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Wow you guys hate cops so much that its taboo to talk about them doing good things in the community. That's uh... Not healthy at all.
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Cole posted:No. That's not what I said at all. I said the media creates a perception of police corruption due to an imbalances reporting practice for a ratings grab. So people are going to start thinking you are corrupt. And when people think you are corrupt when you arent, it does not help corruption. Or they could man up and be professionals like everyone else. Most people can do good things in the community without needing a media circus around it. Even people somewhat in the public eye. A personality type with a need for validation from others is probably the wrong kind to be a cop.
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Dec 14, 2014 20:25
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Cole posted:Wow you guys hate cops so much that its taboo to talk about them doing good things in the community. Nobody claimed that, at all, Cole posted:you twat.
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Dec 14, 2014 20:27
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Panzeh posted:Or they could man up and be professionals like everyone else. Most people can do good things in the community without needing a media circus around it. Even people somewhat in the public eye. So public service jobs don't deserve any media recognition even though they are in the public and public perception of a public institution is kind of important. So public service workers are off limits from any praise. You're a loving rear end in a top hat.
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Dec 14, 2014 20:27
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Jack of Hearts posted:Nobody claimed that, at all, The thread said cops shouldn't be reported on positively because they are just doing their jobs.
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Dec 14, 2014 20:28
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Cole posted:The thread said cops shouldn't be reported on positively because they are just doing their jobs. There shouldn't be an assumption that they're entitled to public fanfare for doing their jobs, no. If a police officer happens to do something particularly courageous or kind or otherwise above and beyond the call of duty, literally no one would complain about them getting good press for it. You're the one claiming they should be entitled to public adulation. Well, make a case.
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Dec 14, 2014 20:30
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The police are powerful whether we express our gratitude for them or not. Powerful people deserve constant scrutiny, not back-patting.
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Dec 14, 2014 20:32
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Cole posted:So public service jobs don't deserve any media recognition even though they are in the public and public perception of a public institution is kind of important. It's quite obvious that creating a public attitude of innate trust for the police will not clamp down on corruption. As I said before, they get enough praise from their superiors and subordinates in normal life, and their family, too. If that's not enough then there's obviously a problem and it's not the media. BREAKING STORY, OFFICER BOB GIVES HOMELESS MAN A $20. PRAISE BE TO THE COPS.
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Dec 14, 2014 20:33
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Cole posted:And when people think you are corrupt when you arent, it does not help corruption. Please explain how this works. Does a cop say "My god, it must be true, I AM a racist! Time to go apply racially biased standards for reasonable suspicion!" Cole posted:Wow you guys hate cops so much that its taboo to talk about them doing good things in the community. Cole posted:The thread said cops shouldn't be reported on positively because they are just doing their jobs. You still don't understand the difference between "the media should not be obligated to report" and "the media should be prohibited from reporting"? As much as I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, it seems like you're deliberately setting up strawmen. Please think about why you're doing this instead of engaging people's actual arguments. hepatizon fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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Dec 14, 2014 20:33
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:You're missing the point. Cops (and prosecutors and politicians for that matter) that refuse to enforce laws against other cops are not "good cops". Exactly, there's functionally no difference between the cop that cries himself to sleep every night for not intervening that time his partner beat a homeless guy and the cop who gets a huge rush every time he thinks about it. The homeless dude still got beat and nobody got in trouble for it at the end of the day. Cole posted:No. That's not what I said at all. I said the media creates a perception of police corruption due to an imbalances reporting practice for a ratings grab. So people are going to start thinking you are corrupt. And when people think you are corrupt when you arent, it does not help corruption. That would be a problem if there wasn't widespread corruption in the police force. I think you really underestimate the depth of the problem. Cole posted:Wow you guys hate cops so much that its taboo to talk about them doing good things in the community. No, we just object to trying deflect attention away from the problems in the police force. It's a serious problem that needs to be talked about in the public space, once the problem isn't as ridiculously endemic as it is with we can cover the good things more often.
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Cole posted:No. That's not what I said at all. I said the media creates a perception of police corruption due to an imbalances reporting practice for a ratings grab. So people are going to start thinking you are corrupt. And when people think you are corrupt when you arent, it does not help corruption. First, you're being much more reasonable in your posting today, so thanks for trying to have more of a discussion for once. Second, I can think of a story of police corruption of some sort reported in the last two years in at least half of the towns around me (north Chicago suburbs). These things are confirmed, where (light imo) punishments were handed out. I don't think this is the media portraying them as corrupt, as it's just the local papers reporting on what's been going on. Am I wrong to think this is a problem?
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Sure he raped an underage prostitute but why isn't THE MEDIA reporting on that time he bought groceries for a white family? Tell me that, lieberals. 
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Also this whole thing is completely stupid and backwards because THE MEDIA routinely downplay police brutality and corruption, particularly the kind that depends on the police for continued reporting (local papers, etc.) and the reason for this is wait for it cops are such corrupt insecure whiny loving babies that they'll blackball anyone who points out their insanely lovely behavior and this includes reporters and prosecutors and even city mayors have been known to be thrown under the bus from time to time.
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Woozy posted:cops are such corrupt insecure whiny loving babies that they'll blackball anyone who points out their insanely lovely behavior and this includes reporters and prosecutors and even city mayors have been known to be thrown under the bus from time to time.
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Dec 14, 2014 21:13
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Cole posted:The thread said cops shouldn't be reported on positively because they are just doing their jobs. When you say "The thread" is that including you too? Or is it just the people who don't agree with you?
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Dec 14, 2014 21:24
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I like all the apologists looking at pictures of dead black kids on the ground and then they pop up like, "yeah, but this one bought a lady eggs"
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Dead Reckoning posted:Except for the part where they repeatedly identified themselves as police before drawing. It's so reassuring to know that they made sure every single person there knew that before drawing a gun an unarmed crowd and waving it around. It surely would have been a pity if someone hadn't been able to hear a single voice in a massive protest and simply saw a guy in street-clothes menacing a crowd with a gun. Clearly the cop should be held up as an example of best police practices, and not lambasted as a clear example of the failure of the entire concept of secret police.  Misogynist posted:I like all the apologists looking at pictures of dead black kids on the ground and then they pop up like, "yeah, but this one bought a lady eggs" The reality is that cops could shoot up streets daily and folks like Cole and Actus would still eat it up. Fox and the GOP use race-baiting and fear-mongering to control their constituents, and promoting cops as the sole line of defence against liberals is a key element of that. Kaal fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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Dec 14, 2014 21:31
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Kaal posted:It's so reassuring to know that they made sure every single person there knew that before drawing a gun an unarmed crowd and waving it around. It surely would have been a pity if someone hadn't been able to hear a single voice in a massive protest and simply saw a guy in street-clothes menacing a crowd with a gun. Clearly the cop should be held up as an example of best police practices, and not lambasted as a clear example of the failure of the entire concept of secret police. In that specific case it sounds like he drew on the crowd only after his partner was assaulted and the crowd continued to ... well ... crowd in on them. So far this sounds like an appropriate use of force. Given the current response to uniformed police, undercover deployment *seems* to be less of a provocation unless we find out that they were there to stir up trouble and discredit the protests.
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Bel Shazar posted:In that specific case it sounds like he drew on the crowd only after his partner was assaulted and the crowd continued to ... well ... crowd in on them. So far this sounds like an appropriate use of force. What he did was textbook menacing and if he weren't a cop he'd have already been punted through the justice system for it. You can't draw a gun and wave it around at people for being within 10 feet of you. Doing so in a crowd of people makes it an incitement to violence, as well as disturbing the peace; he could have easily started a riot with his actions. People get trampled in stampedes caused by far less provocation than a guy waving a gun around and threatening everyone around them. It was completely negligent behavior on his part, and he and his partner should never have allowed themselves to be in the position of trying to arrest a guy while in the middle of an angry crowd, with absolutely no identification, and using a gun to do it. They clearly should have withdrawn - indeed they should never have been pretending to be protesters in the first place. quote:Given the current response to uniformed police, undercover deployment *seems* to be less of a provocation unless we find out that they were there to stir up trouble and discredit the protests. Given the current response to uniformed police, the correct action is to decrease police provocation not do it even more with secret police.
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Haha, y'all actually argued with Cole for 3 pages. This campus cop is gonna get fired for not tazing a student: http://www.montereyherald.com/general-news/20141204/csu-monterey-bay-officer-investigated-for-not-using-stun-gun quote:Marina >> A CSU Monterey Bay police officer was given a notice of termination this week for choosing not to use a stun gun on a student in need of medical treatment following a suicide attempt in February, the officer’s union said Thursday.
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Ahh never mindquote:Freelance reporter Courtney Harrop has Storified a series of eyewitness posts from protesters and journalists who witnessed the undercover agent’s activity, which reportedly included encouraging protesters to loot and commit other crimes, before the agents were outed Yeah, gently caress those guys. http://bearingarms.com/self-defense-oakland-undercover-cop-pulls-gun-protesters-attack/
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Police infiltrate protests, political groups, and civil rights groups just to protect their members from each other. Remember the rapes in occupy? If only there had been more undercover cops. You'd have to be an entitled cop-hating cry baby to think the police ever have ulterior motives than protecting the rights of protesters from within.
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Baronjutter posted:Police infiltrate protests, political groups, and civil rights groups just to protect their members from each other. Remember the rapes in occupy? If only there had been more undercover cops. You'd have to be an entitled cop-hating cry baby to think the police ever have ulterior motives than protecting the rights of protesters from within. Just in case you're not being sarcastic, enjoy: http://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro/cointel-pro-black-extremists/cointelpro-black-extremists-part-01-of/view Thousands more pages where that came from.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Just in case you're not being sarcastic, enjoy:
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Things the FBI did in the sixties are totally relevant to the CHP in 2014. Seeing how those CHP officers were caught trying to incite violence during a protest, it actually has some relevance yes.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Things the FBI did in the sixties are totally relevant to the CHP in 2014. Well, yes, the structural problems and resulting insane tactics of a law enforcement agency are broadly illustrative.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Things the FBI did in the sixties are totally relevant to the CHP in 2014. You really think it would be a challenge to source a litany of similar tactics used by local, state, and federal law enforcement in the years since then? COINTELPRO is a convenient citation because it was long enough ago that the results of the investigation have been declassified and published, but it is by no means the only time that law enforcement has illegally undermined peaceful political activity.
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FBI / CIA activities in the 1960s are directly related to actions today because the bastards who perpetrated those programs actually run the drat agencies now.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:You really think it would be a challenge to source a litany of similar tactics used by local, state, and federal law enforcement in the years since then? COINTELPRO is a convenient citation because it was long enough ago that the results of the investigation have been declassified and published, but it is by no means the only time that law enforcement has illegally undermined peaceful political activity. And I'll even provide an example, so that the pedantic among us can move on: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coordinated-crackdown-occupy quote:It was more sophisticated than we had imagined: new documents show that the violent crackdown on Occupy last fall – so mystifying at the time – was not just coordinated at the level of the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and local police. The crackdown, which involved, as you may recall, violent arrests, group disruption, canister missiles to the skulls of protesters, people held in handcuffs so tight they were injured, people held in bondage till they were forced to wet or soil themselves –was coordinated with the big banks themselves.
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Cole posted:Do you guys hate black cops as much as white cops Nosfereefer posted:Goddamn black loving D&D posters, am i right? Ok, you didn't respond, but what the hell is this supposed to mean? Are you saying D&D likes black people too much? I don't see any way to interpret that and it reflects poorly on your soul.
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Nonsense posted:FBI / CIA activities in the 1960s are directly related to actions today because the bastards who perpetrated those programs actually run the drat agencies now.
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Kaal posted:The reality is that cops could shoot up streets daily and folks like Cole and Actus would still eat it up. Fox and the GOP use race-baiting and fear-mongering to control their constituents, and promoting cops as the sole line of defence against liberals is a key element of that. Tell me more about what I think.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Anyone in charge of anything in the 60's would be what, like 90 years old now? Is the CHP run by a 90 year old? The agents who did those things in the field from the 60s now run things. Their task masters are worm food.
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Nonsense posted:The agents who did those things in the field from the 60s now run things.
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Anyone else going to the Pro-Cop rally on the 19th? http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/pro_nypd_rally_planned_for_dec.html I think it would be nice to show some support for those who put their lives on the line.
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  What the loving hell is wrong with the Cleveland police department? Can you imagine being 14 years old, understandably hysterical as your little brother has just been shot, only to be handcuffed and thrown into a squad car along with him as he bled to death, receiving no aid from officers? Can you imagine being the mother of both of these children, also understandably hysterical, being threatened with arrest if you didn't "calm down" sufficiently enough despite the fact that one of your children is dying right in front of you?
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I love how every cop thread on these forums ends up with a few posters fighting like hell to talk about the good side of cops or otherwise "balance the discussion" by taking the focus off of people getting shot unarmed and beaten and the justice system blatantly ignoring it in almost every single case. Cole posted:Wow you guys hate cops so much that its taboo to talk about them doing good things in the community. You know like this! Yeah that's what this nation needs. We need more reporting on what the good cops do. Otherwise we're not being fair and balanced. This needs to be a no spin zone. Yes, I came up with both of those ideas completely on my own with no outside help whatsoever.
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Reminder that "cop buys groceries for someone" is a time honored staple of the slow news day. The notion that there's some media bias against cops is just the typical reactionary persecution complex at work. The most thorough investigative reporting gets when it comes to the police is digging up dirt on their latest victim.
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Slipknot Hoagie posted:I think it would be nice to show some support for those who put their lives on the line.
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I haven't seen this posted here, an American history comedy podcast is doing an LAPD month, and there are hilarious levels of police corruption in it: http://thedollop.libsyn.com/40-lapd-2-the-james-davis-years
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