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Careful Drums posted:Ehh.. I don't know jack about that kind of stuff so I'm gonna guess it wouldn't. The specs are disappointing (no mechanical shutter, no xenon flash) I'll be switching to iPhone next year when the S comes out.
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LentThem posted:Was the reasoning for this something like "Every time one of these other services (twitter/linkedin/facebook) changes their APIs, the hub is broken until the next OS update, but if we split these into separate apps then things can be updated quickly"? For the people hub changes, for example there were multiple additionally reasons. For example the Facebook chat system (XMPP) that we hooked into was deprecated and slated for removal. There was no replacement. Another reason is people have been "trained" to look for apps. It didn't matter that it was all rolled into one, people kept looking for app X because that's how other platforms did it. Another problem is the behind the scenes "war" that's going on. All the social companies right now are in a cold war trying to bring people into there ecosystems and lock them there. They want people to be hooked into there system and only be able to use their products/apps to interface with the system for control and monetization reasons. You can see this with Facebook and it's messenger system (which I won't be surprised if it becomes pure Whatsapp later). You see this with Twitter blocking 3rd party clients when they reach a certain size (unless they start paying for access). You see it with iMessage. Mobile is exploding with growth -- this isn't ground floor but more like "level 2, going up" and companies are doing a mad rush to stake claims. Knowing this, if you're just trying to quickly grab as much share to lock in your ecosystem, I can understand the thought process that leads them to just spit out a system on Android/iOS, and then block any access to the system from a competitor/3rd party app that might lower your ad revenue/distort your "vision" of how the service works. Listen to any stock/company analyst talk about Facebook/Twitter/Snapchat/etc and I'm sure you'll hear "are they growing users, are monetizing mobile that growth, etc" and it's pretty easy to trace back why things are happening like they are.
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Factor Mystic posted:1. Why did Music get progressively worse from WP7 => 7.8 => 8.0 => 8.1? 2. For awhile they didn't directly make handsets, when they didn't they got a steady drip of new flagships (Focus, 800, 900, 920, 930). Since they took over I just don't think they feel it's worth it, or at least they are waiting to announce a new flagship alongside WP10. 3. Because it was never true, it was never possible. Carriers block OTA updates PERIOD there are no exceptions. Apple doesn't get blocked because Apple works with the carriers months in advance and it would be too embarrassing for an iOS update to go on every US carrier except one. This is also the only sane method as a broken OTA results in a phone returned/service cancelled to the store not to the OEM. Why would a carrier let you sell a phone that could be bricked at will and incur the damage to them directly. That aside they did create the developer program letting you flash ahead of time. That has worked, but that will usually only work on GSM carriers anyway because activation on CDMA (Verizon, Sprint, and handful (like 5) international carriers) requires software.
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Factor Mystic posted:... an official position that Microsoft has decided to try and compete primarily on the basis of price rather than the basis of quality. Probably with the hope that low price alone will drive sales and increase market share. Focusing on low prices, while also having low sales volumes, means low revenue. Which means more ruthless evaluation of priorities around this perspective. Which means quality becomes optional. Which means a low quality product is acceptable to release... Furthermore I think the push towards cheaper prices is a misinterpretation of why the 520 was so successful. It wasn't just price, it was quality for the price. The 530 leveraged that model, not by attempting to improve quality but by slashing this in an effort to be even cheaper. I think the calculus there was wrong and hopefully the 535 is Microsoft recognizing this.
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Stick100 posted:1. They've never invested heavily in the software team of WP. WP7 was made by just a handful of people, since it never took off they never brought in the big teams. Stick100 posted:3. Because it was never true, it was never possible. Carriers block OTA updates PERIOD there are no exceptions. Apple doesn't get blocked because Apple works with the carriers months in advance and it would be too embarrassing for an iOS update to go on every US carrier except one. This is also the only sane method as a broken OTA results in a phone returned/service cancelled to the store not to the OEM. Why would a carrier let you sell a phone that could be bricked at will and incur the damage to them directly.
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Dec 4, 2014 23:06
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Cheesus posted:Please don't tell my 900 that the Facebook API changed, Microsoft!  900 buddy.
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Dec 5, 2014 01:16
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So VLC for Windows Phone finally got released today... In a private beta. So hope you all signed up  . If you did get in and you're wondering why music stops in the background, it's because they did not add support for it yet. I tried to, but ran I to massive roadblocks with their library and the Windows Phone Audio API. Their solution was to ignore it and just release. The video portion does work well at least.
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I must be MS's target market. I don't listen to music and don't care much about apps. Clearly what WP needs to succeed is for everyone to be more like me.
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Presto posted:I must be MS's target market. I don't listen to music and don't care much about apps. Clearly what WP needs to succeed is for everyone to be more like me. People buying smartphones that only use them like feature phones? 
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Captain Capacitor posted:Podcast Lounge. Thanks! I'm already finding a lot of podcasts that wouldn't show up with the default podcast search.
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Dec 5, 2014 02:52
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xylo posted:This is not an accurate statement. Inadequate doesn't mean wrong. If the WP mouthpieces would be more honest and forthcoming instead of pretending that all is well, then people wouldn't make inadequate statements. Drastic Actions posted:If you did get in and you're wondering why music stops in the background, it's because they did not add support for it yet. I'm not in the beta but it sounds like they're about to discover that to write a marginally useful music app you have to actually write two programs.
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Factor Mystic posted:Inadequate doesn't mean wrong. If the WP mouthpieces would be more honest and forthcoming instead of pretending that all is well, then people wouldn't make inadequate statements. I don't think you're going to find any of them saying "Xbox Music came out great" -- I'm pretty sure they've been saying "yeah this isn't good -- we're fixing it by doing a rapid release cycle." That doesn't mean they've been able to address everything, but clearly the spending time fixing that, pushing the dev preview program, getting apps like instagram/pandora/etc is acknowledgement there is work to be done. Note I'm not saying it's all good and endorse it -- I'm just saying "this is the reality and it sucks but sometimes you have to make do behind the scenes to fix things without talking much." As far as communication, the fact that we're doing Windows 10 pretty openly and letting people participate like this should be a clear sign that we agree with the communication issue and are heading in the right direction.
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Dec 5, 2014 03:15
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xylo posted:I didn't say it was wrong. I would love for the "mouthpieces" to just come out and say the real story. However if they did that and the ugly truth was revealed it would make some parties look pretty bad. And people don't like to look bad in public. That would damage business relationships and make things even harder then they are. I'm glad you post here, xylo. I really do hope things are changing. I have to have a WP device for work, and it's good to know the team working on it believes in the platform.
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Dec 5, 2014 03:50
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xylo posted:I didn't say it was wrong. I would love for the "mouthpieces" to just come out and say the real story. However if they did that and the ugly truth was revealed it would make some parties look pretty bad. And people don't like to look bad in public. That would damage business relationships and make things even harder then they are. I'd like to echo the sentiment of appreciation for xylo's posting. Most of the windows phone forums these days are pretty miserable places and that's partially because a lot of the early adopters and fans are really apprehensions about the future of the platform. This mostly comes from a desire for the platform to succeed although it can seem quite a bit more negative than that. Any information from official or semi-official sources that Microsoft remains dedicated to the platform and making it better is really helpful.
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Dec 5, 2014 06:00
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CalvinandHobbes posted:Most of the windows phone forums these days are pretty miserable places and that's partially because a lot of the early adopters and fans are really apprehensions about the future of the platform. This mostly comes from a desire for the platform to succeed although it can seem quite a bit more negative than that. All that aside, I strongly encourage anyone to use the windows feedback app on Win10. We have a whole team dedcated to just curating feedback from that and making sure what people are voting for gets priority feature wise, and I'm watching the bugs people find get pushed up tot he teams for fixing. It really is your voice to be heard by the team. Okay enough shilling. 
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xylo, is there any word yet on whether the DP program will extend into a WP10 beta as well, or will we have to wait until WP10 officially launches before the DP starts getting the rapid release updates?
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My problem with Xylo posting here is that all the questions I want to ask are questions he's probably not allowed to answer (seriously though I really appreciate your posts here)
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xylo posted:Touching on this, I think many people are rightfully unhappy that we appear to have gone slow. With all the work that we've had to do with taking on the Windows kernel and convergence it's taken a lot of effort meaning there isn't much flashy for people to see up front. On the flip side I certainly can't stand lovely sites like wmpoweruser and can get barely tolerate wpcentral. It's pretty important to acknowledged the flaws so you know where you need to focus to get them fixed. At the same token, some of the bad need to be framed with some context -- normally this helps make it (and any waiting for a fix) a bit more tolerable. I think the frustration (at least mine) comes from not being convinced in the MS strategy to begin with. Spending 2+ years working on "convergence" while giving users very few compelling features they actually want to use, while Android and iOS make further gains in those areas, just mean that once Windows 10 is ~*unified*~ nobody will even care anymore. They'll all be on iOS and Android. (iOS's Continuity/hand-off setup, btw, does exactly what users actually care about and they made it happen without telegraphing it for 3 years.) It's hard to understand why a company as big as MS, who supposedly understands how critical mobile is for its future, can't fix things that are broken (what users care about) while doing backend convergence stuff (what users don't care about) at the same time.
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xylo posted:Okay enough shilling. Please keep shilling, we need the good vibes. I come across as overly critical of WP but really do believe in the possibility of the platform. Honestly once W10 allows metro apps to run in Windows and we get complete convergence between desktop and WP we might be able to turn WP around. As a desktop user, I installed a start button disabled hot corners and haven't used a Metro app intentionally except for developing mine own ever. Metro apps in real windows goes a long way toward potentially replacing WPF as a first class desktop development platform. I'm a dedicated C# developer (WPF, Silverlight, WP 7 8, Metro, ASP.Net, Xamarin (Android)) I really believe in MS software although have been completely underwhelmed by MS services (Azuze, TFS Online, WP/Win Store services including the store and dashboard.) MS services just run slower and are less reliable than Amazon or Google by large margins. I can make a pretty compelling argument that Visual Studio/Resharper/C# is the best programming environment by a long shot and .Net / XAML is incredibly well put together. MS hasn't really done anything wrong, almost all of the suggestions have been attempted it's just really hard to break in as a second OS. Just ask Mac users, it's a serious viable alternative with great hardware/software/services for at least 6 years and only very slowly is reaching mainstream.
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LifeSizePotato posted:I think the frustration (at least mine) comes from not being convinced in the MS strategy to begin with. Spending 2+ years working on "convergence" while giving users very few compelling features they actually want to use, while Android and iOS make further gains in those areas, just mean that once Windows 10 is ~*unified*~ nobody will even care anymore. They'll all be on iOS and Android. (iOS's Continuity/hand-off setup, btw, does exactly what users actually care about and they made it happen without telegraphing it for 3 years.) This - there's no point focussing on a bright future horizon if no-one's coming with you. "Trust me it'll be awesome" doesn't work. Show me, motherfucker!
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LifeSizePotato posted:I think the frustration (at least mine) comes from not being convinced in the MS strategy to begin with. Spending 2+ years working on "convergence" while giving users very few compelling features they actually want to use, while Android and iOS make further gains in those areas, just mean that once Windows 10 is ~*unified*~ nobody will even care anymore. They'll all be on iOS and Android. (iOS's Continuity/hand-off setup, btw, does exactly what users actually care about and they made it happen without telegraphing it for 3 years.) To be fair I think the convergence stuff is important to provide developer incentive for bringing apps to WP. Windows 10 will probably gain a lot more footprint than 8/8.1 did, making it a more important target, and if you're developing apps for that you might as well do the comparatively little work required to push it to Windows Phone as well. That being said I am going to echo that I'm really unhappy with them abandoning the really drat good features that used to be differentiators. Taking a pic, quickly tagging people and uploading to Facebook used to be a genuinely great experience in WP7. I tried it again recently and it launched into the Facebook app, which wouldn't be bad if the app wasn't utter poo poo. It's basically just a thing a reasonable person won't do in Windows Phone anymore. They dropped Bing Vision, a marquee feature from 7.5. They've stopped developing good fisrt-party games. Remember those? Tentacles? Coin Golf? They don't even run on the new phones. Instead of opening up messaging to more apps with APIs they just said fuckit and made it SMS/MMS only. I just don't understand the end game here. Woah great. Windows Phone now has the same feature set as iOS and Android. So does iOS and Android, though.
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AtomD posted:To be fair I think the convergence stuff is important to provide developer incentive for bringing apps to WP. Windows 10 will probably gain a lot more footprint than 8/8.1 did, making it a more important target, and if you're developing apps for that you might as well do the comparatively little work required to push it to Windows Phone as well. I think a much bigger incentive is actually having users. Users that you're not going to get by sitting on your hands saying "Just you wait, guys, it's gonna be awesome! For real this time!" while iOS and Android continue to leapfrog your catchup products. quote:Woah great. Windows Phone now has the same feature set as iOS and Android from 2 years ago. ftfy
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Stick100 posted:Please keep shilling, we need the good vibes. Seconded. Provide updates of anything you can, xylo. At least you guys are aware of what's going on with the mobile side of things.
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LifeSizePotato posted:I think a much bigger incentive is actually having users. Users that you're not going to get by sitting on your hands saying "Just you wait, guys, it's gonna be awesome! For real this time!" while iOS and Android continue to leapfrog your catchup products. More than anything, you're not going to get users without apps. I'm just saying I think that's why they prioritized the kernel switch and universal apps, so that they could piggyback on Windows' (for PCs)userbase to get apps onto Phone. Though I definitely agree with you that I'd love to see MS push features to the core OS faster.
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More than anything we need new US-tier phones. I would be purchasing a new phone right now if there were a phone on AT&T for me to purchase. I'd be doing the same for my mom who's on Verizon if the Icon wasn't canceled early for some mysterious reason. Basically if you want people to buy phones you have to make some phones 
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loquacius posted:More than anything we need new US-tier phones. I would be purchasing a new phone right now if there were a phone on AT&T for me to purchase. I'd be doing the same for my mom who's on Verizon if the Icon wasn't canceled early for some mysterious reason. I can't get over how the Icon went from being released --> being the coolest, most awesome Windows Phone Verizon had --> being discontinued all in the span of about nine months, and I'm still on Lumia Black + the 8.1 developer preview. I'm about past the point of caring since the phone does everything I want it to do and still looks snazzy considering everything thankfully. gently caress Verizon is what I'm trying to say.
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My dev preview phone (that also has cyan) pushed an update to me and it includes a cellular data toggle for the notification center!  Battery saver looks pretty neat too.
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LifeSizePotato posted:nobody will even care anymore. They'll all be on iOS and Android
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FRINGE posted:I know a lot of people that are sick of their iCrap but are scared of Android. If MS can solve that they will have a lot of people interested. This is kind of why I tried Windows Phone in the first place. I am trying as hard as I can to avoid everything google, and Apple has started to leave a really bad taste in my mouth. So my options were Jolla (too expensive), BlackBerry (expensive, though I'd still consider it for the keyboard), and Windows Phone (could buy a used one cheap to play with). I don't use a ton of apps, but what I really miss are the small conveniences. Say what you will about Apple, but they do go the extra mile in making day-to-day use as slick as possible. The flashlight example from earlier is a good one: I only need the flashlight once every week or so, but when I do need it and it takes me a few seconds more to get it working it just bugs me.
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I got into the VLC beta, but I didn't have any videos stored on my phone and ran into an issue... How do I browse to an SMB share on my network to copy a file over? I'm using the 8.1 developer update if that makes a difference. (And in fact I've only used that - apparently you didn't used to be able to move apps over to SD at-will?)
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I just wish that the Icon going off Verizon meant that AT&T would get a 930 or something, and updates.
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loquacius posted:More than anything we need new US-tier phones. I would be purchasing a new phone right now if there were a phone on AT&T for me to purchase. I'd be doing the same for my mom who's on Verizon if the Icon wasn't canceled early for some mysterious reason. Yeah, I think people are misjudging even their own feelings about this aspect to some extent, the lack of a more current flagship makes all other issues stand out. I certainly am wavering more and more as my 920 has a pretty scratched up camera lens now, and though the 930 is good it feels very much at the end of its cycle despite no new cycle being in sight.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:Yeah, I think people are misjudging even their own feelings about this aspect to some extent, the lack of a more current flagship makes all other issues stand out. I certainly am wavering more and more as my 920 has a pretty scratched up camera lens now, and though the 930 is good it feels very much at the end of its cycle despite no new cycle being in sight. I have two 1020s and five 920s on my family account. Nobody is upgrading, everyone is holding out but we've been sitting on upgrades for so long. Even the 1020s only happened because two 920s broke and all they had to insurance replace was 1020s. The 830 was so close to being perfect, just too slow and amoled would've been nicer. We got back QI and glance but they had to make it slow/lower res. 
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This came up a little while ago - the weird fading on music playback seems to be a new alarm-while-headphones bug. My 920 went crackle and dropped one of the ears (L or R? I can't recall). This 1520 does the weird subtle fading. I don't know if this is a WP8, 8.1, dev Preview, etc. issue, or whether it's hardware. Too many variables. Either way I noticed it immediately after my mid-afternoon alarm (13:37, hey-oh). A restart fixed it. Caveat: I haven't tried recreating it, I got better poo poo to do.
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Also, I forgot to mention my 900 can't connect to my Windows 8 machine (even to charge). It constantly disconnects/reconnects, and whenever Zune is running it keeps locking itself every few seconds, Zune prompts for an unlock, and the process repeats. Why do I have a Windows phone again?
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LentThem posted:-Why are so many apps absolutely hosed when it comes to doing anything in the background? Today I remembered that I needed to update my offline maps, so I went to Settings > Applications > Maps > Check for update. After a while it finds the 200MB update, so I hit install and walk away from the phone while it's downloading the updated maps. After 3 minutes of inactivity, the screen locks (my setting). I think to myself "Fine, it will just keep downloading in the background." I come back 30 minutes later, unlock the phone, and am greeted with: quote:Checking for updates. . . . <long delay while it checks> gently caress you phone, I'm not babysitting you to keep the screen active while you blow 20-30 minutes downloading an update. LentThem fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Dec 7, 2014 |
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Does anybody use multiple email accounts on their Windows Phone? I just set up a second one on my phone and I can't really tell how to switch between inboxes.
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TopherCStone posted:Does anybody use multiple email accounts on their Windows Phone? I just set up a second one on my phone and I can't really tell how to switch between inboxes. I have two and have had three accounts (all Google hosted) set up on my phone. It has simply created a separate tile for each account automatically. They also show up as separate items on the "all apps" list.
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