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Bicyclops posted:I also don't like Die Hard, You are wrong etc etc.
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See I disagree that Aliens is bad but I can respect that opinion, but claiming Die Hard is bad is a bridge too far.
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Dec 6, 2014 01:00
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30.5 Days posted:How many old 5+ part serials are even considered to be "classics" compared to 3 or 4 parters? The season 2 finale is the equivalent of an old 6-parter and is bloated as gently caress. Using a fairly neutral, if occasionally bollocks, source: The Doctor Who Dynamic Rankings page: The top ten serials are: 4 episodes The Caves of Androzani The Pyramids of Mars City of Death The Deadly Assassin The Robots of Death 6 episodes The Genesis of the Daleks The Talons of Weng Chiang The Seeds of Doom 7 episodes Inferno 10 episodes The War Games So a 50/50 split (although there are twice as many 4-and-fewer-parters than >4 episode serials, so >4 are doing pretty well in the "classics" stakes. In general, I suspect that the average story length is a lot higher for the top 50 or so than it is for the bottom 100. There are an awful lot of excellent longer serials, and after a quick scan through the list I can only think of fewer than 10 that are complete bobbins. There are the same number of bad shorter stories in the Sixth and Seventh Doctors' 20 odd stories alone.
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Dec 6, 2014 01:21
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Personally I thought Robots of Death was kinda disappointing, had so much promise of being an Asimov-esque tale of the robot slaves throwing off their chains by using logic to get around their laws, then turned out to just be their creator secretly sticking an ice pick in their heads. Big let-down and I'm a little surprised to see it on the top ten list.
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Dec 6, 2014 02:42
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StashAugustine posted:See I disagree that Aliens is bad but I can respect that opinion, but claiming Die Hard is bad is a bridge too far. I didn't even actually say that it was bad, I said I didn't like it, but even that makes me a pariah unfit for Christmas. 
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Dec 6, 2014 02:46
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Bicyclops posted:I didn't even actually say that it was bad, I said I didn't like it, but even that makes me a pariah unfit for Christmas. I'm with you too there, though I like Aliens so...
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Aliens is good because it stays true to the universe of Alien and expands it. The film has a different feel, because we're watching different people in a different situation, but it makes a logical sense. It's what you would expect an encounter between the military and the aliens to be. It's the same as how Terminator 2 is very different to The Terminator but it logically expands on the universe of the first.
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Dec 6, 2014 03:15
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Actually don't like Terminator 2 that much either. Cameron goin' on expanding things that work better on their own again.
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Dec 6, 2014 03:51
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Bicyclops posted:The early Doctors were bad enough at piloting the TARDIS that there wasn't really any such thing as visiting home or intentionally visiting historical events Wasn't that more of a third or fourth Doctor thing? I remember Hartnell being able to pretty much go where he wanted to.
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Dec 6, 2014 04:42
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Tiggum posted:Wasn't that more of a third or fourth Doctor thing? I remember Hartnell being able to pretty much go where he wanted to. Hartnell-Doctor was a pretty crappy pilot. The first season was essentially, "Sorry Barbara and Ian, hm, I can't steer this thing well enough to get you home. Hm." They had to steal a Dalek time machine that could be steered in order to return to modern day (well, 1965) London. Troughton, I recall, managed to steer it a few times, but it was once Pertwee got pardoned that the show let him go where he wanted.
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Dec 6, 2014 04:52
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I think in the Hartnell era the navigation controls were straight-up broken (or at least he said they were  ), so anytime they felt like going somewhere else he would just flick the switches and hope for the best.
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Tiggum posted:Wasn't that more of a third or fourth Doctor thing? I remember Hartnell being able to pretty much go where he wanted to. The fourth Doctor puts in a randomiser at one point. Naturally the first two places he goes to are Skaro and Earth.
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Dec 6, 2014 05:56
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The fourth Doctor puts in a randomiser at one point. Randomizer must have had a bad seed.  Speaking of the 4th Doctor, I recently decided to go back and watch all of Tom Baker's run. I'd seen bits and pieces back on PBS as a kid, but there's so many episodes I've never caught. Pretty above average, so far. I don't think I've seen a single episode with Leela or Romana, so meeting them will be interesting.
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gently caress WRONG THREAD SORRY
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Senor Tron posted:SPOILERS Edit that out, dude, that's a major future spoiler.
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The spoiler above is so egregious that I've got to give that idiot the benefit of the doubt and assume he got his threads crossed. This is a request to take general Who discussion back to the general Who discussion thread, which was created with general Who discussion in mind. And more importantly, where you won't be flash-fried for posting spoilers.
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Dec 6, 2014 07:29
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Yeah I had both threads open and forgot is as replying to this one, sorry. 
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Dec 6, 2014 08:58
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EvilTobaccoExec posted:Actually don't like Terminator 2 that much either. Cameron goin' on expanding things that work better on their own again. Sorry, T2 is actually the best Terminator movie 
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surc posted:Sorry, T2 is actually the best Terminator movie I mean it's only a 50/50 chance so that's not saying much (I agree though).
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Dec 6, 2014 16:54
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Slice of life: I've got the whole day free for the first time in forever, so I'm gonna catch up on Criterions, finish decorating our Christmas tree, dogsit for the first time ever, and guest on an episode of a podcast which takes a look at A Talking Cat!?! one minute at a time. Good day.
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Hewlett posted:Slice of life: I've got the whole day free for the first time in forever, so I'm gonna catch up on Criterions, finish decorating our Christmas tree, dogsit for the first time ever, and guest on an episode of a podcast which takes a look at A Talking Cat!?! one minute at a time. Good day. Speaking of crossed threads, I'm pretty sure this one is meant for the CineD general chat. All the threads are blending!
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Dec 6, 2014 17:47
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gently caress that, CineD is a toxic wasteland of bad opinions and inflated egos. No one deserves to be banished there.Toxxupation posted:I unironically agree, I really don't like aliens and it's like an hour too long on the reals Finally, a Toxx opinion that makes sense. Put me in the Alien over Aliens club too.
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Dec 6, 2014 17:48
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Who cares about the Alien franchise when Attack the Block exists
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Dec 6, 2014 17:49
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thexerox123 posted:Who cares about the Alien franchise when Attack the Block exists I don't know why anyone would care about franchises but the Alien film series has at least two great movies in it compared to the one very good one you mention.
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Dec 6, 2014 18:00
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Attack the Block is a perfect loving movie.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:gently caress that, CineD is a toxic wasteland of bad opinions and inflated egos. No one deserves to be banished there. I'm pretty sure most people prefer Alien to Aliens, its disliking the latter that makes people kick you out of the room and sit in a chair in the corner.
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Bicyclops posted:I'm pretty sure most people prefer Alien to Aliens, its disliking the latter that makes people kick you out of the room and sit in a chair in the corner. Aliens is just Alien for bros. It's such a dumb over-simplification of the original. Introducing the Colonial Marines and all that was good, but Aliens reduces one of film's greatest monsters into cannon fodder that can be taken down by a few SMG bursts. That's lame as hell.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Aliens is just Alien for bros. It's such a dumb over-simplification of the original. Introducing the Colonial Marines and all that was good, but Aliens reduces one of film's greatest monsters into cannon fodder that can be taken down by a few SMG bursts. That's lame as hell. Yeah, I do not like it. I feel like if they wanted to make an action movie with a weasel who says "Game over, man!" they did not need to make it a sequel to a very good horror film.
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That's the thing, in a vacuum Aliens is a solid action flick with a badass female hero. It's the connection to Alien that really damages it.
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30.5 Days posted:The simple fact is this: if the BBC can't actually properly length anything above 40 minutes without having problems the idea of doing serials consistently is completely insane. Especially when the best-remembered old serials are the same length as a modern one-hour special or two-parter in terms of screen time. How many old 5+ part serials are even considered to be "classics" compared to 3 or 4 parters? The season 2 finale is the equivalent of an old 6-parter and is bloated as gently caress. Putting on my infallible script-critic hat, the real problem is self-indulgence. Within Who, RTD -- the only showrunner who's in scope of this thread -- couldn't kill his darlings, or at least didn't do it often enough. Many of the episodes you list as overlong have whole scenes that could be cut out. Which is a whole parlor game in itself -- what scenes/moments would you cut from an overlong episode to make it tight? Speaking of which, is it true that the Master's magnificent entrance to the Scissor Sisters' "I Can't Decide" was cut from the DVDs due to rights issues? Because if so, that's a damned shame.
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Some really bad action movie opinions being thrown around ITT. Half expecting someone to start talking poo poo about Dredd next.
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He doesn't know how to use the three shells.
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DetoxP posted:Speaking of crossed threads, I'm pretty sure this one is meant for the CineD general chat. All the threads are blending! lol holy poo poo, yeah. THE STARS ARE GOING OUT
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EvilTobaccoExec posted:Actually don't like Terminator 2 that much either. Cameron goin' on expanding things that work better on their own again. This might be the worst opinion I've ever heard
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Big Mean Jerk posted:but Aliens reduces one of film's greatest monsters into cannon fodder that can be taken down by a few SMG bursts. That's lame as hell. It's just like how the end of Halloween ruined Halloween. Michel Myers was great, but then he just gets shot a few times by a dumpy psychiatrist. What kind of stalking, threatening innocent and weak, movie monster just gets taken out by a few bullet?
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I don't have any problems with Aliens. It's not like the aliens can't be a hive of creatures instead of a single monster, and if you're going to have a battle with a hive you're going to have fatalities on both sides. What, you wanted another near flawless win again?
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Alien and Aliens are both pretty good movies. That being said, I prefer Alien to Aliens and think that it is a more effective movie.
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I have learned my lesson about posting while half-asleep. Anyways, Alien was an excellent horror movie while Aliens was an excellent action movie.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Speaking of which, is it true that the Master's magnificent entrance to the Scissor Sisters' "I Can't Decide" was cut from the DVDs due to rights issues? Because if so, that's a damned shame. I've got the DVDs and it is still on there (thank God). I think I remember somebody saying it was cut from one of the versions put up on Netflix?
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Jerusalem posted:I've got the DVDs and it is still on there (thank God). I think I remember somebody saying it was cut from one of the versions put up on Netflix? Right, it wasn't on Netflix. It took me a while to find out what I was missing.
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