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Tank Boy Ken
Aug 24, 2012
J4G for life
Fallen Rib

Asproigerosis posted:

I don't know if I ever want to go back to the futility of arcade, it's too frustrating trying to fly properly and having a yak WEP 3km straight up and knocking you out.

Arcade bi-plane matches are hilarious and fun. The same is also true for RB but with less Jackety sax feeling.

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Robot Randy
Dec 31, 2011

by Lowtax


These queue times drove me to this

Target Practice
Aug 20, 2004

Shit.
Whoever said to always use stealth belts in Arcade is a genius. Playing Germany, Russia, and Britain back to back in 3 games, I brought in 37 combined kills. I never do that good outside of Chaikastomping.

Edit: The 262 you need for GA is pretty far down on the tree right?

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable
I use stealth rounds in RB because I'm so bad I have to be at 300meters and just spraying to hit guys anyway

Target Practice
Aug 20, 2004

Shit.

Asproigerosis posted:

I use stealth rounds in RB because I'm so bad I have to be at 300meters and just spraying to hit guys anyway

I've learned to get really close but I just can't get the hang of hitting them even when I'm right up their rear end so I still need tracers :(

Robot Randy
Dec 31, 2011

by Lowtax
http://www.gfycat.com/DizzyRareCoral

fuckin pubs i s2a (pbuh)

AtillatheBum
Oct 6, 2010

Justice ain't gonna dispense itself.
Came back to this game after a long break and wanted to know, did they change american 50s? It seems to take a lot more hits to put down enemy planes than I remember. Still been stomping face with my f80 and p51 though. In fact maybe it's just coincidence but it almost seems like american pubbies are half competent now.

Also what's the best way to take on a yak 3 in a bf109? I'm never sure how to approach that fight.

Finally, is ground forces worth a drat yet? I was lured back by the idea of american ground forces coming sometime soon by until then I thought I'd dick around with my king tiger and panthers if they'd changed it up any.

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?

Target Practice posted:

Whoever said to always use stealth belts in Arcade is a genius. Playing Germany, Russia, and Britain back to back in 3 games, I brought in 37 combined kills. I never do that good outside of Chaikastomping.

Edit: The 262 you need for GA is pretty far down on the tree right?

Do not get the Me262 with the 50mm cannon for ground forces. You will basically never get a match at that tier.

Plan Z
May 6, 2012

AtillatheBum posted:

Finally, is ground forces worth a drat yet? I was lured back by the idea of american ground forces coming sometime soon by until then I thought I'd dick around with my king tiger and panthers if they'd changed it up any.

They added in a neat little damage modeling system that gives you feedback on how much damage you're actually doing, as well as damage done to you. They also made matches a bit more fair in that the first enemy to capture a point isn't guaranteed the win. Those were the two biggest changes, I guess.

Other than that, I'm not always that sure what people mean about the Ground Forces being bad. It's wonky in places, but it's at least way above and beyond any other tank game I've ever played. If I could find two big problems, it'd be that RB and SB are stuck with boring 5v5s where RB teams consist of four people on each team flying planes and quitting when they die, and the spotting mechanics in AB are bad.

Edit: On that topic, I guess I'll start hanging in Mumble (name is Brickfight) if anyone has any questions on Ground Forces or wants to stomp on some fascist box tanks/collectivist slope tanks.

Plan Z fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Dec 9, 2014

Ghosts n Gopniks
Nov 2, 2004

Imagine how much more sad and lonely we would be if not for the hard work of lowtax. Here's $12.95 to his aid.

AtillatheBum posted:

Came back to this game after a long break and wanted to know, did they change american 50s? It seems to take a lot more hits to put down enemy planes than I remember. Still been stomping face with my f80 and p51 though. In fact maybe it's just coincidence but it almost seems like american pubbies are half competent now.

They corrected them so that AP doesn't overperform like a mutha, but they do set things on fire real well and kill real well in the hands of a fine pilot, and you are a fine pilot.

Pubbies aren't, so these days I often treat a .50cal plane on my tail as a low-priority threat.

Wooper
Oct 16, 2006

Champion draGoon horse slayer. Making Lancers weep for their horsies since 2011. Viva Dickbutt.
Anyone on my tail is a high priority threat in my book.


Related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akGexK9WVzc

If anything, the lowest priority threat would be a stealth belt user because their aim suck in 99% of cases.

Target Practice
Aug 20, 2004

Shit.
Man I am super bad at GA.

Ghosts n Gopniks
Nov 2, 2004

Imagine how much more sad and lonely we would be if not for the hard work of lowtax. Here's $12.95 to his aid.

Target Practice posted:

Man I am super bad at GA.

What are you flying?

Thief
Jan 28, 2011

:420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420:

AtillatheBum posted:

Also what's the best way to take on a yak 3 in a bf109? I'm never sure how to approach that fight.

In all seriousness you just have to be better than them - which shouldn't be too hard given that Russian players are among the worst in the game next to USA players. Some 109s can turn with the Yak-3 just barely enough to keep up in a raw dogfight but that requires a lot of throttle/flap management and little to no escape options because the Yak-3 can accelerate extremely loving fast despite having a lower top speed and under the clouds that means you can't run away from it if they know what they're doing and have even a remotely similar level of energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlVinGRSOKg&t=125s

The only real weakness they have is that their wings rip off very easily and this is not something you should rely on against an experienced and disciplined player.

Let's just look at this quote from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-3 posted:

On 17 July 1944, eight Yaks attacked a formation of 60 German aircraft, including escorting fighters. In the ensuing dogfight, the Luftwaffe lost three Junkers Ju 87s and four Bf 109Gs, for no losses to the Yaks.[6] Consequently, the Luftwaffe issued an order to "avoid combat below five thousand metres with Yakovlev fighters lacking an oil cooler intake beneath the nose!"[7] Luftwaffe fighters in combat with the Yak-3 tried to use surprise tactics, attacking from above

The Yak 3 is main reason to even play :ussr: now that Germany has the best variants of the La-5 and Mig-15 and a mid level Yak that balances out the mostly pure BnZ based fighters available to Germany. It's really funny that people still actually believe that "Russian bias" exists when they are objectively at an overall disadvantage against every single nation in the game after Era I.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
I just hate getting hit by one of their dumb bloop cannons in AB. :mad:

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I updated my drivers, and the game disabled all shadows. Should I roll back to what I had before, or just try redoing my settings to see if that fixes it?

Target Practice
Aug 20, 2004

Shit.

MrLonghair posted:

What are you flying?

I've tried the premium Mustang, the A8, and the G6 (with the 30s, that seemed to go just okay).

I just don't get how this guy on the top of the leaderboards has made like 2.5 million in 50 battles or whatever the gently caress in an A8.

BubbaGrace
Jul 14, 2006

gently caress you Gaijin. I was playing Saipan and it was down to me and an F7F. I landed with some wing damage. With 5 seconds left on my repair the game says we have suffered a defeat, we lost all of our vehicles. No we didn't you assholes. There was no death message, nor did the score show me as dying.

Proof:

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
Landing counts as "out of combat".

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

Only sometimes though.

BubbaGrace
Jul 14, 2006

So in that situation I am supposed to fly around gimped and let this guy club me? That's pretty stupid.

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!
How is the first Japanese T3 with German cannons? I just started researching it and am wondering if I should switch over to the T3 Zero instead. Any tips?

Tank Boy Ken
Aug 24, 2012
J4G for life
Fallen Rib

Artificer posted:

How is the first Japanese T3 with German cannons? I just started researching it and am wondering if I should switch over to the T3 Zero instead. Any tips?


The Ki-61 with german Mg151 is very good, but can face some tough opponents (Beercans). The T3 Zeroes are also sweet planes.

In unrelated "news": Guardian Angel is awesome:

Ghosts n Gopniks
Nov 2, 2004

Imagine how much more sad and lonely we would be if not for the hard work of lowtax. Here's $12.95 to his aid.

Target Practice posted:

I just don't get how this guy on the top of the leaderboards has made like 2.5 million in 50 battles or whatever the gently caress in an A8.

By having less of a life than me and also spending every moment of it playing the event, focusing on the AI for points.

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!

Tank Boy Ken posted:

The Ki-61 with german Mg151 is very good, but can face some tough opponents (Beercans). The T3 Zeroes are also sweet planes.

In unrelated "news": Guardian Angel is awesome:


Seems pretty heavy. BnZer?

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable
Not sure why you'd fly american planes in the event, you don't get any AI flying lion bags to dump on.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Come help me troll wehraboos in my goldstang and/or troll bad americans in classy planes. It's guardian angels time.

Tank Boy Ken
Aug 24, 2012
J4G for life
Fallen Rib

Artificer posted:

Seems pretty heavy. BnZer?

Just flew the Me410 A1/U4 to :s: it. If you meant the Ki-61, it's more of an energy fighter.

Lord Ludikrous
Jun 7, 2008

Enjoy your tea...



Why is the quality of my piloting inversely proportional to victories? :(

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!

Tank Boy Ken posted:

Just flew the Me410 A1/U4 to :s: it. If you meant the Ki-61, it's more of an energy fighter.

Yeah I meant the KI-61. Energy fighter. So pretend its a Japanese BF-109?

BubbaGrace
Jul 14, 2006

What is the difference between a BnZer and energy fighter? I was always under the impression it was the same thing.

Tank Boy Ken
Aug 24, 2012
J4G for life
Fallen Rib

Felony posted:

What is the difference between a BnZer and energy fighter? I was always under the impression it was the same thing.

A BnZer is a specialized energy fighter. They are usually heavy and have a somewhat bad Power to weight ratio. Accelerate well in a dive and also have a good zoom climb. They will usually bleed a lot of energy in turns and can not regain it fast (due to the "bad" power to weight ratio). The F7F is an exemption to the bad power to weight thing.
A classic energy fighter is more agile and has very good acceleration. They can also stay closer to their opponent.

Examples for BnZ planes: 190s, P47, P51, F7F
Energy Fighter: Yaks (all of them), Bf 109, Ki-61, F6F

Does this make sense?

Artificer posted:

Yeah I meant the KI-61. Energy fighter. So pretend its a Japanese BF-109?

Yes, just with better turning and a bit worse at BnZ style attacks.

Shanakin
Mar 26, 2010

The whole point of stats are lost if you keep it a secret. Why Didn't you tell the world eh?

Felony posted:

What is the difference between a BnZer and energy fighter? I was always under the impression it was the same thing.

Well I don't think the distinction was really used in the war or anything but as far as WT is concerned, Boom and Zoom fighters work by storing up vast quantities of energy and exploiting that with large sweeping motions. This generally requires them to be very heavy which makes building up that energy a pain because the will accelerate and climb poorly and generally turn poorly (or bleed all their speed in the process leaving them vulnerable). They do however have great endurance due to large fuel tanks and heave armament loads and are basically untouchable if they get the advantage and don't squander it.
American Fighters generally fall into this category. Also FW190s.

Energy fighters or kind of the opposite. They have massive engines on lightweight frames. Unsurprisingly these tend to be mostly interceptors like the 109. They climb excellently accelerate like rockets and generally dive moderately well with average agility. These guys replenish energy quickly and generally work by forcing enemies to waste energy until they have a decisive advantage. Favouring rapid vertical slashing attacks, like boom and zoom on a smaller scale. They generally lack the endurance of BnZ planes with much lower fuel and ammo loads.

Sard
May 11, 2012

Certified Poster of Culture.
I can't stand the Ki-61s at all because they seem to fall apart harder than anything else in the game at 4km and above. Trying to climb with teammates as we pursue the last American, and all of us in Ki-61s are like morbidly obese guys at a marathon. Barely able to keep the nose and IAS up.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Run, trashcan. Run for your life. Don't let my lack of ammo stop me from scaring you to death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnYdq2TjC5Y

Source of the audio, which is totally unrelated to WT but cool and worth watching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_NIop72vis

Godlessdonut
Sep 13, 2005

Felony posted:

So in that situation I am supposed to fly around gimped and let this guy club me? That's pretty stupid.

I'm sure they know it's a bug but :lol: at them fixing it anytime soon.

Roumba
Jun 29, 2005
Buglord
:rice:

Post yo fastest times.

Edit: 2:42

Roumba fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Dec 10, 2014

BubbaGrace
Jul 14, 2006

3 B-17 playing hide and seek at 7000m. I am probably going to be chat banned after the trash talk I was spewing after killing them. Sorry but I have to brag, I was so hype for this. Tank boy will be proud.



Ghosts n Gopniks
Nov 2, 2004

Imagine how much more sad and lonely we would be if not for the hard work of lowtax. Here's $12.95 to his aid.
Jumped into the B17G for GA, did a red-line dive to 100 meters followed by the clipped wreckages of pubbies following, sailed to the factory with no enemies coming closer than 4.5km, scored the victory after the few surviving AI dropped their loads.

Silly pubbies.

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EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!

MrLonghair posted:

By having less of a life than me and also spending every moment of it playing the event, focusing on the AI for points.

Oh hey Longhair, I've been meaning to ask you, what P4 (A, B, C, Northwoods, Prescott, etc) did you use in that test rig of yours? I don't have plat otherwise this'd be a PM.

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