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Skinty McEdger posted:Punk gonna sell some tickets, and possibly make Bisping have a meltdown along the way. I don't see how anyone (other than CM Punks swollen brain) are going to lose out of this. This contract with the UFC is almost certainly a far better alternative for his swollen brain than being a wrestler again. Especially if you listened to the podcast where he talked about how he passed their bullshit concussion test while he clearly had a concussion.
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Bundt Cake posted:no one feels insecure about mma. no one is going to be upset if cm punk wins a fight or is good. Not really an MMA guy but wasn't there a bunch of MMA fans throwing hissyfits when Brock was champion?
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Dec 7, 2014 19:07
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FullLeatherJacket posted:reminder that PRIDE once decided that a good matchup would be Alberto Del Rio vs loving Crocop Yuji Nagata had two MMA fights. His opponents were Cro Cop and Fedor.
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Dec 7, 2014 19:09
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Actually the best for is that Punk copies the fighting style of Jushin "Thunder" Liger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGiIc50-SEc Forward flip heel kick opening gambit all the way.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Not really an MMA guy but wasn't there a bunch of MMA fans throwing hissyfits when Brock was champion? a lot of people hated brock but I think it had more to do with his personality than anything I only know of CM punk because he was on WTF. He seems like a cool person not a crazy egomaniac millionaire living out a woodsman fantasy in a log mansion with his fake titted wife Bundt Cake fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Dec 7, 2014 |
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Gonzo McFee posted:Not really an MMA guy but wasn't there a bunch of MMA fans throwing hissyfits when Brock was champion? I think their main issue was, if I remember right, he was pushed right to the front of the line, which is a valid thing to think is bullshit. Punk is, at the lest, working his way up, so I really doubt people will care if he actually works his way up.
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Dec 7, 2014 19:13
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Dec 7, 2014 19:14
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CM Punk vs Yoga Instructor from TUF: China. Calling it.
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The Duck of Death posted:Yuji Nagata had two MMA fights. His opponents were Cro Cop and Fedor. The crazy thing about that is that those were both put on by Inoki himself who somehow thought it was a good idea to feed one of his top guys to those two.
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Dec 7, 2014 19:16
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It probably would have served Brock a lot better if he hadn't been pushed right to the top of the line. It really says a lot for him that he *still* managed to do as well as he did while basically fighting top-ish guys and learning as he went. Dude's a freak.
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EugeneJ posted:Doesn't D-Bry have more MMA training than Punk There was an interview with him a ways back (like maybe 2010?) where he was asked about this and he said he participated in a small grappling tourney and did pretty good but that his striking is dog poo poo so he wouldn't ever do mma because it'd be really dumb. I tried looking for it but can't find the specific one I'm thinking of. Here's one from 2012 where he talks about MMA for the first few questions. Basically says he'd rather not get punched in the face once he's done with pro wrestling but would do a lot of grappling tournaments. It'd be really cool to see him at Metamoris some day.
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DeathChicken posted:It probably would have served Brock a lot better if he hadn't been pushed right to the top of the line. It really says a lot for him that he *still* managed to do as well as he did while basically fighting top-ish guys and learning as he went. Dude's a freak. Again not much of a MMA guy, but from watching his fights his style was "Be a gigantic freak of nature, sit on my opponents and hit them until they stop moving" yes?
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DeathChicken posted:It probably would have served Brock a lot better if he hadn't been pushed right to the top of the line. It really says a lot for him that he *still* managed to do as well as he did while basically fighting top-ish guys and learning as he went. Dude's a freak. Wow all this and you manage to gloss over his conquering of the Undertaker's undefeated streak at Wrestlemania.
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DeathChicken posted:It probably would have served Brock a lot better if he hadn't been pushed right to the top of the line. It really says a lot for him that he *still* managed to do as well as he did while basically fighting top-ish guys and learning as he went. Dude's a freak. Yea it was a lovely move from a political perspective but can't say he didn't prove he was at that level at least.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Again not much of a MMA guy, but from watching his fights his style was "Be a gigantic freak of nature, sit on my opponents and hit them until they stop moving" yes? More or less his style was 'I'm a big monster' yea. Like, I'm sure a way bigger MMA fan than me (not hard at all to be) can breakdown exactly what made his stuff work but his strat of 'be a big man who crushes people' worked fairly well!
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Gonzo McFee posted:Again not much of a MMA guy, but from watching his fights his style was "Be a gigantic freak of nature, sit on my opponents and hit them until they stop moving" yes? That's hard to do though against guys he was fighting.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Again not much of a MMA guy, but from watching his fights his style was "Be a gigantic freak of nature, sit on my opponents and hit them until they stop moving" yes? He didnt really know how to strike, but he was legitimately fast and strong as gently caress with his shots and there is plenty of precedent for a big strong guy like that to not only be successful but respected in MMA at heavyweight. Tom Erikson, Mark KErr, etc. They didn't have a lot of experience either and weren't any good standing. Heavyweight just isnt a deep division, and guys can burn out fast, and so natural talent and technique go a long way. Just having that outstanding wrestling background made him a real fighter. Of course there were other, better fighters with physical advantages, great technique, and even better training and wrestling that brock. I mean your impression is sort of right, but thats a real legit way to be at 206+ lbs
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Tatum Girlparts posted:More or less his style was 'I'm a big monster' yea. Like, I'm sure a way bigger MMA fan than me (not hard at all to be) can breakdown exactly what made his stuff work but his strat of 'be a big man who crushes people' worked fairly well! He was a freak athlete who was a good wrestler and picked poo poo up fast but he didn't react well to getting hit.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Again not much of a MMA guy, but from watching his fights his style was "Be a gigantic freak of nature, sit on my opponents and hit them until they stop moving" yes? he had a good shooting takedown and his top game on the ground seemed legitimately quite good after he fixed it up after losing to frank mir. his wrestling was far from unstoppable though and was stuffed by a d3 college wrestler doing mma part time and a fragile dutch roidman. his standup was laughably bad
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Dangersim posted:He was a freak athlete who was a good wrestler and picked poo poo up fast but he didn't react well to getting hit. In his defense I don't react well to getting hit either. I've been known to shout swear words and sob uncontrollably.
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Brock being a physical freak was a big part of his success obviously, but being the second-best (amateur) wrestler in the heavyweight division was a necessary component. Even with extremely rudimentary striking he was able to bulldog almost everybody down to the mat, which has been pretty much the most valuable skill in mma since UFC 10 or so.
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Brock was really sent into the deep end after his first fight. I mean a 1-0 fighter going up against Frank Mir is loving insane. That he ended up beating Mir just a few fights later in the rematch is a testament to just what an athletic freak that guy is. Punk would ideally be fighting 0-0 fighters out of China or something for his first like 3 or 4 fights before he gets to fight a redneck bar fighter.
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Dangersim posted:He was a freak athlete who was a good wrestler and picked poo poo up fast but he didn't react well to getting hit. Nifty. I know this is exactly what the plan was but this kinda probably could push me from 'casual fan who only watches fights when his buddies buy them and tell him they're going to be good' to someone who actually watches UFC somewhat often. I guess it helps that I care about more things than CM Punk being in it, though.
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Dec 7, 2014 19:29
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I hope the find that fat confused guy who nearly beat Batista with little to no notice for the fight.
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I hope Donald Cerrone makes fun of this guy for not drinking.
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A Punk fight is going to do way more money than an Askren fight therefore Punk is better than Funky QED
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Thauros posted:I know you've hated Punk for years and it's fair to dislike the fact that a beat up pro wrestler with no legit background is getting a shot over dudes with far better credentials due to name value. I know "why" they did/are doing it, I absolutely hate it and don't think it's comparable to Brock who had an extremely strong wrestling pedigree It's a bitch move that sounds like something out of the Strikeforce/Bellator play book
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Dec 7, 2014 19:53
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Yuriy posted:I know "why" they did/are doing it, I absolutely hate it and don't think it's comparable to Brock who had an extremely strong wrestling pedigree Pride never dies.
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Yuriy posted:I know "why" they did/are doing it, I absolutely hate it and don't think it's comparable to Brock who had an extremely strong wrestling pedigree
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TheRationalRedditor posted:There's so little at stake and there will be huge viewership gains for both the UFC and CM Punk, so it's a brilliant business move. Worst comes to worst, he loses badly as a 37 year old guy who isn't an MMA veteran. It couldn't possibly be more embarrassing than Kimbo vs. Houston Alexander or James Toney vs. Couture, or as torturously unwatchable as Rin Nakai's debut. Its a good, funny thing. Yeah, it's a weird thing to get upset about
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TheRationalRedditor posted:There's so little at stake and there will be huge viewership gains for both the UFC and CM Punk, so it's a brilliant business move. Worst comes to worst, he loses badly as a 37 year old guy who isn't an MMA veteran. It couldn't possibly be more embarrassing than Kimbo vs. Houston Alexander or James Toney vs. Couture, or as torturously unwatchable as Rin Nakai's debut. Its a good, funny thing. Somehow Kimbo Slice had a better resume than CM Punk, think about that. It's a good thing in that it should get some extra eyes on the UFC but it's really bad in the way that this guy's credentials appear to be "Friends With A Gracie" and "Fake Fought Since 18"
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Dec 7, 2014 20:04
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Maybe Punk will actually hit a decent GTS
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It's not something anyone should actually get upset about, it is weird though
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Detroit_Dogg posted:It's a good thing in that it should get some extra eyes on the UFC but it's really bad in the way that this guy's credentials appear to be "Friends With A Gracie" and "Fake Fought Since 18" These are basically Rin Nakai's credentials except replace "Gracie" with "Yakuza" and "friends with" with "enslaved by", so at least there's precedent
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Rin Nakai shouldn't be in the UFC either, but I guess I'll suffer through her attempts to fight if it means she doesn't end up in some weird Saw scenario for another day.
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DEAR RICHARD posted:Maybe Punk will actually hit a decent GTS This is even more far fetched than people thinking he might win
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Spermgod posted:it must suck to be really invested in the idea of mma as a pure sport There is no such thing, all sports exist purely for entertainment
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Spermgod posted:it must suck to be really invested in the idea of mma as a pure sport It is basically just Shoot Pro Wrestling and as worked Pro Wrestling has taught us we do not get invested in Pro Wrestling.
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