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MightyJoe36 posted:Nightmare fuel indeed. I had an anxiety attack when I had to have an MRI. After reading the last few posts I need a drink. A few months back I had to get an MRI of my neck, and they had me lie down on a plastic brace, which was then screwed into place around my neck to hold me perfectly still. I'm not claustrophobic in an MRI and it only took like 15 minutes, so it didn't bother me. Now, people who have cancer and need radiation therapy of their head/neck get REALLY strapped down. I'm not sure how well I'd deal with that. 
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HonorableTB posted:I was living in Valdosta while this was happening, and most people still think there is more to this story than what the authorities claim. All of the CCTV footage was intact...except for the one camera that was covering where Johnson was, and it was missing footage and seemed to jump around. There was a known relationship between Johnson and another student, who had animosity towards each other, and the student didn't have an alibi for that time period. Even better: that student was related to the Lowndes County sheriff. When they pulled Johnson out of the mat, his face looked beaten to the point where he was almost unrecognizable; far more damage than you would expect, even from a corpse that had been upside down for that period of time. The coroner wasn't called until almost 12 hours after the body was discovered (Georgia state law says the coroner must be called immediately, and the coroner later gave a statement saying that his investigation was impeded and that he was repeatedly told to hurry up by the police. The autopsy showed he had blunt force trauma to his head, but the official cause of death was labeled as asphyxiation. Oh, and someone forgot to put his organs back in the body after the autopsy was done and instead, upon the second autopsy, his body was found to be stuffed with newspaper Thanks for this update. I've been wondering what was happening in the case. I hope they find out what *really* happened, because I agree, poo poo was sketch as hell.
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quote:Now, people who have cancer and need radiation therapy of their head/neck get REALLY strapped down. I'm not sure how well I'd deal with that.
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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:A few months back I had to get an MRI of my neck, and they had me lie down on a plastic brace, which was then screwed into place around my neck to hold me perfectly still. I'm not claustrophobic in an MRI and it only took like 15 minutes, so it didn't bother me. I had an MRI and discovered it does give you claustrophobia. Second time around they give you a sedative. I felt in no way different than before, but the claustrophobia never occurred. I only needed the min dose, and they said it works on 95% of the population. Would suck for the last 5% though.
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Maggie Fletcher posted:Thanks for this update. I've been wondering what was happening in the case. I hope they find out what *really* happened, because I agree, poo poo was sketch as hell. My completely uneducated guess is that it's probably simpler, that someone rolled him up in the mat as a prank, possibly conscious or unconscious depending on the maliciousness of the offender, and left him there, not expecting the asphyxiation part of it. And obviously not coming forward afterwards because hey murder charges.
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MightyJoe36 posted:In this group, yeah. I'm old enough to remember stuff like rotary phones, black & white TV, and stores being closed on Sunday. I'm also young enough to appreciate being able to call my son in another country and not have to wait until Sunday night to do it so it only cost $2. a minute, being able to watch any TV program or movie I want, when I want, and to have every record, tape, and CD I ever owned fit on something smaller than a pack of cigarettes.
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Abugadu posted:My completely uneducated guess is that it's probably simpler, that someone rolled him up in the mat as a prank, possibly conscious or unconscious depending on the maliciousness of the offender, and left him there, not expecting the asphyxiation part of it. And obviously not coming forward afterwards because hey murder charges. He fell in facefirst trying to get some shoes stored inside and became unconscious. It has always been the same narrative, but he "looked beat up" so there were a bunch of weird conspiracy theories.
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theflyingorc posted:He fell in facefirst trying to get some shoes stored inside and became unconscious. It has always been the same narrative, but he "looked beat up" so there were a bunch of weird conspiracy theories. honestly falling into a rolled up gym mat that for some reason had his shoes in it and getting "lodged" is such a bizarre and unlikely series of events that I would've been questioning the hell out of it regardless of the rest of the story
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Aesop Poprock posted:honestly falling into a rolled up gym mat that for some reason had his shoes in it and getting "lodged" is such a bizarre and unlikely series of events that I would've been questioning the hell out of it regardless of the rest of the story A bunch of kids who regularly spent time in the gym with him said he always threw his shoes up onto the gym mats and would climb on top of them to collect them when he was done. I do appreciate that the circumstances are very weird but there are also suggestions that the family's lawyers (I think...) lied about some of the stuff that went on and it was ruled that stuffing the body with newspaper, while insensitive, was perfectly legal and acceptable. It's one of those situations where there seems to be a balance between which scenario is more realistic: a bunch of weird circumstances surrounding a mundane death or a bunch of explainable circumstances covering up a mysterious death.
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Another possible source for weird and strange stories is the podcast "Generation Why". The presentation is frankly not great - too many pauses and slow rambling thoughts - but it does feature some interesting cases. For example, the disappearance of Brian Carrick. See: * http://abcnews.go.com/US/happened-brian-carrick-inside-unsolved-case-illinois-teen/story?id=25842096#all * http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...b-brian-carrick Potted summary: * Illinois, 2002: 17-year old Brian Carrick crosses the road from his house and into the grocery store where he works as a stockboy. That is the last time he is seen. * "Watery blood" is found pooled in the stores produce locker but inexplicably is is largely mopped up before anyone thinks of it. * No progress is made on the case for 8 years. Then, Shane Lamb, who had been another stockboy at the same time as Carrick, is on the hook for drug charges. He cuts a deal with authorities and says that he was recruited by Mario Casciaro, another stockboy and son of the store owner, to beat Carrick up over a drug debt. * Lamb says he knocked Carrick out and then left the unconscious body with Casciaro. * Mario Casciaro is eventually convicted of Carricks murder and sentenced for 26 years. * Earlier this year, Lamb recants his entire statement during a TV interview, saying the state attorney "set it up". * Meanwhile, blood from another employee was found inside the produce locker. Robert Render explained it away by saying he had a really bad hangnail that was bleeding. But witnesses state that Render disappeared for about two hours that night, reappeared with blood on his trousers and and was seen by the locker with a mop. * Render cannot be interviewed however, as he subsequently died of a drug overdose.
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Not a Wikipedia article, but... It Happened to Me: My Co-Worker Killed Her Baby At Work quote:It was a slow day in the office, and a few of us gathered around Jane’s cube. Jeff tinkered a bit and the drawer rolled open, revealing a bundle of gray blankets. The stench was horrible, driving the more sensitive of us into the bathroom, conveniently right by Jane’s cube. But suddenly, all of the comedy went out of Jeff’s face. He stole up the bundle and ran to the door of the lunch patio and yelled that no one should follow him. It's real: http://articles.latimes.com/1996-08-08/local/me-32443_1_arrest-warrant
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Sharpe posted:I was born in 1966. I remember eight-tracks, Jerrold remotes and WKRP in Cincinatti. I was born in 1982 and remember WKRP In Cincinnati. That and Quincy MD were my favorite shows when I was four. I was a weird kid.
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FourLeaf posted:Not a Wikipedia article, but... Jesus I wish I hadn't read that. gently caress people. 
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FourLeaf posted:Not a Wikipedia article, but... Thank you, I couldn't remember where I had read that story before. The baby in the filing cabinet is briefly mentioned in this good recent article about the psychology of neonaticide. quote:Neglect played a part in another story I encountered. Christine Bernard (not her real name) was 27 and already a mother when she was charged with the murder of her newborn in France. She agreed to speak to me only by email. She told me that she had experienced what is often termed unconscious denial for the full duration of her pregnancy. “I had no symptoms,” she writes. “To give an idea of my ‘form,’ I biked with my son on the luggage rack a few hours before giving birth.” This whole phenomenon is totally nighmarish and bizarre. I have to admit that I have a weird preoccupation with how so many of these women can give birth unassisted and undetected. I wonder if whatever is going on psychologically with the denial helps them keep things quiet.
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FourLeaf posted:Not a Wikipedia article, but... In the XO Jane article, the author talks about how she and the co-worker shared a first name, and that other employees would call her and leave accusatory voice mails. I'll just quote it: Anonymous posted:I, on the other hand, was slowly climbing out of a gothy phase, wearing nothing but weird black clothing to work every day. Despite the fact I hid them with long sleeves and turtlenecks, everyone knew that I was covered in tattoos and my arms bore thick scars from my years as a cutter. Around our little satellite office, my colleagues knew that I was quiet, smart, shy and considerate, but around the bigger workplace, people only thought they knew who I was. And a lot of them thought that I was the Jane who might have been the baby killer. What I'd like to know is if there is a name for the other co-worker's reactions? What drives someone unaffected by the incident to feel the need to lash out at the (perceived) perpetrator? I know there are analogues for lots of high-profile cases, but why do outsiders feel the need to chastise before a verdict is rendered and in situations where what's done is done and no amount of berating will reverse the deed. I'm sure it can be boiled down to "human nature," but I bet people who study human nature have a term for this behavior.
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Tibor posted:A bunch of kids who regularly spent time in the gym with him said he always threw his shoes up onto the gym mats and would climb on top of them to collect them when he was done. I do appreciate that the circumstances are very weird but there are also suggestions that the family's lawyers (I think...) lied about some of the stuff that went on and it was ruled that stuffing the body with newspaper, while insensitive, was perfectly legal and acceptable. It's one of those situations where there seems to be a balance between which scenario is more realistic: a bunch of weird circumstances surrounding a mundane death or a bunch of explainable circumstances covering up a mysterious death. Strangely, there is an update just today on the case.. And the more detailed local version. The family is currently clinging to a "travel log" of a wrestling team bus, which lists a 4 o'clock departure time for the state wrestling tournament weigh-ins. They believed that this proved that one of the kids claimed to have issues with Johnson was still on campus at the time of his death. As it turns out, he wasn't as the bus left at or before 12:30 because the weigh-ins were at 4 and all the information in the article in regards to travel times lines up. Like Honorable TB who posted on the previous page, I know the area, too, and I'm much more willing to pin pure incompetence on the local investigation rather than malice. It's a terrible situation for the family and they should be pissed at how the investigation was initially handled.
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LawfulWaffle posted:What I'd like to know is if there is a name for the other co-worker's reactions? What drives someone unaffected by the incident to feel the need to lash out at the (perceived) perpetrator? I know there are analogues for lots of high-profile cases, but why do outsiders feel the need to chastise before a verdict is rendered and in situations where what's done is done and no amount of berating will reverse the deed. I'm sure it can be boiled down to "human nature," but I bet people who study human nature have a term for this behavior.
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theflyingorc posted:I'd be interested in this, too. Similarly, there's two British celebrities named "Ian Watkins". One of them molested children and was a super evil person, the other one is just some guy in a band. The one who isn't a child molester constantly gets E-mails and messages calling him a pedophile because people think there's some benefit to saying "I HATE YOU" to a celebrity, but don't think it's worth checking to make sure they've got the right person. 
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theflyingorc posted:I'd be interested in this, too. Similarly, there's two British celebrities named "Ian Watkins". One of them molested children and was a super evil person, the other one is just some guy in a band. The one who isn't a child molester constantly gets E-mails and messages calling him a pedophile because people think there's some benefit to saying "I HATE YOU" to a celebrity, but don't think it's worth checking to make sure they've got the right person. I was going to come in here and "correct" you, because technically Ian Watkins the child molester was ALSO "just some guy in a band" but apparently there are two musicians named Ian Watkins. Carry on.
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YeahTubaMike posted:I was going to come in here and "correct" you, because technically Ian Watkins the child molester was ALSO "just some guy in a band" but apparently there are two musicians named Ian Watkins. Carry on.  Cue someone coming in and telling me that actually he has an O-Level in clarinet or something.On topic, is the term for lashing out at perpetrators not just "mob justice"?
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theflyingorc posted:I'd be interested in this, too. Similarly, there's two British celebrities named "Ian Watkins". One of them molested children and was a super evil person, the other one is just some guy in a band. The one who isn't a child molester constantly gets E-mails and messages calling him a pedophile because people think there's some benefit to saying "I HATE YOU" to a celebrity, but don't think it's worth checking to make sure they've got the right person. This also happened with a Baltimore sportswriter named Gerry Sandusky who gets people yelling at him on Twitter for molesting kids because they confuse him with Penn State's Jerry Sandusky.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:Strangely, there is an update just today on the case.. And the more detailed local version. Anyone know how the the blood splatter on the wall and nearby shoe(s) has been explained? Or, how his shoes were found nearer to his feet, if he did, in fact, accidentally fall headfirst into the mat while looking for his shoes?
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BurroughsBane posted:Anyone know how the the blood splatter on the wall and nearby shoe(s) has been explained? Or, how his shoes were found nearer to his feet, if he did, in fact, accidentally fall headfirst into the mat while looking for his shoes? lol source both your claims here, I was following it back in the day and this is literally the first time I heard anything about blood splatter.
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theflyingorc posted:lol source both your claims here, I was following it back in the day and this is literally the first time I heard anything about blood splatter. I can't speak to their credibility, but these are the links that I was looking at: http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/10/10/kendrick-johnson-georgia-gym-mat-death-evidence http://globalgrind.com/2013/11/07/mysterious-details-about-kendrick-johnsons-death-list-photos-video/ http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1310/30/acd.01.html (Anderson Cooper 360 transcript where he mentions the blood splatter) Crime scene photos show a large amount of blood next to Kendrick’s sneaker as well as blood splatter on the toe of one sneaker and on a wall of the gym. BurroughsBane has a new favorite as of 21:42 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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C'mon. There's just so much ridiculous stuff. "His shoulders were too wide to fit into the mat". Which makes it all the more impressive that they managed to roll him up in the mat after they killed him. Every single point of contention is hearsay on top of hearsay. "There's no footage of him climbing into the mat" so the only possible explanation is that he was murdered and then rolled into the mat, which was then placed at the scene without THAT being caught on video? There's "blood splatter" on the wall - uh, are we trying to suggest they beat him to death immediately next to the mat? Yes, there's stuff that looks weird, but it's not pointing to anything!
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theflyingorc posted:C'mon. The cool thing about his shoulders being too wide to fit in the mat is that, being a mat, it can be unrolled and then re-rolled around his body, making him now able to fit. And the CCTV thing has already been explained. The footage was tampered with in that camera, whereas none of the other cameras were messed with at all.
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theflyingorc posted:C'mon. Surely you realise there is a difference between crawling into a mat using the force of your arms, and being placed in the middle of a mat and being rolled up. Maybe it's worth considering if your brilliant takedown of those uppity parents can be refuted with even the slightest bit of thought. Quite frankly I have no idea what happened, and I'll let the feds get a handle on it because they don't seem to have a stake in protecting their ol' boys. If they say it was an accident, then I'd be satisfied.
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theflyingorc posted:I'd be interested in this, too. Similarly, there's two British celebrities named "Ian Watkins". One of them molested children and was a super evil person, the other one is just some guy in a band. The one who isn't a child molester constantly gets E-mails and messages calling him a pedophile because people think there's some benefit to saying "I HATE YOU" to a celebrity, but don't think it's worth checking to make sure they've got the right person. http://abcnews.go.com/US/isis-rock-band-mistaken-reviled-terrorist-group/story?id=25088363 Pilchenstein posted:On topic, is the term for lashing out at perpetrators not just "mob justice"? I'm not sure if this is right. "Mob justice" is more political and involves a gaggle of people swarming authority to change policy, like the Storming of the Bastille during the French Revolution. A modern example would be the Egyptian coup d'etat of last year. I guess the Occupy movement and the recent solidarity marches in the US would be applicable too if they resulted in a change of policy/government.
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HonorableTB posted:The cool thing about his shoulders being too wide to fit in the mat is that, being a mat, it can be unrolled and then re-rolled around his body, making him now able to fit. edit: In case you're confused, a rolled up wrestling mat is approximately an even tube across the entire length of the thing. If you put a basketball in the middle, you're going to have a difficult time making either end significantly narrower than a basketball. theflyingorc has a new favorite as of 23:15 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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theflyingorc posted:He fell in facefirst trying to get some shoes stored inside and became unconscious. It has always been the same narrative, but he "looked beat up" so there were a bunch of weird conspiracy theories. If he accidentally fell in while trying to get his shoes, why were his shoes found around his calf area? If it was tight enough to suffocate him, then it was too tight for him to maneuver his shoes from below his head to his feet. I seriously want to know how this could be explained.
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theflyingorc posted:In case you're confused, a rolled up wrestling mat is approximately an even tube across the entire length of the thing. If you put a basketball in the middle, you're going to have a difficult time making either end significantly narrower than a basketball. You don't know how flexible things work. It is quite easy to think of a way to wrap something more tightly at the ends than the middle of something is in there. As a slightly off example, a piece of bubble gum in a wrapper.
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nucleicmaxid posted:You don't know how flexible things work. It is quite easy to think of a way to wrap something more tightly at the ends than the middle of something is in there. As a slightly off example, a piece of bubble gum in a wrapper. BurroughsBane posted:If he accidentally fell in while trying to get his shoes, why were his shoes found around his calf area? If it was tight enough to suffocate him, then it was too tight for him to maneuver his shoes from below his head to his feet. Pretty sure those were the pair he was wearing when he fell in and he kicked them off while struggling. Not sure why he had multiple pairs of shoes, but are we pretending that gym class involves sliding around in socks?
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theflyingorc posted:Pretty sure those were the pair he was wearing when he fell in and he kicked them off while struggling. Not sure why he had multiple pairs of shoes, but are we pretending that gym class involves sliding around in socks? Then why weren't the shoes that he was supposedly looking for found at the bottom of the mat or in the surrounding area? theflyingorc posted:C'mon. Why is it weird that a struggle could have occurred right next to the mat?? If he didn't fall, he didn't willingly go into a mat, upside-down.... Are you playing some weird, devil's advocate here with the "stuff looks weird, but c'mon" thing? Why are you so casually dismissing blood splatter and blood drips right next to a dead body?? I get that forensics can be like statistics (lies, damned lies, and statistics), but there are some seriously weird forensics going on in this case. Or at least, far too many weird details to just dismiss and walk away. His parents would be callous as gently caress to see all this evidence and just rule it an accident.
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theflyingorc posted:And you apparently don't know what a wrestling mat is. A flexible foam pad that could easily be rolled with a bulge in the middle.
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Not saying this happened, but there is also the possibility that it could have been rolled up more conical than cylindrical, which would permit one part to be narrower than the other side.
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For some reason there is a picture of the guys body inside the mat on the wikipedia page. Just looking at it, it's hard to imagine how you would either accidentally fall headfirst into a wrestling mat and end up like that, or wriggle yourself into the mat in the same way.
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nucleicmaxid posted:A flexible foam pad that could easily be rolled with a bulge in the middle. If you've ever seen a giant high school wrestling mat you'd know that no, they're massive heavy things, and you couldn't possible end up with one end significantly narrower than the other side and then stand it upright. BurroughsBane posted:Then why weren't the shoes that he was supposedly looking for found at the bottom of the mat or in the surrounding area? quote:Why is it weird that a struggle could have occurred right next to the mat?? If he didn't fall, he didn't willingly go into a mat, upside-down.... Are you playing some weird, devil's advocate here with the "stuff looks weird, but c'mon" thing? Why are you so casually dismissing blood splatter and blood drips right next to a dead body?? I get that forensics can be like statistics (lies, damned lies, and statistics), but there are some seriously weird forensics going on in this case. Or at least, far too many weird details to just dismiss and walk away. His parents would be callous as gently caress to see all this evidence and just rule it an accident.
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theflyingorc posted:If you've ever seen a giant high school wrestling mat you'd know that no, they're massive heavy things, and you couldn't possible end up with one end significantly narrower than the other side and then stand it upright. I have and you're wrong. I'm not sure what this is contributing to the discussion though, since we're both just sort of saying nu-uh, uh-huh back and forth. But I've never had the privilege to argue with someone who so patently ignores reality in an attempt to one up every other poster in the thread and be right constantly. It's like we have our very own home grown Andy Schlafly. So please, go on. 
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nucleicmaxid posted:I have and you're wrong. I'm not sure what this is contributing to the discussion though, since we're both just sort of saying nu-uh, uh-huh back and forth. But I've never had the privilege to argue with someone who so patently ignores reality in an attempt to one up every other poster in the thread and be right constantly. It's like we have our very own home grown Andy Schlafly. So please, go on. Try it with objects at your desk, pieces of paper and whatever else you've got. Your two "exits" are going to be approximately the same size as your middle unless you do some really, really weird twisting in an attempt to do it on purpose. It's possible for your innermost "ring" to be narrower, yes, but pressure from the inside can expand it to match. I'm seriously confused how you think that the opening of a non-stretchy, semi-rigid material can be significantly smaller than an object stored inside when rolled from one end.
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