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Not a viking
Aug 2, 2008

Feels like I just got laid

Corbeau posted:

Going to go ahead and compile the posted CA Starter stats spoiled (supposedly - though I believe them) from the main boards.

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Umbra Legates
MOV 6-2, CC 21, BS 12, PH 13, WIP 14, ARM 1, BTS 3, W 1, S 2, AVA 2
Special Skills: Advanced Deployment L1, CH:Mimetism, Kinematika L1, MA L4, V No Wound Incapacitation

K1 Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse, Pistol, DA CCW SWC 0, Cost 40
Spitfire, Flash Pulse, Pistol, DA CCW SWC 1.5, Cost 41
Hacking Device Plus, Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Pistol, DA CCW SWC 0.5, Cost 43
Lt, K1 Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse, Pistol, DA CCW SWC 0.5, Cost 40
Lt, Spitfire, Flash Pulse, Pistol, DA CCW SWC 1.5, Cost 41

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Fraacta Drop Unit: Jump Form
MOV 4-4, CC 14, BS 12, PH 12, WIP 12, ARM 1, BTS 3, W 1, S 2, AVA 2
Special Skills: AD Combat Jump, Transmutation, V Courage

Fraacta Drop Unit: Survival Form
MOV 4-2, CC 14, BS 12, PH 10, WIP 12, ARM 2, BTS 6, W 1, S 2
Special Skills: V Courage

Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Pistol, Knife, SWC 0, Cost 29
Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Pistol, Knife, SWC 0, Cost 28
Spitfire, Nanopulser, Pistol, Knife, SWC 1.5, Cost 35
El Assault Hacking Device, Combi Rifel, Nanopulser, Pistol, Knife, SWC 0.5, Cost 35

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Maakrep Trackers Unit
MOV 4-2, CC 15, BS 12, PH 11, WIP 13, ARM 2, BTS 3, W 1, S 2, AVA 3
Equipment: AutoMedKit, MSV L2
Special Skills: Sixth Sense L1, V Courage

Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun, Pistol, Knife, SWC 0, Cost 29
HMG, Pistol, Knife, SWC 1.5, Cost 33
Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Pistol, Knife, SWC 0, Cost 26
Multi Sniper Rifle, Pistol, Knife, SWC 1.5, Cost 33
El Hacking Device, Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Pistol, Knife, SWC 0.5, Cost 34
Lt, Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun, Pistol, Knife, SWC 1, Cost 29

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Unidron Batroids
MOV 4-4, CC 5, BS 11, PH 10, WIP 12, ARM 1, BTS 6, STR 1, S 2, AVA 4
Special Skills: G:Autotool, V:Dogged

Plasma Carbine, Pistol, Electric Pulse SWC 0, Cost 14
K1 Combi Rifle, Pistol, Electric Pulse SWC 0.5, Cost 16
K1 Combi Rifle + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1), Pistol, Electric Pulse SWC 0.5, Cost 17
Plasma Sniper Rifle, Pistol, Electric Pulse SWC 1.5, Cost 24
Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun, Pistol, Electric Pulse SWC 1.5, Cost 20
Spitfire, Pistol, Electric Pulse SWC 1, Cost 18
Plasma Carbine, Pistol, Electric Pulse SWC 0, Cost 15

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I'm getting the impression of a very hard-hitting but very fragile army here. Sort of like JSA, except with a metric ton of advanced tech.

Thanks man! About to order that starter as soon as it hits the online stores. What are the stats for Plasma carbines?

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Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010
Plasma Carbine (Blast Mode)
Short 0-8 (+3), Medium 8-16 (+3), Long 16-32 (-3), Max 32-40 (-6)
Damage 13
Burst 2
Ammo Plasma
Traits Impact Template (Small Teardrop)

Plasma Carbine (Hit Mode)
Short 0-8 (+3), Medium 8-16 (+3), Long 16-32 (-3), Max 32-40 (-6)
Damage 14
Burst 2
Ammo Plasma
Traits ----


Plasma ammo is one normal arm roll and one bts roll for possible additional damage.

Pierzak fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Dec 12, 2014

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades
Tons of spoilers now on the official boards with more coming all the time (including that Pretas lost their absolutely bullshit mines). Personally, I'm loving every single thing that's been revealed about N3 so far - with the possible exception of it not covering HS and Paradiso rules/units. I had no idea how many totally new units were coming with N3. It's like a full expansion book on top of the expected rules re-write.

Indolent Bastard
Oct 26, 2007

I WON THIS AMAZING AVATAR! I'M A WINNER! WOOOOO!

Infeckt posted:

So my N3 books will be here monday, but my icestorm comission won't be done for about another month. Would it be better to dive right into the new books while I wait, or hide them and start with the Icestorm guides when it comes in?

dive right into the new books

Comrade Merf
Jun 2, 2011
Holyshit those CA stats yessss. Where can a guy get the new book and CA starter? I took an extended break from the game around the time Icestorm went up for pre-order and want to dive back in.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Comrade Merf posted:

Holyshit those CA stats yessss. Where can a guy get the new book and CA starter? I took an extended break from the game around the time Icestorm went up for pre-order and want to dive back in.
CA starter in stores. New book, in stores soon.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
Now, to see if i want to risk it by ordering a Corregidor or Qualpu starter...

Also, eject TAG pilot :allears:

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
Does HD+ really give people an Impersonation choice?

If so, lol@ Asura, Legate and Charontid.


e: Holy gently caress, the Makrep is loving deviant for 33pts on HMG/MSR.

e2: In fact, all that stuff is pretty deviant for what you pay.

Clawtopsy fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Dec 13, 2014

Cyclomatic
May 29, 2012

"I'm past caring about what might be lost by letting alphabet soups monitor every last piece of communication between every human being on the planet."

I unironically love Big Brother.
What does Doctor PLUS do?

Have there been any interesting changes to the remotes?

How exactly do the building stats, building rules, and equipment like d-charges and anti-material work? Is it Xcom with miniatures now? Please let it be Xcom with miniatures.

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades
Hacking rules have been scanned and posted by a forum member on the official forums. I'm not entirely sure it's okay, so I'm not linking it, but nobody official has complained so far. Hopefully it's okay.

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

WAR FOOT posted:

Does HD+ really give people an Impersonation choice?

If so, lol@ Asura, Legate and Charontid.


e: Holy gently caress, the Makrep is loving deviant for 33pts on HMG/MSR.

e2: In fact, all that stuff is pretty deviant for what you pay.

The hacking program gives out the Impersonation-2 state. Real impersonation is Impersonation-1, then the first Discover moves you to Impersonation-2.

So it gives out half-effective Impersonate, without the deployment option.

Cyclomatic
May 29, 2012

"I'm past caring about what might be lost by letting alphabet soups monitor every last piece of communication between every human being on the planet."

I unironically love Big Brother.
Hacking airborne deployments now works in a sane manner.

The hack is an ARO in response to the declaration of the jump.

Hurray for non-broken rules.

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...

JoshTheStampede posted:

The hacking program gives out the Impersonation-2 state. Real impersonation is Impersonation-1, then the first Discover moves you to Impersonation-2.

So it gives out half-effective Impersonate, without the deployment option.

That is still incredible, though.

Is there anything in there to make it not stupid to choose AD or TO as your LT?

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


We got a good rulebook now boyz.

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro
I also like the "+3 ph for my combat jumpers" and "free firewalls for my HI" programs.

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

WAR FOOT posted:

That is still incredible, though.

Is there anything in there to make it not stupid to choose AD or TO as your LT?

Nope, apart from loss of lt not being quite so ballcrushing now. You still start in Loss if your Lt isn't on the table.

tokenbrownguy
Apr 1, 2010

How's the Adriana hacking situation looking? Are they still stuck with that crappy overpriced Nomad?

e: or am I misunderstanding what's been released. Do we have statblocks for N3?

Cyclomatic
May 29, 2012

"I'm past caring about what might be lost by letting alphabet soups monitor every last piece of communication between every human being on the planet."

I unironically love Big Brother.
I like that hackers can use whitenoise to block LOF for models with an MSV.

Kind of karmic for a hacker to place white noise and for a model without an MSV to then shoot the visor model!

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...

JoshTheStampede posted:

Nope, apart from loss of lt not being quite so ballcrushing now. You still start in Loss if your Lt isn't on the table.

Dang.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010
Collected spoilers from the official forums:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18YT8Ypg-46p8wWbqjB1mGsV_E0F4JfZ1FPC7zfFVzGQ/edit?usp=sharing

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
I'm guessing not because they're Human Sphere, but is there an update on how Posthumans work?

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades
Giving a remote Marksman L2 seems pretty loving boss too, especially on a TR remote. Going to have to take another look at REMs.

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...

JoshTheStampede posted:

Nope, apart from loss of lt not being quite so ballcrushing now. You still start in Loss if your Lt isn't on the table.

I have just learnt about a skill called Executive Order, though. Hac Tao have it, and rather than be a LT, they replace your current LT when they pop onto the table. That's kind of funny, as you could then supplant Sun Tze as your general.

It would be a fantastic and thematic skill for characters like Shinobu, Diomedes, Van Zant and Ko Dali to pick up.

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

WAR FOOT posted:

I have just learnt about a skill called Executive Order, though. Hac Tao have it, and rather than be a LT, they replace your current LT when they pop onto the table. That's kind of funny, as you could then supplant Sun Tze as your general.

It would be a fantastic and thematic skill for characters like Shinobu, Diomedes, Van Zant and Ko Dali to pick up.

Oh, yeah, good point. When I read that I kinda didn't get what it was for, but yeah it's clearly so you can have your "real" Lt jump in and have some chump hold his bags until he shows up. It's like reverse Chain of Command.

e: Actually now that I think of it CoC isn't in this book and the list of who counts as specialists in the scenarios in the end don't mention it either. Is CoC a later book thing?

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010
Yes. BTW, can you post if anything changed about Shasvastii units (Shrouded, Malignos, Speculo) and basic remotes?

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

Pierzak posted:

Yes. BTW, can you post if anything changed about Shasvastii units (Shrouded, Malignos, Speculo) and basic remotes?

I wasn't well versed on Shasvasti before, so I can't really tell if anything changed. I can answer specific questions if you want.

REMs look largely the same. Need a hacker or TAG to field them, cant go prone, etc. Actually, the Prone description offhandedly mentiones "models that cannot go prone such as remotes and TAGs", but I cant find where it actually explains that they can't.

The basic 8 pointers seem to come with Sniffer now, which is like a deployable repeater for the Sensor skill.

Comrade Merf
Jun 2, 2011
What changed with the Morat special rule and religious troops?

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

Comrade Merf posted:

What changed with the Morat special rule and religious troops?

Religious: Auto-pass Guts rolls, and cannot choose to fail. If you want to fail a Guts roll you have to roll, and you get reverse results: If you PASS you can do whatever you want, if you fail you have to stay where you are and cant dive for cover. You also Ignore the Retreat state.

Veteran Lvl 1: You always remain Regular, even in Loss of Lt, you ignore Retreat, and you ignore Isolated.

Morat: You have Religious and Veteran Lvl 1.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

JoshTheStampede posted:

Religious: Auto-pass Guts rolls, and cannot choose to fail. If you want to fail a Guts roll you have to roll, and you get reverse results: If you PASS you can do whatever you want, if you fail you have to stay where you are and cant dive for cover. You also Ignore the Retreat state.

Veteran Lvl 1: You always remain Regular, even in Loss of Lt, you ignore Retreat, and you ignore Isolated.

Morat: You have Religious and Veteran Lvl 1.

Mercs aren't in the main book, right? I wander what happens to Tigers and Pirates.

Hope they push out that updated army builder soon. I want to play around with starters. Qualpu looks fun, especially with the merc potential, but (and i repeat myself) Odalisques are butt ugly.

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
I don't mind the Odalisque models. Maybe I'm an outlier, though.

They're pretty much one of the only models that CB's obsession with Combat Heels is appropriate on :v:

Bear Throne
Apr 9, 2014
Do we have any info on Joan of Arc? She was able to hit bs 21 in N2, and with the much more affordable Hospitallers, this link might actually see some use.

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
I wonder if rules for Link Teams are even in there. Aren't they a HS thing?

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

JoshTheStampede posted:

I wasn't well versed on Shasvasti before, so I can't really tell if anything changed. I can answer specific questions if you want.

Full stats/loadouts if possible. If not:
- Speculo loadouts
- all costs
- any new loadouts fo Shrouded/Malignos? (had: combi, BS, hacker, FO, minelayer Shrouded, monomine Malignos)
- do they still have MSR, or did they switch to plasma or K1?
- drone costs
- does Q-Drone still have mimetism?

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro
Mercs are in here, but only a few (yuan yuan, auth bounty hunters, new hacker Mercs called Wardrivers that Ariadna can take in ITS, and the CSU that neoterran can take.

Link teams aren't in here at all but are mentioned where appropriate (like clarifying how it works with impetuous)

Joan is in here, but only the normal version, not Joan 2.0. She's CC23, BS15, Martial Arts 3, and still has inspiring leadership, which now makes everyone Regular but doesn't give them her impetuous when she gets it (she still has frenzy)

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010
Got Shasvastii, don't bother. Speculo's got a shotgun loadout! :flashfap:

Pierzak fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Dec 13, 2014

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro
/\/\/\ Ninjad in the worst way! :P

Pierzak posted:

Full stats/loadouts if possible. If not:
- Speculo loadouts
- all costs
- any new loadouts fo Shrouded/Malignos? (had: combi, BS, hacker, FO, minelayer Shrouded, monomine Malignos)
- do they still have MSR, or did they switch to plasma or K1?
- drone costs
- does Q-Drone still have mimetism?

Speculo has two loadouts: Combi/smoke and boarding shotgun/smoke. Still monoCCW, automedkit, MA3, and now has Kinematica 1. 35 points, 34 for the shotgun version.

Shrouded and Malignos are two different units now, looks like. Each is AVA 2, Shrouded have Camo, infiltrate, automedkit, and have these loadouts: Combi, BS, MSR, Hacker, FO. Malignos are TO, infiltrate, automedkit, +1 Wip, +1 Arm, +3 BTS over Shrouded and have these loadouts: Combi, BS, monomines, MSR, hacker, FO, observer (all except monomines has AP mines). None of them have Minelayer. In fact Minelayer doesn't appear in this book at all.

Q-drone still has mimetism. Q is 26 pts for the HMG, 25 for Plasma Rifle. M is 17 pts for deactivator, FO, repeater, sat-lock, sensor and a sniffer(which all the FO bots seem to have gotten as a suite), T is 18, R is 8.

Bear Throne
Apr 9, 2014

JoshTheStampede posted:

Joan is in here, but only the normal version, not Joan 2.0. She's CC23, BS15, Martial Arts 3, and still has inspiring leadership, which now makes everyone Regular but doesn't give them her impetuous when she gets it (she still has frenzy)

Can you give weapons/points for her?

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...

Pierzak posted:

Got Shasvastii, don't bother. Speculo's got a shotgun loadout! :flashfap:

Let's be honest, we're all lurking that thread on that other board, aren't we.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

WAR FOOT posted:

Let's be honest, we're all lurking that thread on that other board, aren't we.
Official forums, 4chan, and compiling the unified list. Guilty as charged.

JoshTheStampede posted:

Q-drone still has mimetism. Q is 26 pts for the HMG, 25 for Plasma Rifle. M is 17 pts for deactivator, FO, repeater, sat-lock, sensor and a sniffer(which all the FO bots seem to have gotten as a suite), T is 18, R is 8.
Wow, a lot's changed then. Can you post stats/costs for basic human drones? Like Yaokongs?

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Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...

Pierzak posted:

Official forums, 4chan, and compiling the unified list. Guilty as charged.

Honestly, it's kind of funny watching some of the people on 4chan fling poo poo at each other as I wait for the helpful guy to post stuff.

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