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Schneider Heim posted:I am reading Simonson's Thor very slowly (like an issue a week) and it's all good, just that I don't have much stamina to power through the run as I could with modern comics. That issue was so great, and spun out of a surprisingly fun World's Finest mini that focused on how all of the Bat and Super families worked together. Like one issue would have Damien, Kara and Stephanie, another had Nightwing and Nightwing, I think.
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Gaz-L posted:That issue was so great, and spun out of a surprisingly fun World's Finest mini that focused on how all of the Bat and Super families worked together. Like one issue would have Damien, Kara and Stephanie, another had Nightwing and Nightwing, I think. redbackground fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Dec 16, 2014 |
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There was also a really fun Supergirl/Robin team-up that I'm fuzzy on if it was in that miniseries, or in the actual Supergirl ongoing. (I think it was around the time that Kelly Sue Deconnick was writing Supergirl?) Damien being a pompous sexist little poo poo while no-one took him seriously which was hilarious.
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I always took it as Damien having a massive crush on Stephanie, and being ten, so not knowing any way to deal with that other than dialing up the brattiness to 11. And then he tried the same poo poo on Kara (awww, Damien's got a type!) and she picked him up by the scruff of the neck and yelled at him about being respectful to women, because I'm-a-sorta-terrifying-assassin-kid cuts absolutely no ice with an invulnerable Kryptonian.
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CapnAndy posted:I always took it as Damien having a massive crush on Stephanie, and being ten, so not knowing any way to deal with that other than dialing up the brattiness to 11. And then he tried the same poo poo on Kara (awww, Damien's got a type!) and she picked him up by the scruff of the neck and yelled at him about being respectful to women, because I'm-a-sorta-terrifying-assassin-kid cuts absolutely no ice with an invulnerable Kryptonian. I guess Damien's type is the daughters of supervillains. Just like his dad. Multiversity backs this up.
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ImpAtom posted:I guess Damien's type is the daughters of supervillains. Just like his dad. Multiversity backs this up.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:That's not quite accurate. The Galactus story is an "epic" of the time in that it spanned three issues, though the actual length of the story is more like two issues. In issue #48, they wrap up the Inhumans plot and then start the Galactus plot partway through the issue, which continues through to #50, in which it wraps up about halfway through the issue and then moves on to a Johnny-in-College plot. It says a lot regarding the faith Kirby & Lee had regarding the plot that they thought people would stick around for three whole issues to read it all! The Inhumans initial story was three and a half issues spanning issues 45 through the first half of 48. Guess they were just feeling epic for that half a year. Then they follow those up with two great single issues.
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About the heavy use of text, I heard that early writers had the dialog pretty much tell the whole story because that was how they communicated with the artist and made sure the reader knew what was happening. So, if Batman was getting stabbed, there would be a narration box or dialog pretty much saying "Batman, the main character of this story, got stabbed!" Along the same line, Black characters has their race in their name so the colorist would know what to do.
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Dec 16, 2014 23:03
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Jack Kirby was notorious for forgetting exactly how to draw characters he created, to the point that they had to have little guides on the wall of the Captain America office showing him where the star and big A go because he kept switching it around. So I totally believe that.
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Dec 16, 2014 23:31
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Given Kirby was drawing six books a month at times, it feels hard to blame him too much for getting mixed up.
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There was also how Stan Lee forgot what Bruce Banner's name was at one point.
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prefect posted:The initial appearance of Galactus is only half-a-book long. Nowadays something like that would take three full months minimum. It took Bendis & Bagley 7 issues to do what Lee & Ditko did in 10 pages.
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muscles like this? posted:There was also how Stan Lee forgot what Bruce Banner's name was at one point. And, of course, who can ever forget: 
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Do the Guardians of the galaxy comics have as much focus on humor and music as the movie did?
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Humor, yes (at least the ones coming out of Annihilation, Bendis' slightly less so), but definitely not music. It's kind of the characters being placed in a dire situation and cracking jokes is the only way to deal with it. I wouldn't exactly call them comedic.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:To be fair, as aforementioned in this thread, a number of early Marvel books would feature two characters, so a lot of early Marvel stories were crazy short. This, of course, wasn't that atypical of the time, a lot of the old monster / sci-fi tales that preceded (and influenced) Marvel superheroes in books like Tales to Astonish also stuffed two stories into a single comic. This wasn't restricted to Marvel, of course; DC comics usually had multiple 8-page stories at the time. Initially when they did tell only one story in the comic it was touted on the cover as a "book-length epic". Die Laughing posted:The Inhumans initial story was three and a half issues spanning issues 45 through the first half of 48. Guess they were just feeling epic for that half a year. Then they follow those up with two great single issues. And that Inhumans story grew out of an extended Frightful Four story that played out over the course of about a year. Which itself was broken up by a two issue crossover with Daredevil. Really FF #30 to #60 was absolutely revolutionary and all comic nerds should be familiar with those issues. Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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Rhyno posted:It took Bendis & Bagley 7 issues to do what Lee & Ditko did in 10 pages. They condensed the hell out of Clone Saga though. Hurray?
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Rhyno posted:It took Bendis & Bagley 7 issues to do what Lee & Ditko did in 10 pages. Yeah, I'm a huge fan of Ultimate Spider-Man, but that and however many god damned issues it took for the Ultimate Fantastic Four to get super powers are the 2 largest (pre civil war) black marks against Bendis.
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Skwirl posted:Yeah, I'm a huge fan of Ultimate Spider-Man, but that and however many god damned issues it took for the Ultimate Fantastic Four to get super powers are the 2 largest (pre civil war) black marks against Bendis. I honestly love that first year of USM, I was just making a bad point. Really Bendis sets up a ton of poo poo so it's forgivable.
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Skwirl posted:Yeah, I'm a huge fan of Ultimate Spider-Man, but that and however many god damned issues it took for the Ultimate Fantastic Four to get super powers are the 2 largest (pre civil war) black marks against Bendis. The team had their powers at the start of the second issue, though, once Reed exposed them all to the Negative Zone? They just didn't really do anything interesting with them until later. In fact, the first 20 issues or so, with a revised third act that brought everything back to Doom instead of skewing off towards Annihilus and The Mad Thinker, would actually make for a pretty decent movie. But USM was (and still is) one of the slowest books on the market.
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USM was allowed to be slow because it was shipping so frequently. At one point it hit 18 issues in a year.
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How is that a better option than putting out 12 issues a year with a more tightly-paced story and stronger, more deliberate art? When you can get through the first five arcs in just under two hours, your book doesn't have enough meat to it. But, just the same, I bought it, and they sold a bajillion copies on top of that, so I guess the joke's on me.
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Rhyno posted:USM was allowed to be slow because it was shipping so frequently. At one point it hit 18 issues in a year. Was that all under Bagley? Jesus he was a machine.
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Scaramouche posted:Was that all under Bagley? Jesus he was a machine. For 102 issues. He drew everything except the annuals during his tenure.
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Scaramouche posted:Was that all under Bagley? Jesus he was a machine. Yeah.
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Inkspot posted:How is that a better option than putting out 12 issues a year with a more tightly-paced story and stronger, more deliberate art? When you can get through the first five arcs in just under two hours, your book doesn't have enough meat to it. But, just the same, I bought it, and they sold a bajillion copies on top of that, so I guess the joke's on me. Simple answer was money. Shipping 18 books a year makes more money than 12. Marvel are still doing it with the likes of Avengers now, the only issue is they don't have more Bagley's with such a low fi style who can just constantly churn out books.
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I admit I don't know anything about how the artist/company relationship works, but my understanding is that it's contractual and most artists do several jobs for more than one company at a time. Does someone like Marvel actually employ artists in-house exclusively on a full-time basis? Now I know some artists work faster than others, but could you theoretically pump out one good-looking issue a week if you had nothing else on the table?
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I get the feeling that it's generally much, much harder as an artist (e: penciler/main artist that is) than a writer. Often writers will have two to four comics releasing a month, while artists will very rarely ever do more than an issue, plus whatever side gig doing covers, commissions, commercial work, etc. Plenty of comics will have artists on rotating arcs so they can catch up. There probably are examples of writers needing fill-in relief, but I can't think of any. Art on the other hand... Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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Hakkesshu posted:I admit I don't know anything about how the artist/company relationship works, but my understanding is that it's contractual and most artists do several jobs for more than one company at a time. Does someone like Marvel actually employ artists in-house exclusively on a full-time basis? Now I know some artists work faster than others, but could you theoretically pump out one good-looking issue a week if you had nothing else on the table? Kind of on a full time basis. Like Marvel will give exclusive artists the same way they do writers which depending on the contract can either be for a number of books or a number of months/years. They usually make a big deal about an exclusive artist once a year, Mahmud Asrar I think was the last one and he's been relegated to bouncing between X-Men books. Bagley's deal was just that, he was an exclusive artist and could churn books out quickly for years so Marvel kept him until he got bored/wanted something new and didn't renew his contract at which point DC snapped him up for a while to do Trinity but he quickly burnt out there. Theoretically if you had multiple Bagley's you could keep them on contract and have them churn out 12-18 issues a month, since speed wise those are a rare exception Marvel usually put an artist on exclusivity and then just hire as needed fill-in artists with a similar style to try and give a book a consistent tone and schedule. I think most monthly comic book artists average at about a page a day (which then needs to be colored, lettered and depending on the artist inked) so the alternative would just to give people more of a lead in on books or actually take breaks but that's not really how the majority of big two comics go.
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What is/was the explanation for the Inhuman royal family to go around wearing masks? I know Black Bolt wears his costume because it's supposed to help control his power but what about everyone else?
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Hakkesshu posted:I admit I don't know anything about how the artist/company relationship works, but my understanding is that it's contractual and most artists do several jobs for more than one company at a time. Does someone like Marvel actually employ artists in-house exclusively on a full-time basis? Now I know some artists work faster than others, but could you theoretically pump out one good-looking issue a week if you had nothing else on the table?
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Endless Mike posted:You'd have to be a god of penciling. Few modern pencilers can maintain a one book a month workload, never mind adding MORE to that. John Romita Jr. is supposed to be super-fast, isn't he? I think he was doing more than one book a month for a while.
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muscles like this? posted:What is/was the explanation for the Inhuman royal family to go around wearing masks? I know Black Bolt wears his costume because it's supposed to help control his power but what about everyone else? Isn't it just what Kirby considered alien regal design. Kind of like Galactus helmet.
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muscles like this? posted:What is/was the explanation for the Inhuman royal family to go around wearing masks? I know Black Bolt wears his costume because it's supposed to help control his power but what about everyone else? Better question: what's your excuse for not running around dressed as a superhero?
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muscles like this? posted:What is/was the explanation for the Inhuman royal family to go around wearing masks? I know Black Bolt wears his costume because it's supposed to help control his power but what about everyone else? They're terribly comfortable, everyone will be wearing them in the future.
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They protect the wearer from kirby krackle radiation, which is stronger at places like the moon
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Waterhaul posted:Simple answer was money. Shipping 18 books a year makes more money than 12. Marvel are still doing it with the likes of Avengers now, the only issue is they don't have more Bagley's with such a low fi style who can just constantly churn out books.
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prefect posted:John Romita Jr. is supposed to be super-fast, isn't he? I think he was doing more than one book a month for a while.
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irlZaphod posted:I'm not sure if it's still the case, but a few years ago I remember reading that Marvel operated a policy on a lot of books whereby they could either put out 16-18 issues a year (which means double-shipping every few months), or else do 12 issues a year plus an Annual. You only have to look at Spurrier's X-Men: Legacy, it put out 24 issues between November 2012 and February 2014 (plus the #300 issue the following month). Aaron's Wolverine and the X-Men had 42 issues in 27 months.
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I'd like to know the ages of everyone who complains about Bendis's pacing, especially in USM. It always feels like older readers hate it and younger readers love it. The first comic I bought with my own money was USM #8 when I was 11 and I've loved his work ever since. I think USM is brilliantly paced and influenced comics in such a big way for a reason.
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