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Thanks for the replies, thinking of snagging a delay/reverb or fuzz in the next couple of weeks. I'm excited to try it on the 'brute!
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A MIRACLE posted:Why hate on the TB-3? It looks like it has a decent / similar sequencer style. But yeah I decided I needed a 303-alike after playing with the software one on http://www.audiotool.com/ for like 3 hours without realizing it. The thing is mezmerizing Well for one, it doesn't faithfully recreate a lot of the sound of the 303 at things like extreme high resonance, repeated accents, and other little quirks. Secondly, it doesn't have a loving envelop mod or decay knob, which is insane. The stupid touch pad thing is not a replacement. I mean, Acid is at its core like an aural fetish for the very specific quirks of that vintage Roland gear, so it's really really important, if you want to make it, to get a very, very specific sound, no compromises. Even the x0x is actually pretty meh at it. That said if you like groovin to the loopy loops, have fun with the TB-3 or the audiotools emulation etc.
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The TB-3 stands out as an excellent acid box as long as you're not trying to make it be a TB-303. I mean, it'll definitely pull off TB-303 for a lot of sounds but if you're some kind of synth dork who spends your days A/Bing a TB-303 and other synths or if it's pushed to its maximum limit and you are really really familiar with the TB-303 then it'll sound different. That's just the A bank though, and even some of those sound really really good. Dig into the B and C banks and you've got a 303 sequencer tied to some really vicious sounds that would be impossible with the original 303. It's also ridiculously nice to program. Don't poo poo on the TB-3 just because it's not a 303. for 95% of people the sound is "good enough" and the depth of the little ugly box is huge in comparison to any other 303 wannabe, and some of the sounds are much more usable for "modern" sounding dance music as opposed to 909+707+303 acid. A MIRACLE, you should strongly consider the TB-3 if you want an acid box. The computer integration alone is a compelling reason plus how much less fragile it feels than most of the 303 clones (or the real thing) and the fact that you can push the box in directions you can't push the analogue versions. Also, 300 is a decent new price so you'd pay less than any of the alternatives if you aim for a used one. Yes, it's not a perfect sound, but don't let that distract you from what it does really well.
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Dec 9, 2014 19:37
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Yes, like I said, if you want to make Acid, go elsewhere, if you want a little bass synth with a simple sequencer that ties in well with a computer to do loopy jams, I'm sure its fine.
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Dec 9, 2014 19:45
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Is it just me, or is there a very narrow range on the filter of a Volca Bass where it sounds at all acidy? It's like it's only slightly resonant or totally squeaky, with very little room in between. Every TB-303 recording i've heard seems a lot more expressive.
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Well I don't have a computer but that is a nice sentiment. I run us through a Tascam DP-24. The TB-3 wouldn't be just for extended acid solo jamz, we're also starting a throwback live format hip hop project. Think Zapp and Roger, Mantronix stuff like that. I've been asked to run the decks (2xLP120's and a DJ tools scratch mixer). I have a TR-8 and I've been super super happy with it, sounds great on big sound systems too. Which is kinda why I was leaning on the Aira line more. Speaking of Z&R has anyone tried the vocoder on the VT-3? I already have a EHX Voice Box which is great.
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Dec 9, 2014 19:59
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If you wanna do Zapp & Roger, you want a talk box, not a vocoder http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-A-Talkbox/
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Dec 9, 2014 20:01
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I'm sure I posted this before but it can't be viewed often enough. Z&R on BET. Wish there was a better copy but if it was ever on umatic the tapes are probably long since wiped/destroyed. I want an assault rifle guitar. KDJ-ONE is back again, this time with a Kickstarter. Specs are pretty disappointing but it might be interesting, especially if some third party software gets developed.
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Dec 9, 2014 20:26
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I played with the VT-3 in a store and thought it worked very well but in general I dislike vocoders so I don't have a strong opinion on it.toadee posted:Yes, like I said, if you want to make Acid, go elsewhere, if you want a little bass synth with a simple sequencer that ties in well with a computer to do loopy jams, I'm sure its fine. It's loving fantastic for acid what are/aren't you smoking?
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Dec 9, 2014 20:31
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...speaking of 303 fetishisation... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE5kOjMEQqc
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Dec 9, 2014 20:35
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WAFFLEHOUND posted:It's loving fantastic for acid what are/aren't you smoking? Acid is very specifically the sound that came from the Chicago House scene in the late 80s and derivatives thereof. It is at it's fundamental core, the Roland sound, period. The continuation of Acid as a genre today is a direct result of the continued devotion to that specific timbre as a basis for the music. I know people want to claim that any bass synth line with a LPF kicked near self-oscillation is 'an Acid line' or 'the Acid part', but when I say "you want to do Acid?" I am not talking about that sort of thing. I am very specifically stating a genre or sub-genre of dance music directly related to the late 80s Chicago sound and nothing else.
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Dec 9, 2014 20:44
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If you really care about acid and it's legacy, don't make it, it all has been done already.
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Dec 9, 2014 21:34
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God I hate the 303 and every little detail around it, its cult and its followers.
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Dec 9, 2014 22:55
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New devices can not imitate the 303's blep, and instead usually produce a sluggish bleep.
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Now let me tell you about actual Rock'n'roll  e: This quote is quite wonderfully on point, though Sjoewe posted:If you really care about acid and it's legacy, don't make it, it all has been done already.
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Dec 9, 2014 23:38
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It's not just the 303, it's the 101 and 202 as well, and of course the drum machines, mainly 909 and some 809 and 707, even some 606. It doesn't mean that any other music is bad or anything, just Acid as a genre is based on the purity of that timbre, so doing it with a tb-3 or vst or something is just pale in comparison is all.
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Dec 10, 2014 00:01
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toadee posted:the purity of that timbre Lmao you're hilarious
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Dec 10, 2014 00:12
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my timbres are double filtered for maximum purity
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toadee posted:It's not just the 303, it's the 101 and 202 as well, and of course the drum machines, mainly 909 and some 809 and 707, even some 606. It doesn't mean that any other music is bad or anything, just Acid as a genre is based on the purity of that timbre, so doing it with a tb-3 or vst or something is just pale in comparison is all. Isn't that a bit of an anachronistic claim to make? I mean, if anything, the birth of acid pretty much boils down to some Chicago ghetto kids getting their hands on the cheapest synths available at that time and some shady guys at Trax Records that understood that they could earn big by tricking everyone into signing aways the rights to their music for a fistful of dollars.
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Dec 10, 2014 00:19
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Haha ok whatever, every artist we revere is a much or more of a snob about such things. Electronic music is general is more focused on it because selection of timbre is one of the major points that defines our music and differentiates it.
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Sjoewe posted:Isn't that a bit of an anachronistic claim to make? I mean, if anything, the birth of acid pretty much boils down to some Chicago ghetto kids getting their hands on the cheapest synths available at that time and some shady guys at Trax Records that understood that they could earn big by tricking everyone into signing aways the rights to their music for a fistful of dollars. Anachronistic? I guess? It's just the truth. Acid is defined by that sound. I'm not even saying synths like the tb-3 are worthless. I'm saying if you want to make acid, a genre literally defined by a specific sound, things like it are pale comparisons to the real thing. So if you know you want to make acid, just get the boxes that make Acid and get on with it.
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Dec 10, 2014 00:25
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This is the most autistic level of fetishization I've heard about in a long time.
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Yah welcome to music production. Like I said the artists you revere are twice as particular about every aspect. People like Aphex or BoC or Daft Punk or whoever go on and on about this poo poo. This isn't even a weird thing. If you want to be a chamber musician you're going to buy a violin or viola or cello. If you're going to be a Jazz guitarist you but a loving guitar, and a pretty particular one at that. If you're going to make Acid, you buy old Roland synths because they are what make Acid, period.
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Dec 10, 2014 00:48
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Pretty sure poo poo that sounds like acid is acid.
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And hilariously, that's also what I am saying.
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nah thats post-acid speaking of i really still like sony acid
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pfs Write posted:nah thats post-acid Seriously Acid is the music program that hurt most to lose in my PC -> Mac migration.
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toadee posted:And hilariously, that's also what I am saying. 99% of people couldn't tell a 303 apart from a TB-3 or Phoscyon or a sequenced Moog with a touch of distortion. Or someone going "bow wowow woweeewow" WAFFLEHOUND fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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WAFFLEHOUND posted:99% of people couldn't tell a 303 apart from a TB-3 or Phoscyon or a sequenced Moog with a touch of distortion. Try us. You own a TB-303 even! Why did you buy a TB-303 if it doesn't matter? Also I bought a Monomachine yesterday 
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WAFFLEHOUND posted:99% of people couldn't tell a 303 apart from a TB-3 or Phoscyon or a sequenced Moog with a touch of distortion. And most people couldn't tell the difference between a Vivaldi violin concerto and a Bach quartet. Does that mean we should stop Differentiating them? Hell most people can't tell the difference between a violin and a viola playing the same notes. Guess you should just pick up whichever of those you want, no real difference right?
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Sjoewe posted:If you really care about [any genre] and it's legacy, don't make it, it all has been done already. Fixed that for you, but I agree. I'd add: Make your own drat music, because that's more interesting. edit: If you can say "I'm making an acid track" or "My new album is a trance album" you have a problem  edit2: That problem is that whatever you're making is probably not very interesting a cyborg mug fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:Fixed that for you, but I agree. I'd add: Make your own drat music, because that's more interesting. I totally disagree. You would really disregard anyone writing Jazz? Chamber music? Rock? Expressing yourself through the lens of an established genre isn't expressing yourself any less.
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bow bowbowbow bowbowBEWBEW
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The violin/viola comparison is dumb, it's closer to differentiating violin brands in classical orchestras.BKPR posted:bow bowbowbow bowbowBEWBEW Sick acid line bro.
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Real talk my mom heard a track with a 303 in my car and thought that it was a barking dog sample
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toadee posted:And most people couldn't tell the difference between a Vivaldi violin concerto and a Bach quartet. Does that mean we should stop Yes  That example is stupid as hell since we're dealing with acoustics instead of electronics, but honestly; if you can't hear the difference there is no difference except the sociopolitical one. e: Like, to clarify; this is audiophile territory. The difference in electronics between each individual 303 is the same as the difference between a 303 and certain clones. The components that make up the machine is so well-known that there is no sleight of hand involved, no luthier skills passed down through the ages, no uncertainty of what goes where. It's very simple. With an acoustic instrument, you can get audible differences depending on the type of wood, the thickness, the shape; but with an electronic instrument it's all down to the components. Same components, same sound. There is some variance between the components, but that will be true whether you call it a 303 or a x0x, or whatever. Your Computer fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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And I'm saying you can hear a difference. Jesus just go try to remake something. Do 'Box Energy' on a TB-3 and report back. Or Universal Indicator Blue A1. You just can't even make the same sound, and the sound is central to the genre.
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toadee posted:I totally disagree. You would really disregard anyone writing Jazz? Chamber music? Rock? Expressing yourself through the lens of an established genre isn't expressing yourself any less. Yeah, that was a pretty black-and-white statement, sorry. Depends on what the person wants to do, of course, and what their mentality is when doing it. Being influenced by something is fine, because that's unavoidable. However, if your expressing yourself means you only ever make generic rock songs that sound exactly like what a trillion other rock songs sound like, maybe that "yourself" isn't all that unique or interesting. edit: It's just a really weird mindset to me. "I want to express myself, ergo I will attempt to make something that sounds exactly like something someone else has already made" a cyborg mug fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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toadee posted:And I'm saying you can hear a difference. Jesus just go try to remake something. Do 'Box Energy' on a TB-3 and report back. Or Universal Indicator Blue A1. You just can't even make the same sound, and the sound is central to the genre. This is really dumb because it assumes a genre is locked into preexisting defined songs and not certain common elements. WAFFLEHOUND fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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WAFFLEHOUND posted:This is really dumb because it assumes a genre is locked into preexisting defined and not certain common elements. Which is kind of hilarious when you think about it. "No no, it has to have exactly these instruments to be X genre", "wait, it also needs this bassline" "and you need this specific beat" and suddenly you have one single song defining the entire genre and everything deviating from that song is "wrong". Guess what, it's not a genre, it's a song. I admit I'm not an expert on acid, but wouldn't the recording equipment, pedals/effects, etc. affect the sound just as much or even more than the difference in 303 vs. clone do?
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