how much value said work gives you. For example a Olimar player will have to work much harder than anyone else to win matches against decent opponents, even if he's more skilled. This also puts a cap on the ceiling you can reach because a really good Olimar player will still have a difficult time against a really good Diddy player. And it's something even lower-skilled players can get a good feel for.
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Champeenship posted:That Garden of Hope thing seems to be a more general glitch, as it can occur to Pac Man's hydrant as well. Theory I had on it is things in the pot shrink so they don't clip (I'm pretty sure that's what happens) but Palutena's throw for some reason registers them as "inside" and shrinks them down. Also saw this floating around  Turns out Megaman has two stages  ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Dec 6, 2014 |
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pulp rag posted:Hey, been trying to find a good main, but playing against bots or doing Classic kinda makes everyone feel kinda similar. Can you fellow goons help me pick a starting point of a few characters? Dedede feels the most like a grappler to me so i'd say pick him
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Dec 6, 2014 00:47
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Thanks to whoever pointed out Greninja's shadowstep shadow. I main him, and it totally changed how I play him. Naturally told my friends leading to awesome fakeouts.
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Chef De Cuisinart posted:Why is Shulk so low? I've got an 80% winrate with him over ~40 1v1 for glory matches. He's gotta be A or B tier, at least. Unless Japanese players just don't like him because :reasons: Because the tier list has nothing to do with forums user Chef De Cuisinart's online performance.
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Dec 6, 2014 01:06
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My local game shop is starting to ramp up SSB4 casuals/tourneys. Customer: "You aren't going to put everyone in one group, are you?" Games Shop Dude: "No, we're going to separate people. There will be tiers." Me: "Yes, there will be tears."
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Dec 6, 2014 01:10
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All "Pics of the Day" in one video Not gonna lie, I choked up a bit near the end. Beautiful send-off to Pic of the Day.
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Alfalfa The Roach posted:All "Pics of the Day" in one video This is really good and the arrangement is utterly brilliant.
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Dec 6, 2014 02:47
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Do you need permission to join someone's game? I am stuck at " waiting for a response from the host"
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lol at fox, a character who dies at like 50 percent and was nerfed severely, being tier "A"
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MinibarMatchman posted:lol at fox, a character who dies at like 50 percent and was nerfed severely, being tier "A" It is not a subjective list.
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Austrian mook posted:It is not a subjective list. No, but it is a list of extremely short-term performance of people who self-selected certain characters. It's probably only vaguely accurate at generalizing outside of its own environment.
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Dec 6, 2014 04:31
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Oops everyone in For Glory just lost to my Jigglypuff and all quit afterwards Peeps can't take some tough Jigglypuff love
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MinibarMatchman posted:lol at fox, a character who dies at like 50 percent and was nerfed severely, being tier "A" I don't like fox, but I don't think he's bad in this game. He wasn't good in Brawl, and from what I understand he was actually buffed in this game, especially in the fact that his side B no longer puts you in free-fall.
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Ah, there's nothing like winning a chain of three 10x bets in a row while you do other things to brighten up your day. It really is the most efficient method to quickly earn coins. And then I just watched a guy sink his team by suiciding for the entire match...
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Here is my tier list made completely out of what I have seen people do on tournaments that i see streamed on twitch sometimes: Top: Diddy Kong, Ness, Sheik, Rosalina High: Luigi, Robin, Peach, Sonic, Duck Hunt Middle: Mario, DK, MegaMan, Villager, DeDeDe, Dark Pit, Fox I don't see any other characters on these streams, so there are none.
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