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rebase should not be a no mal part of your workflow wtfrotor posted:I just edit .git/config directly because it makes more sense to me I'm going to scream
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am i the only one who feels like code.org, learn to code, hour of code and all those things are a pretty thinly veiled way of suppressing developer salaries? i mean when ~~captains of industry~~ like the zuck and bezos are saying that the demand for developers outstrips the supply and their solution is a "code for all" sort of thing all i can think is that they're trying to flood the market with low-cost developers although i'm probably tilting and windmills over here
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Blinkz0rz posted:am i the only one who feels like code.org, learn to code, hour of code and all those things are a pretty thinly veiled way of suppressing developer salaries? i think you're right. it's the same as when they try to get more visas for people to come here and work
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whenever a tech ceo says there's a lack of programmers, mentally insert "that will work for cheap" after the statement and it starts to make sense. the problem with screaming at a generation to get into STEM and crank out a CS degree is that suddenly they want the sort of high salary they were advertised to pay off all those student loans and well... paying people doesn't help your valuation
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Blinkz0rz posted:am i the only one who feels like code.org, learn to code, hour of code and all those things are a pretty thinly veiled way of suppressing developer salaries? the truth is probably somewhere in between. yeah they want cheaper labor and to make themselves look good, but honestly programming is not hard and a lot of people think its some black-magic rocket surgery
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that's cool, bring back classes in school to teach that poo poo, not babby's first internet tutorial
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Careful Drums posted:the truth is probably somewhere in between. yeah they want cheaper labor and to make themselves look good, but honestly programming is not hard and a lot of people think its some black-magic rocket surgery programming is hard but theres little to no downside for bad programming except making other bad programmers lives miserable maintaining it so meh
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Dec 9, 2014 15:22
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power botton posted:programming is hard but theres little to no downside for bad programming except making other bad programmers lives miserable maintaining it so meh Maybe for dipshits who aren't accountable lol. There's a way to minmax money in -> codes out. The right mix of scrub-grammers and pro-grammers. Someone has to debug and janitor the source control and figure out who is on "human reflection API" duty wiring poo poo in like tinker toys vs actually writing an algo.
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Space Whale posted:Maybe for dipshits who aren't accountable lol. yay scrub-gramming 
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power botton posted:programming is hard but theres little to no downside for bad programming except making other bad programmers lives miserable maintaining it so meh idk it would be nice if people stopped leaving app reviews like "great product, crap app" on our stuff. i guess it's not really that important though
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Dec 9, 2014 15:36
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NHS ftl
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Careful Drums posted:programming is not hard and a lot of people think its some black-magic rocket surgery shut up, you're devaluing me
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rotor posted:shut up, you're devaluing me When a bunch of people who hate type systems and stylecop or even linters make poo poo code and you go fix it sell yourself as the grand poobah of good code.
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Dec 9, 2014 18:04
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ugh they want to pay me 18 dollars an hour to commute 2 hours a day to do entry level qa work isn't that just running unit tests all day and trying not to shoot yourself out of boredom
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Dec 9, 2014 20:12
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Luigi Thirty posted:ugh they want to pay me 18 dollars an hour to commute 2 hours a day to do entry level qa work I guess you forgot the bit where you're trying not to shoot everyone else before you embrace sweet death
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Blinkz0rz posted:am i the only one who feels like code.org, learn to code, hour of code and all those things are a pretty thinly veiled way of suppressing developer salaries? isn't it cool when capitalists don't even bother with a veneer of civility? they just straight up tell you that society should do poo poo to make them richer and then society does it
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like crapitalism is any better
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seriously though 'everyone should code' is a totally transparent attempt to ease labor costs for silly con valley giants. labor is their biggest cost and they resent what little personal comfort workers can extract from them. any perk you don't receive at the office, you don't really deserve. salaries are for management, not individual contributors. why can't you just be happy with free meals and a ball pit!?
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If SV really wants cheap workers, they should just burst the god drat bubble and the problem with solve itself but nope, gotta send people to code school to learn how to code for cheap cheap cheap while promising them high wages!
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:seriously though 'everyone should code' is a totally transparent attempt to ease labor costs for silly con valley giants. i'd be happy with a free meal right now. i'm pretty hungry
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I would be happy with free meals
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okay since i posted that i got three phone interviews for developer junk set up for next week so crisis averted
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MononcQc posted:they should just burst the god drat bubble no, don't!!!!!!
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rotor posted:no, don't!!!!!! I currently live my life fully expecting my days of great employment with good wages to be counted. Soon it shall turn to ashes and I'll go back to the lower salaries of yesteryear, slinging PHP for customers who want their logo to be bigger.
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everyone should code is even dumber than every should change their own oil
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MononcQc posted:I currently live my life fully expecting my days of great employment with good wages to be counted. Soon it shall turn to ashes and I'll go back to the lower salaries of yesteryear, slinging PHP for customers who want their logo to be bigger. you of all people should be able to knock up good odds of whether you'll still have a job post-bubble heroku is a straight-up b2b play. they will almost certainly continue to exist in some form after the bubble pops, you just gotta figure out whether that form includes you, personally
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idk the fad langs that rely on heroku will hopefully disappear if/when the bubble pops. everyone else is just gonna continue using aws/azure directly
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here in Tampa the market is all medical and financial and olds and banks will still be here after the bubble pops
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i want to do something w/ Microsoft Orleans but idk what. I was thinking maybe a sip based voip/chat thing? idk.
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Luigi Thirty posted:here in Tampa the market is all medical and financial and olds and banks will still be here after the bubble pops to a significant extent, this is true everywhere, even silicon valley. google is a 50,000 person firm. oracle is 100,000. apple has 50,000 in the usa alone. those businesses won't dry up and blow away when the bubble pops most software and IT people work for huge corporations doing normal boring things. those jobs won't disappear because a bunch of venture capitalists lost their money
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:google is a 50,000 person firm. oracle is 100,000. apple has 50,000 in the usa alone. those businesses won't dry up and blow away when the bubble pops we can dream
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MononcQc posted:I currently live my life fully expecting my days of great employment with good wages to be counted. Soon it shall turn to ashes and I'll go back to the lower salaries of yesteryear, slinging PHP for customers who want their logo to be bigger. sure but that's no reason to try and get back there in a hurry
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long live the bubble
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i am growing to hate learning java-on-the-job but mainly because so much crap is impossible to figure out with a book when working from someone's production code then you gotta bother someone whose time is probably better spent not talking to you about honest-to-g-d baby level things you dont understand like dependency injection or spring, which totally are not in that java book you bought so you wouldnt have to ask a million questions
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i sometimes think it would be fun to do community training things where u and other local coders get 2gether and talk about why maven owns and how to use it or why p-langs are poo poo for idiots. like professional to professional type deals. like maybe u could even form a guild to keep the plangers out of everyones hair.
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Shaggar posted:long live the bubble for real, atleast until i get a little taste. dont pop right as im graduating
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