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I'm near Covington and the wind has been a bit of a bust here. It's only slightly breezy and has been all evening. I've been getting a few flickers here and there but nothing convincing yet.
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Reason posted:So far it seems pretty tame in the puget sound region, I know some people that have lost power, but they lose power when a butterfly farts. So, you've been to Kenmore.
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Dec 12, 2014 06:32
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effectual posted:Well the Mayor is overreacting again. http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/12/11/city-to-crack-down-on-pot-delivery-services-consider-new-rules-for-dispensaries From the comments: quote:Washington's legalization framework was not designed or built to compete with the black market. It was designed to preserve the status quo-- whiter, wealthier people can indulge themselves without guilt or fear, while poorer, browner people continue to bear risk and stigma for the same behavior. I agree with this, and it's sad to see. I-502 is a disaster and being used to move things backwards. So this is how Colorado being better than you feels.
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Dec 12, 2014 07:18
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A Bag of Milk posted:From the comments: So how should the initiative been written, given the limitation on how many things can be legislated on in one go?
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Dec 12, 2014 15:18
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A Bag of Milk posted:From the comments: If you think the thought process went, "uh oh, black people might be able to buy weed too, better throw in a bunch of taxes to pull the prices out of their range" and not, "wow, there's a shitload of new tax money to be made here" then you're insane. I mean of course governments are happy to screw with minorities to segregate things but there's a much simpler explanation here.
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Dec 12, 2014 16:20
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You don't think the motivation behind sin taxes is to discourage/punish the poor from their wicked unproductive ways? Politicians are money hungry but they're self righteous even more so.
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Dec 12, 2014 16:27
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MrKatharsis posted:You don't think the motivation behind sin taxes is to discourage/punish the poor from their wicked unproductive ways? Politicians are money hungry but they're self righteous even more so. I think they're money hungry and at one point they sold it to the public on morals. Now they sell it on precedent without thinking much about the original principles.
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Dec 12, 2014 16:34
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I live in north seattle and had no power all night. :\ Right on the edge of my grid too. I got to watch my neighbors with their lights and power >< Luckily none of the gigantic trees fell down though!
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Dec 12, 2014 17:11
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Solkanar512 posted:So how should the initiative been written, given the limitation on how many things can be legislated on in one go? I never knew there was a limit of how much could be written in an initiative or referendum or bill at once in WA state. IS this why no one has ever taken up the reigns and written in a "drop the sales tax down to 2% and replace with income tax" ?
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MrKatharsis posted:You don't think the motivation behind sin taxes is to discourage/punish the poor from their wicked unproductive ways? Politicians are money hungry but they're self righteous even more so. Marijuana is a bit of an exception because most of the pro legalization arguments revolved around taxing it like alcohol.
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Tigntink posted:I never knew there was a limit of how much could be written in an initiative or referendum or bill at once in WA state. IS this why no one has ever taken up the reigns and written in a "drop the sales tax down to 2% and replace with income tax" ? Someone really should do that. After living in "Taxachusetts," I was shocked at how much worse WA's situation is. The funniest thing is that greatest opposition to such a measure probably comes from those it'd benefit most.
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Dec 12, 2014 17:24
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I get the feeling it would be a pretty massive under taking because you'd have to pinpoint each specific type of sales tax. Prepared food, clothing, and what ever other individual categories exist.
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Dec 12, 2014 17:38
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Tigntink posted:I never knew there was a limit of how much could be written in an initiative or referendum or bill at once in WA state. IS this why no one has ever taken up the reigns and written in a "drop the sales tax down to 2% and replace with income tax" ? From my understanding, this is exactly the reason.
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Dec 12, 2014 17:56
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Initiatives can only be about one issue. Tim Eyman had a couple overturned for that.
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That sounds awkward. It's a shame changing the tax situation's so tricky. Shifting billions in revenue out of sales & property tax over to a flat tax would save the majority of Washington money. Like, WA residents had $299,685,263,000 of income in 2011. WA state had $45,342,000,000 of tax revenue in 2011, of which sales and property tax were $24,628,000,000. Mathing this out, tax revenue equals 15.13% of total state income, with just sales & property as 8.2%. How are things now? On average, your household doesn't pay that little toward sales & property tax until around $50k, which is a little under the Median of $56k:  So, if you go hog wild on this and just drop in an 8.2% flat-tax, no income exemption, and zero-out sales and property taxes then you'll actually raise taxes on slightly more than half of Washington. But if you keep the tax at <5%, given the current tax liability distribution, you'd easily push the 0-point between lowered and raised taxes over median. I'd need additional data to figure out where that point would be for a given rate, but a small revenue-neutral flat-tax would easily lower most Washingtonians taxes. Accretionist fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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Dec 12, 2014 19:47
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Assuming it's constitutional, couldn't you structure it as two ballot measures (one adding an income tax and the other decreasing the sales tax), with a poison pill provision so that if only one passes, neither goes into effect?
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Dec 12, 2014 19:58
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Except that flat taxes don't work, and still place an unfair burden on those with the lowest incomes. But hey, if you can make your idea a progressive tax based on income bracket, then you'll be talking.
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Dec 12, 2014 19:59
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Error 404 posted:Except that flat taxes don't work, and still place an unfair burden on those with the lowest incomes. They work, they're just crappier than progressive taxes. But they're an easier sell to conservatives and I think someone mentioned a Washington Supreme Court ruling barring state-level progressive income taxes so we're kinda stuck(, I guess). Accretionist fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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Dec 12, 2014 20:07
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in terms of lawmaking, ineptitude:washington::maliciousness:mississippi it's breathtaking how bad both our politicians and the general voting public are at making good decisions about anything, ever
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Dec 12, 2014 21:32
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Accretionist posted:I think someone mentioned a Washington Supreme Court ruling barring state-level progressive income taxes so we're kinda stuck(, I guess). The supreme court ruling everyone loves bringing up is from 1932 and uses an outdated definition of income as property. It would almost certainly be overturned if the issue came up again. The current court is so chickenshit they probably wouldn't even try.
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Dec 12, 2014 22:41
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Out here in Jefferson county we had some pretty good gusts yesterday. Must've had at least a dozen downed powerlines throughout the area, more than a few fallen trees, and a complete blackout for Cape George, Port Hadlock, and Chimacum. I imagine a lot of the other areas lost power too, but I wasn't covering any of them so I wouldn't know. gently caress all happened to Brinnon though, they didn't have anything to deal with. Seems like the winds peaked in the evening right around dinnertime, and then eventually petered out by midnight or so. e: when I was on Swansonville road out by Port Ludlow last night, there were parts of it that were just carpeted with debris. Seemed like that place got hit pretty hard. Wanamingo fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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Dec 12, 2014 23:06
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I lost power for about 8 hours last night. Before going to bed, I saw around half a dozen transformers blow up around the neighborhood.A Bag of Milk posted:From the comments: The colorado/washington slap fight ended months ago. Move on already.
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Dec 13, 2014 00:12
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Freakazoid_ posted:I lost power for about 8 hours last night. Before going to bed, I saw around half a dozen transformers blow up around the neighborhood. Now is the time to brainstorm talking points for lowering pot prices.
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Dec 13, 2014 00:29
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Accretionist posted:Now is the time to brainstorm talking points for lowering pot prices.
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Dec 13, 2014 01:10
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Accretionist posted:Now is the time to brainstorm talking points for lowering pot prices.  Only you can lower pot prices.http://generalhydroponics.com/site/index.php/products/nutrients/flora_series/
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Dec 13, 2014 01:18
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It is pretty stupid to have recreational weed priced so high when you can sneeze and find someone to sell you weed for like half the price. My guess is they will start taking aim at the 'medical' market because it's honestly the easiest competition for them to target.
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Dec 13, 2014 01:25
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We won't stamp out the black market unless prices are remotely competitive? It's a subsidy for WA eateries and the video game industry?
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Dec 13, 2014 01:25
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I've replaced my bad joke with an actual suggestion: "A high tax creates drug dealers" The contrast makes it sticky, right? Two contrasting images side-by-side makes it stand out: "Cheap marijuana fights crime." Accretionist fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Dec 13, 2014 |
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Dec 13, 2014 01:54
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Accretionist posted:Now is the time to brainstorm talking points for lowering pot prices. Uncle Ikes seems to have the best prices of all the official stores. It's still kind of high (like $10-20/gram) but not ludicrous like in the past ($30+/gram). I just read the indian reservations are mulling over whether they want to sell marijuana too. Apparently the DoJ has said they won't prosecute them if they do, but some of the spokespeople for reservations said they still might not do it. That would probably help put pressure on prices if they started selling since they wouldn't have to worry about all the taxes and such.
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Dec 13, 2014 02:11
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DrNutt posted:It is pretty stupid to have recreational weed priced so high when you can sneeze and find someone to sell you weed for like half the price. My guess is they will start taking aim at the 'medical' market because it's honestly the easiest competition for them to target. The Seattle mayor just announced yesterday that they're going to crack down on all the delivery services and black market stuff that's operating in the open. I have a feeling their days are probably numbered, so probably want to stock up while you can.
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Dec 13, 2014 02:13
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Ha, if Indian reservations charged cigarette prices for weed product-substitution would kill all illegal drugs in 100 miles.
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Dec 13, 2014 02:25
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Accretionist posted:Ha, if Indian reservations charged cigarette prices for weed product-substitution would kill all illegal drugs in 100 miles. Is crossing on and off of a reservation "interstate commerce"?
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Dec 13, 2014 02:27
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Portland is dieing!!! RIP
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quote:“As a single gay guy from London,” the source says, Watson “underestimated what it would be like. It was a culture shock. And there’s no point in having a great job if you feel unhappy with your surroundings.” The decision to leave the shoe giant crystalized for Watson while home in London with his family over the Thanksgiving break. London's the god damned metropole. A fair loss, Portland. No shame in this one.
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Dec 13, 2014 04:17
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Accretionist posted:London's the god damned metropole. A fair loss, Portland. No shame in this one. I would find Portland boring if I lived on a cult compound in Beaverton.
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I live in Klamath Falls  I just wanted to share that.
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Man moves to Oregon for all the wrong reasons. Doesn't like it. Leaves. Hold the presses.
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Dec 13, 2014 07:42
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Kaal posted:Man moves to Oregon for all the wrong reasons. Doesn't like it. Leaves. Hold the presses. Something something Nike, so somebody, somewhere, cares.
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Kaal posted:Man moves to Oregon for all the wrong reasons. Doesn't like it. Leaves. Hold the presses.
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anthonypants posted:it flies in the face of all the Portland Is Such A Great Place To Move To articles, which is why it is notable and also why it is good I'm sure it shocks the world that the city of skinny guys with scruffy beards has zero appeal to a gay man.
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