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Shinjobi posted:Controversial opinion, but I respect your right to have it. Whether you love him or hate him, you HAVE TO respect Son Goku.
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Glagha posted:Calling it, Frieza brings Cooler back to life, does a fusion dance to destroy the earth. Best idea, hire me If you hire me as an editor.
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Parrotine posted:I am somewhat dumbfounded just what kind of power up could justify trumping both androids 17 & 18, android 16, a fully powered Cell, and Majin Buu with his twenty clown forms, without breaking our suspension of disbelief. The minions wish that Freeza is "once again the strongest living being in the universe". The Dragon brings him back, making him stronger in the process. After Freezza is re-re-killed, Gohan and Piccolo marvel over the fact that they could've just used the dragonballs to power up all this time instead of training. Goku and Vegeta wish on the dragonballs that no one can ever wish for more power ever again out of childish spite. Move ends.
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Prison Warden posted:The minions wish that Freeza is "once again the strongest living being in the universe". The Dragon brings him back, making him stronger in the process. After Freezza is re-re-killed, Gohan and Piccolo marvel over the fact that they could've just used the dragonballs to power up all this time instead of training. Goku and Vegeta wish on the dragonballs that no one can ever wish for more power ever again out of childish spite. Move ends. I know this was tongue-in-cheek, but wasn't that an actual plot point during the Saiyan arc? They tried to wish the saiyans away or something, only for Shenron to go 'nope, can't kill anyone stronger than Kami' I'm guessing that you can't wish to be the strongest when the strongest would mean overpowering the guy that made the drat dragon.
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Dec 6, 2014 23:04
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Mordaedil posted:Let's not forget what the highlight of Battle of Z was. Battle of the bands, Freeza vs. Pilaf's gang, with the winner receiving the Dragon Balls.
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Dec 6, 2014 23:07
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Parrotine posted:I know this was tongue-in-cheek, but wasn't that an actual plot point during the Saiyan arc? They tried to wish the saiyans away or something, only for Shenron to go 'nope, can't kill anyone stronger than Kami' This always confused me because the power of the dragons is basically reality warping. It'd be one thing if Shenron had to go up and fight them or shoot an energy beam out of his mouth, but he could just transmute their blood into poison or teleport their brains into a black hole.
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WickedHate posted:This always confused me because the power of the dragons is basically reality warping. It'd be one thing if Shenron had to go up and fight them or shoot an energy beam out of his mouth, but he could just transmute their blood into poison or teleport their brains into a black hole. You'd think the dragon could have just destroyed their space pods, leaving them in space with no air. Don't tell me the dragons not as strong as their space pods.
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Dec 6, 2014 23:26
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CubeTheory posted:You'd think the dragon could have just destroyed their space pods, leaving them in space with no air. He doesn't even have to kill them. They could have just wished for the Saiyans to teleported to a remote corner of the universe where it would take millions of years to get to Earth.
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Parrotine posted:I know this was tongue-in-cheek, but wasn't that an actual plot point during the Saiyan arc? They tried to wish the saiyans away or something, only for Shenron to go 'nope, can't kill anyone stronger than Kami' That's always been an inconsistent rule because an almighty dragon is bound to cause problems in a series like this. He can't kill or alter (he couldn't revert 17 and 18 back to their human selves) anyone more powerful than him, yet he can resurrect anybody regardless of strength and could restore Goku to full power during the Buu saga. Neo_Crimson posted:He doesn't even have to kill them. They could have just wished for the Saiyans to teleported to a remote corner of the universe where it would take millions of years to get to Earth. Actually to teleport someone he apparently needs to ask for permission first, remember he couldn't teleport Goku back to Earth after Namek because the didn't want to.
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There's a fun webcomic to be had out of things that the dragon could have done at various points in the show but for whatever reason didn't.
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Petiso posted:That's always been an inconsistent rule because an almighty dragon is bound to cause problems in a series like this. Not really, he teleported everyone on Namek while it was blowing up back to earth and Vegeta certainly had no say in it. The dragon just does whatever the gently caress it wants and dismisses anything it doesn't feel like doing as "uhh that's against Dragon Law"
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g0lbez posted:Not really, he teleported everyone on Namek while it was blowing up back to earth and Vegeta certainly had no say in it. The dragon just does whatever the gently caress it wants and dismisses anything it doesn't feel like doing as "uhh that's against Dragon Law" Shenron revived everyone on Namek, but Porunga did the mass-teleport-whether-you-want-to-or-not. Porunga also grants 3 wishes at a time and is buff as hell, I think it can do a bit more than Shenron (other than mass-revivals).
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Archenteron posted:Shenron revived everyone on Namek, but Porunga did the mass-teleport-whether-you-want-to-or-not. Porunga also grants 3 wishes at a time and is buff as hell, I think it can do a bit more than Shenron (other than mass-revivals). He gets mass-revivals in the Buu saga.
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Really the Dragon existing and the ease to which they can get the balls makes all the main characters dicks, they should be using those 7 years after Cell to wish away all disease and famine and all sorts of other poo poo because why not.
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Either Frieza becomes the new god of destruction or he was promoted to lord of the underworld after Dabura kicked the bucket. Either that or the green sludge dripping off of him in the trailer is some sort of plot device that he took a bath i- Ah gently caress.
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Hobo Siege posted:Either Frieza becomes the new god of destruction or he was promoted to lord of the underworld after Dabura kicked the bucket. Either that or the green sludge dripping off of him in the trailer is some sort of plot device that he took a bath i- Ah gently caress. It's the Lazarus Pit
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Half of Dracula posted:It's the Lazarus Pit We can solve this though. Everyone knows Superman versus Goku and then you have Superman versus Batman. so if we solve those equations then we can determine who wins in Goku versus Batman!
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Hobo Siege posted:Either Frieza becomes the new god of destruction or he was promoted to lord of the underworld after Dabura kicked the bucket. Either that or the green sludge dripping off of him in the trailer is some sort of plot device that he took a bath i- Ah gently caress. I don't think the underworld is the same thing as the afterlife.
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Stallion Cabana posted:so if we solve those equations then we can determine who wins in Goku versus Batman!
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bowmore posted:Well it would be Goku because he doesn't have that pesky weakness to kryptonite Alfred could cook Goku a buffet of fine food while Batman set up a trap Actually, Batman trying to kill Goku in the same way Mr. Satan tried to kill Buu would be a fun little one-off.
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Oh yes food, Goku's only weakness (but also his strength)
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I should note that Beerus (Who is a pretty good judge for stuff like this.) Said that he seriously doubted that Goku could have beaten Freeza in his base form when they first met.
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MonsterEnvy posted:I should note that Beerus (Who is a pretty good judge for stuff like this.) Said that he seriously doubted that Goku could have beaten Freeza in his base form when they first met. To be fair that was with Goku at about as low as he could go without being weakened somehow. If they pull something like Frieza just not using his final form on Namek the new movie can go gently caress itself though
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TheKingofSprings posted:To be fair that was with Goku at about as low as he could go without being weakened somehow. There's no loving way they do that. Freeza conned Goku into letting him get to "100%" to begin with, it'd be the stupidest goddamn thing if suddenly he was never at his max power as some stupid-rear end long con. As you can tell I'd be equally upset.
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TheKingofSprings posted:If they pull something like Frieza just not using his final form on Namek the new movie can go gently caress itself though. 
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:if the design is good I probably won't care much. Toriyama has made it pretty clear he's more or less over major transformations. Remember that God Goku is literally just Goku with red hair. Freeza's new form will be the same as his fourth, but with red orbs instead of purple.
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Esroc posted:Toriyama has made it pretty clear he's more or less over major transformations. Remember that God Goku is literally just Goku with red hair. Freeza's new form will be the same as his fourth, but with red orbs instead of purple. God Goku is actually slimmer than regular Goku!  I can see Freeza getting some big complex final final form and it ends up being his undoing, ending the film with a clear "transformations are dumb, you nerds" message.
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Sadly, in this case Toriyama is dead wrong. Transformations are fun and throwing all the Super Saiyan stuff to the wayside is an over reaction.
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Good old gohan still not using Mystic form at all or forgetting about it entirely.
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SirDrone posted:Good old gohan still not using Mystic form at all or forgetting about it entirely. That's not a "form" though. It's purely Gohan's inner potential brought forth via magic ritual, no transformations or augments. It's unclear how long this magic lasts and it's entirely possible it simply fades away after awhile, re-locking Gohan's potential for him to awaken on his own merits, which he never does since he doesn't train.
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TriffTshngo posted:That's not a "form" though. It's purely Gohan's inner potential brought forth via magic ritual, no transformations or augments. It's unclear how long this magic lasts and it's entirely possible it simply fades away after awhile, re-locking Gohan's potential for him to awaken on his own merits, which he never does since he doesn't train. Again. Honestly, I complete agree that transformation got incredible stale after SSJ, but Toriyama replaced it with he one gimmick that was actually more played out by that point.
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I dunno, you'd kind of expect a god to be able to draw out more inner potential than some old guy. Especially when the old guy took like a minute while the god has a whole ritual going on.
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BlitzBlast posted:I dunno, you'd kind of expect a god to be able to draw out more inner potential than some old guy. Especially when the old guy took like a minute while the god has a whole ritual going on. Well the god was also some old guy. Also din't he finish the ritual then forget to tell Gohan he actually finished it or am I not remembering correctly.
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e X posted:Again. Honestly, I complete agree that transformation got incredible stale after SSJ, but Toriyama replaced it with he one gimmick that was actually more played out by that point. Gohan having more power to use will never ever get stale. I'd love it if the next movie just had someone go "nope turns out Gohan's still got more energy left to bring out" and then bam he's stronger than God Goku.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Gohan having more power to use will never ever get stale. Then he forgets it next movie and it's back to God Goku
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I don't know if it ever came up before in this thread, but I recently came across a series on youtube, Dragonball Dissection, that takes an extended look at the manga, it's creation process, behind the scenes info and where various elements came from (and disappeared to), while also giving a personal critic. It updates rather irregular, but at the moment, it is up to the 23rd budokai arc. It can be a little bit on the fanboy-y side, but it still drat interesting and informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRZamDg_Dw4
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TheKingofSprings posted:Gohan having more power to use will never ever get stale. This will only happen in an OVA where an overprotective Gohan confront's Pan's first boyfriend.
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God Goku is a great user name. Also I could not care less about what's going on in the current DBM special
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facebook jihad posted:Also I could not care less about what's going on in the current DBM special Well do I have a surprise for you! DBM posted:Until the end of the special chapter, we'll release a minicomic on monday instead of a page! I'm not thrilled with these developments.
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Beautiful Ninja posted:This will only happen in an OVA where an overprotective Gohan confront's Pan's first boyfriend. I would unironically watch that.
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