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Duke Chin posted:Thanks, I'll check them out. This one too: http://www.amazon.com/Anything-Anywhere-Anytime-Tactical-Airlift/dp/1468505637 Spends a good deal on the Herc, but also other MAC operations from WW2 to Vietnam. Ardeem posted:I wonder what the one pilot did to get a tiger striped drop tank. Probably was that squadron's representative at the Tiger Meet that year: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Tiger_Association
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Wombot posted:Does Sea-Tac ever land two airliners side by side on parallel runways? Last night, at 8:42pm, I was driving south on I5 just north of Boeing Field and saw two large aircraft, ostensibly in the approach pattern for SEA, flying in formation about 5 wing spans apart and directly abeam. The marker lights were the exact same for both. Very frequently. Sort of the point of multiple parallel runways.
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Wombot posted:Does Sea-Tac ever land two airliners side by side on parallel runways? Last night, at 8:42pm, I was driving south on I5 just north of Boeing Field and saw two large aircraft, ostensibly in the approach pattern for SEA, flying in formation about 5 wing spans apart and directly abeam. The marker lights were the exact same for both. Absolutely. It's the greatest advantage of parallel runways at any airport. Simultaneous operations are authorized between aircraft based on weather conditions, distance between the runway center lines, and the size of the aircraft involved. I could go into more detail but that about sums it up. Generally the minimum required distance between runways/airplanes is measured in the thousands of feet. For these operations to occur during poor weather conditions, greater runway distance is needed and additional ATC personnel (final monitors) may be required. A final monitor is a controller who watches the final for any deviations from the final approach course and has an override ability on the approach controller AND tower controller's frequencies. If a plane strays too far from centerline, the final monitor barks at them to return to center line or begin a missed approach procedure. Some runway spacings allow for simultaneous operations in visual conditions. Some allow for staggered instrument operations (closer than normal separation minima, but still separated by some required distance longitudinally), and some allow for simultaneous operations in instrument conditions (with the afforementioned final monitor). All depends on the airport and ATC service available.
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Ardeem posted:I wonder what the one pilot did to get a tiger striped drop tank. The Czechs regularly fly around with tiger themed Gripens for the NATO Tiger Meets. That particular tiger striped drop tank seems to be more or less permanently painted like that, it's shown up on several different aircraft individuals and it's been around for a while.    
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          Perhaps you want something a little more exotic?    
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TheFluff posted:
"Here, we see the babies faithfully following the mommy, hoping for a drink of her life giving nourishment"
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Gibfender posted:Last 2 pages have been glorious, keep it up  I'll be in my bunk.
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Gibfender posted:You'll have someone's eye out with that drat it Valkyrie, you were just too much of a good thing for the good ole USA 
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Also this is a great article about the Bone FF incident in Afghanistan back in 2007 https://medium.com/war-is-boring/a-10s-saved-the-day-in-botched-afghanistan-raid-b78367f4fd0e
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CommieGIR posted:drat it Valkyrie, you were just too much of a good thing for the good ole USA If by "good thing" you mean "pretty much a supersonic BUFF that does the same job as an ICBM," then yeah. don't get me wrong, I love the 70, it's just that it had very limited uses in the time of ICBMs getting more accurate
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Spaced God posted:If by "good thing" you mean "pretty much a supersonic BUFF that does the same job as an ICBM," then yeah. You'd have to explain the B-52 and B-1B then. Yes, they can carry traditional payloads, but that was never their initial purpose.
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Gibfender posted:Also this is a great article about the Bone FF incident in Afghanistan back in 2007 First off that isn't the friendly fire incident, that was the day a friendly fire incident was prevented. Second I wouldn't describe that article as "great," it (like most SAVE THE HAWG THE AIR FORCE IS LYING articles) is written from a pretty skewed perspective. Third the A-10 has plenty of friendly fire incidents under its belt (including more than one involving Brits), it's a (very unfortunate) occupational hazard when you're talking about conducting CAS. The idea that the A-10 is somehow immune to this, or even has a lower rate than other platforms, is simply not true, no matter how many articles are written about all the times the A-10 has allegedly saved the day from the supposed idiots flying all the other platforms in the USAF.
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CommieGIR posted:You'd have to explain the B-52 and B-1B then. Yes, they can carry traditional payloads, but that was never their initial purpose. But they were readily adaptable to carry traditional payloads, and at a far lower cost than the XB-70. The XB-70s design features are valueless (basically 100% of the time in a SAM laden world but specifically) for delivering conventional payloads and involve acquisition cost, complexity, and run cost nightmares.
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iyaayas01 posted:First off that isn't the friendly fire incident, that was the day a friendly fire incident was prevented. I don't think it's a secret that the USAF is much worse at CAS than the USN, USMC, RAF, et al, nor that the organization doesn't really care about the role nearly as much as recreating the days of Curtis LeMay.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:But they were readily adaptable to carry traditional payloads, and at a far lower cost than the XB-70. The XB-70s design features are valueless (basically 100% of the time in a SAM laden world but specifically) for delivering conventional payloads and involve acquisition cost, complexity, and run cost nightmares. However the Valk looked badass as hell which is very important to consider.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:But they were readily adaptable to carry traditional payloads, and at a far lower cost than the XB-70. The XB-70s design features are valueless (basically 100% of the time in a SAM laden world but specifically) for delivering conventional payloads and involve acquisition cost, complexity, and run cost nightmares. The B-1B required modification to do that, and even then doesn't fuilfill the requirements originally laid down for it and is ridiculously expensive to maintain and operate. The B-1B can't even carry nuclear payload anymore without significant modifications. The USAF didn't even want it, Saint Reagan 'gifted' it to them. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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drgitlin posted:I don't think it's a secret that the USAF is much worse at CAS than the USN, USMC, RAF, et al, nor that the organization doesn't really care about the role nearly as much as recreating the days of Curtis LeMay. It's fun to dog on the USAF and CAS, but really? I'll take the USAF's wide array of capabilities over some older USMC F-18s and Harriers any day. edit: And even A-10 pilots will sometimes comment that once they're on scene they can do amazing stuff, but it can be pretty frustrating when they take an insane amount of time to even get to the scene compared to a Mud Hen or Bone. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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drgitlin posted:I don't think it's a secret that the USAF is much worse at CAS than the USN, USMC, RAF, et al, nor that the organization doesn't really care about the role nearly as much as recreating the days of Curtis LeMay. lol okay Yes we don't care about CAS which is why we bought 1000 Raptors while putting all the evil drones (who exclusively exist to support guys on the ground) in the boneyard. Oh wait the exact opposite of that happened. The idea that the USAF "doesn't care" about CAS is so worn out I don't understand why it keeps cropping up. e: I'll be completely honest, as soon as I read someone saying the USAF "doesn't care" about CAS it basically flags in my head to ignore everything else that person says because they clearly have no idea what they're talking about. iyaayas01 fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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CommieGIR posted:The B-1B required modification to do that, and even then doesn't fuilfill the requirements originally laid down for it and is ridiculously expensive to maintain and operate. If you don't think the XB-70 would be like 3-5x more expensive per flight hour I have a bridge to sell you. I had a line in there before I edited about how the B-1B procurement was a clusterfuck so it wasn't a good point of comparison.
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iyaayas01 posted:e: I'll be completely honest, as soon as I read someone saying the USAF "doesn't care" about CAS it basically flags in my head to ignore everything else that person says because they clearly have no idea what they're talking about. Or they are Marines who may know better, but must maintain the cult idea that their CAS is better, because camouflage flight helmets.
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mlmp08 posted:Or they are Marines who may know better, but must maintain the cult idea that their CAS is better, because camouflage flight helmets. lol
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Engineering became art. Psion posted:I have a folder on an old HD called "F-14" and there's a theme to some of them you'll probably appreciate. Thanks!
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mlmp08 posted:It's fun to dog on the USAF and CAS, but really? I'll take the USAF's wide array of capabilities over some older USMC F-18s and Harriers any day. Reengine the A-10, problem solved.
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drgitlin posted:I don't think it's a secret that the USAF is much worse at CAS than the USN, USMC, RAF, et al, nor that the organization doesn't really care about the role nearly as much as recreating the days of Curtis LeMay. Given the intense amount of air-to-air combat NATO got involved in the last couple decades, if the USAF didn't want to do CAS, they'd pretty much end up doing nothing except airlift and refueling.
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hobbesmaster posted:Reengine the A-10, problem solved. Plenty of TF33's laying around...
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Captain Postal posted:Plenty of TF33's laying around... We wanted it to have more thrust
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hobbesmaster posted:Reengine the A-10, problem solved. Just fire the GAU‐8 and fly backwards.
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iyaayas01 posted:We wanted it to have more thrust The A-10 uses CRJ-100 engines so yeah anything with a five digit lbf of thrust would be a major improvement.
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hobbesmaster posted:Reengine the A-10, problem solved. What is the VNE of an A-10, and is it currently capable of getting up to that speed without using JATO bottles?
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Gibfender posted:Last 2 pages have been glorious, keep it up So let me tell you about growing up at China Lake        
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"Bob, I told you, this new zero-zero seat works just fine, quit being a pansy about this"
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And now for some propaganda pictures of Best Korea showing off their Beloved Leader and glamorous women pilots:  This fierce squadron shall strike fear in the hearts of decadent western imperialists. (source)
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Cat Mattress posted:And now for some propaganda pictures of Best Korea showing off their Beloved Leader and glamorous women pilots: 2 girls 1 Fagot
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Mr. Wiggles posted:So let me tell you about growing up at China Lake What's going on here?
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StandardVC10 posted:What's going on here? China Lake's rocket sled track. This is from a NASA project.
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