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Martout posted:Looking closer at the stinger, Wells only starts healing after he's attached the brace to the suit, meaning the ring/suit is indeed where his powers come from. Makes me think he definitely is RF from further into the future (post-Crisis even) who maybe realized his errors to some extent and has now made it his mission to safeguard the timeline where Flash saves the earth from the Crisis and that his own previous goals were unimportant compared to this. ...I didn't even realise that he healed when he put the thing on. That is really subtle and quite well done.
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Astro Nut posted:...I didn't even realise that he healed when he put the thing on. That is really subtle and quite well done. That would explain (in-universe) why the voice stuff had kicked in then despite nobody else being around.
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Dec 11, 2014 18:28
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If we assume that Wells can't go fast without the suit then that probably brings up some points
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Dec 11, 2014 18:32
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Wells wants revenge on great grandpa Eddie for naming him "Eobard"
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Dec 11, 2014 18:36
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Random Stranger posted:The timeline is Wells is from the distant future and came back in time to fourteen years ago. Then he works to arrange the particle accelerator, sabotages it, and tries to make Barry into the best superhero possible. But he needs the tachyon device either to give himself superspeed or be able to time travel again. So he pulls a Bill and Ted and goes, "Remember to time travel back to Christmas 2014 and give myself the tachyons." (BTW, try this yourself! If you ever get to time travel, you'll find out instantly!). Wells and the Reverse Flash "meet at last" (as in, their timelines finally converge like they knew they had to), and the Reverse Flash arranges to give Wells the device for Christmas. Then Wells has the device and gains superspeed and/or can time travel again. After fighting the Flash several times in episodes we haven't seen yet, he goes back in time to threaten Joe, murder Nora Allen, and give himself the tachyons. This is a cool theory but they're making it really obvious that the suit is super shiny in the time of Nora Allen's stabbing, and the suit is very worn and dull in the Science Room, so I'm pretty sure it's not this linear at all. e: it's also a much brighter yellow in the past
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Dec 11, 2014 18:45
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Flesh Forge posted:This is a cool theory but they're making it really obvious that the suit is super shiny in the time of Nora Allen's stabbing, and the suit is very worn and dull in the Science Room, so I'm pretty sure it's not this linear at all. It's possible that something happened along the way (like, they accidentally cause the car wreck) and Wells just gives up.
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Dec 11, 2014 18:54
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Look, here's some pictures: When Barry was a kid and his mother is stabbed:  When he faces off with Dr. Wells and Joe in the force field trap:  And in the last moments of the episode, in the Science Room:   Incidentally I found a bunch of cool gifs someone made from this episode: http://imgur.com/a/nvxQ2
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Dec 11, 2014 18:54
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The first shot is from the pilot though, so it's not necessarily evidence of a change.
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Dec 11, 2014 18:56
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Flesh Forge posted:Look, here's some pictures: Actually that's pretty blatantly not the same suit in the first ep, there's no chest emblem. I'm surprised I didn't notice that before. As carefully as the show has been executed so far I really doubt that's just a production flaw/late change.
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Dec 11, 2014 18:59
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When he is vibrating what is he physically doing, just stepping back and forth super fast?
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Dec 11, 2014 18:59
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Flesh Forge posted:Look, here's some pictures: For a second there, I thought Wells was the Black Racer.
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Dec 11, 2014 19:02
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zoux posted:When he is vibrating what is he physically doing, just stepping back and forth super fast? Just vibrating. Try it, you can do it to at normal speed. Get really cold if you need to.
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Dec 11, 2014 19:02
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greatn posted:Just vibrating. Try it, you can do it to at normal speed. Get really cold if you need to. Ugh he must have a headache all the time.
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Dec 11, 2014 19:03
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zoux posted:Ugh he must have a headache all the time. He heals super quick.
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Dec 11, 2014 19:04
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One more request please: The street-level streaking through the city avatar sized 
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Grem posted:I like that the Flash has legit lost two times now. Three if you count Plastique. Pretty refreshing for a super hero show. This reminds me of classic Spider-man stories where he fights the villain, gets beat up, and eventually wins.
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Dec 11, 2014 19:16
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I think I'm jumping off of the Wells and Eddie are genetically relayed wagon.It's clear that RF sees Eddie as important (when RF is holding Joe, he says "I need him to hunt me"). How specifically is still a question, but it shows that Eddie's pursuit is as relevant as his existence and can't risk jeopardizing it with injuries
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Dec 11, 2014 19:38
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Well, there's the possibility that Wells and the OF the Barry met are not the same OF. There are multiple evil Flashes, right?
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Dec 11, 2014 19:41
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We'll all feel extremely silly when it's revealed that Grodd is the RF.
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Dec 11, 2014 19:47
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Krad posted:We'll all feel extremely silly when it's revealed that Grodd is the RF. I know that every time I've been worried about how the show will pull off something visually they've come through but I honestly don't see how they are going to do Grodd without it looking ridiculous.
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Dec 11, 2014 19:49
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Xelkelvos posted:I think I'm jumping off of the Wells and Eddie are genetically relayed wagon.It's clear that RF sees Eddie as important (when RF is holding Joe, he says "I need him to hunt me"). How specifically is still a question, but it shows that Eddie's pursuit is as relevant as his existence and can't risk jeopardizing it with injuries Does he? I thought RF told Joe "I warned you not to hunt me."
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Dec 11, 2014 19:52
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I dont know posted:Does he? I thought RF told Joe "I warned you not to hunt me." That's what I heard, which makes a lot of sense.
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zoux posted:I know that every time I've been worried about how the show will pull off something visually they've come through but I honestly don't see how they are going to do Grodd without it looking ridiculous. I think it'll be fine as long as they don't make him talk. Let him use telepathy or control some random guy to talk for him instead.
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zoux posted:When he is vibrating what is he physically doing, just stepping back and forth super fast?  w/head wobble.
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Dec 11, 2014 19:58
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Didn't Caitlin mention how fast Wells heals while helping him out at Star Labs? Does he really need the suit?
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Dec 11, 2014 20:00
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Lol mocking someone who points out the flash's top speed is wildly inconsistent when it's very clearly a plot point in like half the episodes... Only in tviv I genuinely like that this show has cliffhangers that aren't obvious. What on earth will happen the rest of the season as he trains to get faster when his main source of assistance is the dude he's fighting? Man I'm so impressed by this show. Absolutely love that we have good DC material now Amy Pole Her fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Dec 11, 2014 |
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Dec 11, 2014 20:16
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bbf2 posted:It does happen in GoT. Both actual resurrection and "Oh, they weren't actually dead, that was a fakeout" have occurred. (the latter happens ALL the time in the books) Woosh. Seriously how are you on these forums and read ASOIAF and have that get by you. Double woosh.
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Dec 11, 2014 20:19
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AAA DOLFAN posted:Lol mocking someone who points out the flash's top speed is wildly inconsistent when it's very clearly a plot point in like half the episodes... Only in tviv Actually, it's never a plot point.
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Dec 11, 2014 20:19
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Himuro posted:Didn't Caitlin mention how fast Wells heals while helping him out at Star Labs? Does he really need the suit? She mentioned the opposite - as in, that Barry should remember that everyone heals as quickly as him, IIRC. Which I realise now was a bit of foreshadowing to Wells doing it later.
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Dec 11, 2014 20:37
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Astro Nut posted:She mentioned the opposite - as in, that Barry should remember that everyone heals as quickly as him, IIRC. Which I realise now was a bit of foreshadowing to Wells doing it later. Oh! I should really watch that scene again then.
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Dec 11, 2014 20:53
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Flesh Forge posted:Look, here's some pictures: What the gently caress, I'm pretty sure all three suits are different. Look at the collar in the second pic vs Science Room Suit.
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Dec 11, 2014 20:59
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Don't forget, it kinda seems like Wells' MO is stabbing. Personally, I think he's(wells) a combination of a few aspects of the reverse flashes. I'm hoping he's a superfan that really wants the flash to be the best possible flash ever, and go completely psychotic in that regard. None of the revenge stuff or anything. He legitimately wants Barry to be the best hero ever.
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Man every time I see these screenshots and gifs I'm blown away at how they made Reverse Flash look so loving unsettling and scary. It's fantastic. Especially compared to the shiny yellow from the pilot- adding the vibrating and glowy eyes and desaturating the yellow really nails it.Flesh Forge posted:What the gently caress, I'm pretty sure all three suits are different. Look at the collar in the second pic vs Science Room Suit. Was there ever a direct explanation for why RF didn't mess with Joe? I know we all more or less agree he left Eddie alive because of Wells's "warning" but was there a bit where he recognized Joe as important or is that something we should be reading more into?
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Because Joe didn't die in the Original Timeline. The more he fucks with history the more he risks his own future not happening.
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Dec 11, 2014 21:43
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But why the guards at Mercury and Eddie's task force then? I know the real answer is plot armor but RF didn't seem to have a problem offing them.
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Hazo posted:But why the guards at Mercury and Eddie's task force then? I know the real answer is plot armor but RF didn't seem to have a problem offing them. The history here that he's concerned with is Flash's, and Joe's death would impact that more than a bunch of scrub cops. Comics spoilers, not directly related I don't think but still: In Flashpoint, I think, one of the speedster badguys, I can't remember if it was RF or Zoom, was obsessed with going back in time and beating Barry but he had to do it in such a way that he didn't prevent his own origins. So I think what's going on with Wells is that there is something he is trying to accomplish but he has to be very careful and particular in the changes he makes so he doesn't accidentally gently caress himself over
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Dec 11, 2014 21:49
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Or RF told West not to search for him or RF would kill Iris. Perhaps RF thinks killing Iris is the more fitting punishment. Killing Joe would be easy but making him agonize over his daughter's safety and eventual death is worse?
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zoux posted:Because Joe didn't die in the Original Timeline. The more he fucks with history the more he risks his own future not happening. To get complete  about this, time travel stories tend to think of a straight line of descendents but he should have several thousand ancestors alive at this time since there's exponential growth as you go backward. And you can't avoid problems just by not killing your own great-great-great-great-great-grandfather, that nameless cop he killed might have been the ancestor of the guy who introduced his dad to his mother. It's a huge, interconnected web of relationships and any tweak has huge repercussions.But it's better to just let it go since it doesn't really matter for the story they're telling. Lyon posted:Or RF told West not to search for him or RF would kill Iris. Perhaps RF thinks killing Iris is the more fitting punishment. Killing Joe would be easy but making him agonize over his daughter's safety and eventual death is worse? In the comics the Reverse Flash kills Iris. Though since it's comics she eventually gets better.
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Dec 11, 2014 21:56
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Flesh Forge posted:What the gently caress, I'm pretty sure all three suits are different. Look at the collar in the second pic vs Science Room Suit. The collar might just look different because of how it is placed on the dummy versus how it looks when actually worn.
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zoux posted:The history here that he's concerned with is Flash's, and Joe's death would impact that more than a bunch of scrub cops.
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