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qntm posted:I just... I would quite like to see this. I think it would be neat. A story where Flash is at the very top of the hierarchy of all Earth superheroes instead of Superman. I think there could be some good stories in that concept Wasn't that basically the case in the old Justice League Unlimited cartoon? Flash pulling out all the stops allows him to beat an enemy that took down the rest of the founding JL members without breaking a sweat. The show pointed out a few times that the only thing keeping Flash from annihilating anything that crosses his path is that he doesn't want to.
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Polaron posted:Wasn't that basically the case in the old Justice League Unlimited cartoon? Flash pulling out all the stops allows him to beat an enemy that took down the rest of the founding JL members without breaking a sweat. The show pointed out a few times that the only thing keeping Flash from annihilating anything that crosses his path is that he doesn't want to. Sort of, he took out Luthor fused with Brainiac but it took basically everything he had and he was almost consumed by the Speed Force as a result. It took the entire founding League to (literally) pull him back. It was more of a "he could take care of anything he wanted but probably once at great cost" thing.
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Dec 16, 2014 03:17
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If he felt like it, Flash could kill everyone on the planet before you could blink.
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Dec 16, 2014 11:54
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That is badass. Flash: Observe as I violate the laws of physics as only a God of speed can. Ra's: I shall only show the mildest degree of awe at all this. I am more concerned with having my Cape put on my shoulders.
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:Sort of, he took out Luthor fused with Brainiac but it took basically everything he had and he was almost consumed by the Speed Force as a result. It took the entire founding League to (literally) pull him back. It was more of a "he could take care of anything he wanted but probably once at great cost" thing. In fact here is the scene in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53OyPYa7SEI I REALLY need to watch bot JL and JLU someday.
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I've watched every episode of JLU probably 3 or 4 times but I've still never watched all the way through JL
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CzarChasm posted:I'm a little surprised that "Kill Spider-man" isn't on there more than once. I thought it was "Clinton" "Who's behind the attack?" "THE FUTURE." "Your cape, father." "I HAVE NAMED MY CAPE 'THE FUTURE'!"
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The dude on Arrow would be a much better Ra's if he did the cool muttonchop/'stache thing comics Ra's has.
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OptimusShr posted:In fact here is the scene in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53OyPYa7SEI Hey guys I'm in paradise, this is great! JL: NOPE you signed a contract, bitch! Get over here.
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Jonny Nox posted:Hey guys I'm in paradise, this is great! Except that, unlike Buffy, the Flash didn't spend an entire season angsting about it. 
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FredMSloniker posted:Except that, unlike Buffy, the Flash didn't spend an entire season angsting about it. I'm not sure that's a point in JLU's favor.
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No one he loved or cared about existed in the Speed Force and he would have ceased to exist as a consciousness, it was just a Lotus Eater dimension. I'd say it's a point in JLU's favor.
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Plus it's rather nice to have at least one fictional universe where Wally West got to live happily ever after as a member of the Justice League, rather than being unceremoniously written out of existence in favour of more Barry Allen circlejerking.
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Fuego Fish posted:Plus it's rather nice to have at least one fictional universe where Wally West got to live happily ever after as a member of the Justice League, rather than being unceremoniously written out of existence in favour of more Barry Allen circlejerking. Or worse, Bart Allen 
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First Bass posted:Or worse, Bart Allen Before Geoff Johns made him Teen Wally Redux I actually really really liked Bart Allen 
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OptimusShr posted:In fact here is the scene in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53OyPYa7SEI JL is pretty good, but JLU is really great. Particularly because they have no problems dumping the big names from JL and running with episodes that either star B, C, and D listers or just have one big name with a handful of other members to back them up. So you get episodes about Booster Gold trying to be taken seriously, and Shining Knight / Vigilante teamups. Flash related, there is a JLU episode where Luthor and Flash switch brains (because comics) and Luthor spends the whole episode wrecking people on the Watchtower because Flash is actually really powerful and Luthor isn't nearly as considerate about using things like his ability to phase through (and thereby explode) matter. Honestly that episode has some of the best scenes. First Bass posted:Or worse, Bart Allen 
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Ashcans posted:JL is pretty good, but JLU is really great. Particularly because they have no problems dumping the big names from JL and running with episodes that either star B, C, and D listers or just have one big name with a handful of other members to back them up. So you get episodes about Booster Gold trying to be taken seriously, and Shining Knight / Vigilante teamups. It really does, if only because he does the smart thing and goes to pull off his mask in a mirror to see Flash's secret identity, only to realize he has NO idea who the hell Wally is
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Glagha posted:It really does, if only because he does the smart thing and goes to pull off his mask in a mirror to see Flash's secret identity, only to realize he has NO idea who the hell Wally is
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Zero_Tactility posted:Wally's voice actor also does a great job of mimicking the speech patterns Clancy Brown uses for Luthor. He did have experience playing Lex!
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Glagha posted:It really does, if only because he does the smart thing and goes to pull off his mask in a mirror to see Flash's secret identity, only to realize he has NO idea who the hell Wally is The switch is so great, not only for Luthor being a total dick with Flash's powers, but with Flash trying his best to pass for Luthor and fool the league of bad guys while having no idea what is going on and not being remotely as cunning as Lex is. Also, Flash has an adorable concept of evil. I think that exchange is tied with Lex (as Flash) bypassing Green Lantern's shield with yellow jello.
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I love the bit where Luthor-as-Flash ends up in the Watchtower's bathroom, and he says, "Well, if nothing else, I can discover the Flash's secret identity." <unmasks> "... I have no idea who this is." Flash-as-Luthor referring to himself in the third-person is great as well. Seriously, that whole last season of JLU is a big Super Friends riff and it's brilliant.
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Yeah that episode has some real stakes to it, because you come to realize that if Luthor-as-Flash gets off the Watchtower and gets to his tech? He's going to conquer the loving world, and he's going to do it in like a day.
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Batman and Robin #37 Batman and friends have been fighting through Apokolips to retrieve the body of Damian Wayne.   
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On one hand, that is kind of neat. On the other, 'Batman chumps gods like it ain't no thing' in a vacuum is very annoying. Oh look, he made Darkseid his bitch! Ain't it awesome? It'd be a lot more awesome if every writer didn't try and pull the Bat-God trick. At least Morrison was somewhat unique in his takes on it.
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I'm pretty sure Batman chumping Darkseid in everything from the comics to the DCAU and animated films is one of the few interesting things about Darkseid.
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First Bass posted:I'm pretty sure Batman chumping Darkseid in everything from the comics to the DCAU and animated films is one of the few interesting things about Darkseid. But he doesn't chump Darkseid all the time or in the DCAU? Like his big showdown with Darkseid at the end of JLU and Batman's high point was that he could just barely dodge the Omega Sanction, something impossible. Not that he could easily beat him with an Iron Man suit. And Final Crisis had Batman "die" while just managing to wound him. Waterhaul fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Dec 18, 2014 |
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Well he does do it in a kind of Ironman kind of way.
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Plus, in this case at least, it's kind of justified, because Batman's suit ain't just your everyday WayneTech knockoff Iron Man suit. Batman and Robin 33 (I have no idea what Flash and Aquaman are supposed to be contributing, but a suit forged in the heart of the sun, the Green Lantern Central Power Battery, and supervised by Hephaestus (in the background of the Wonder Woman panel) has got to be pretty powerful)
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Waterhaul posted:But he doesn't chump Darkseid all the time or in the DCAU? Like his big showdown with Darkseid at the end of JLU and Batman's high point was that he could just barely dodge the Omega Sanction, something impossible. Not that he could easily beat him with an Iron Man suit. And Final Crisis had Batman "die" while just managing to wound him. Chump was probably the wrong word. In spite of being the only powerless mortal in a league of superpowered humans, aliens, and even gods, he will go toe to toe with one of the strongest beings in existence (JLU), which is a feat in itself, wound him (Final Crisis, Batman and Robin), and at times even triumph through outwitting him (Batman/Superman: The Supergirl from Krypton, Justice League: War).
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TwoPair posted:(I have no idea what Flash and Aquaman are supposed to be contributing, but a suit forged in the heart of the sun, the Green Lantern Central Power Battery, and supervised by Hephaestus (in the background of the Wonder Woman panel) has got to be pretty powerful) Aquaman is probably doing some Atlantean magic or something. The Flash looks to be putting the armor into the speedforce which is of course a place where whatever bullshit you need to have happen happens.
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Darkseid is. The Narrator.
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TwoPair posted:Plus, in this case at least, it's kind of justified, because Batman's suit ain't just your everyday WayneTech knockoff Iron Man suit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqJw01setW0
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I feel its more like this. http://youtu.be/4XsTt3UYYOA What is best in life? 
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Jiro posted:I feel its more like this. Superman looks like he's giving it the full Tony Stark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBbnT-cIDVM
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First Bass posted:Chump was probably the wrong word. In spite of being the only powerless mortal in a league of superpowered humans, aliens, and even gods, he will go toe to toe with one of the strongest beings in existence (JLU), which is a feat in itself, wound him (Final Crisis, Batman and Robin), and at times even triumph through outwitting him (Batman/Superman: The Supergirl from Krypton, Justice League: War). I am going to assume that Flash is responsible for carrying the armor back and forth between all these places in a reasonable length of time, and that Aquaman is responsible for quenching the amor after the whole sun-forging thing because they felt pretty awkward about him not having a role in this big symbolic act. (I actually like Aquaman, but I'm not really sure where 'armorer' falls in his skillset)
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Something to do with deep ocean pressure blah blah. The upshot is he planned the gently caress out of this. Has Final Crisis happened in new 52? Because this is a pretty creative use of the death that is life but I'm not sure if Batman is supposed to know how it works.
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He's obviously using that hydrothermal vent to steam clean it and give it that proper new-armour smell.
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Nevvy Z posted:Something to do with deep ocean pressure blah blah. Yes, Batman's past is effectively the same post nu52.
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Final Crisis couldn't have happened, but it also has to have and I don't know if that makes perfect sense or I have a brain tumour.
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Jiro posted:I feel its more like this. It'd be better if it was more like this  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HiT8U-tqd4
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