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Zohar posted:Well, Nick Land laid out the definitive systematisation of "the dark enlightenment" in his eponymous essay and to a large extent it's a logical upshot of some aspects of his earlier thinking. He's probably singlehandedly the most influential force in defining them as a single "thing". I actually don't think he's contributed anything meaningful to philosophy, but at least he was an intellectual. Now apparently he thinks he's the joker? Alright Nick, have fun watching the world burn
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the black husserl posted:I actually don't think he's contributed anything meaningful to philosophy, but at least he was an intellectual. Now apparently he thinks he's the joker? Alright Nick, have fun watching the world burn While hanging out as a degenerate whitey expatriate in China. You've hit the Jackpot oh you guru.
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One of the most  things about this for me is Justine Tinney throwing her support behind this movement. What does she think they'd do to transsexuals like her if they ever managed to gain any actual power, and why does she think it would be any different than what fascists always do?
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Polybius91 posted:One of the most Because she is not very smart.
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Polybius91 posted:One of the most Because she thinks she and her buddies are going to be the ones gaining power.
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Dangit Ronpaul posted:Because she thinks she and her buddies are going to be the ones gaining power. She reminds me of a worse version of that rabbi who lived through the holocaust and then spent his life campaigning against efforts to get the names of gay holocaust victims included in memorials because he though gay people were immoral degenerates. Trans Hitler vows that only black people and maybe Mexicans will be enslaved this time around. Actually, does she have an opinion on gay people? It wouldn't surprise me if she just started acting as if she were always a woman and disavowed trans people after a certain point.
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Somewhere Foucault is laughing and/or crying at Justine Tunney.
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Justine Tunney is what some people were afraid the LGBT movement was going to turn into after we got marriage. Luckily, conservatives are dumb enough to keep fighting that particular battle, so their is little chance of any one part of the rainbow throwing the rest under the bus.
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I was wondering the other day, just how much of the Dark Enlightenment is tied to Silicon Valley psychopath software engineer and venture capitalist types? Like I saw something about PayPal CEO Peter Thiel talking about how "freedom and democracy are incompatible" and poo poo like that. Speaking of which a high school acquaintance who made himself CEO of a new headphone brand was  -ing about Thiel getting told to gently caress off by Cal students the other day. With poo poo like that, well, good riddance.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I was wondering the other day, just how much of the Dark Enlightenment is tied to Silicon Valley psychopath software engineer and venture capitalist types? Most of those are buttcoin libertarians. They're a bit too in love with constant innovation to really get into conservatism.
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Some of the leading lights of this clownshow are from the Bay Area and are associated with Less Wrong and its collection of spergin' engineer types, so I expect there is a lot of cross-over. Anyway, what Thiel means by that freedom and democracy quote is that rich and powerful people aren't free to do whatever they want when they have to listen to the will of the useless eaters as expressed through democracy. The Dark Enlightenment solution to this problem involves creating a magical autocratic kingdom wherein blacks and poors are illegal.
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This has probably been said before but it amazes me how these types, much like randroids, always think they'll be the glorious captains of industry lording it over the untermenschen instead of burning in the city when Galt goes Galt. If they read Lord of the Rings, they'd fashion themselves as Gandalf instead of some nameless mook who gets offed in a skirmish.
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The continued endurance of the Objectivist / Less Wrong / Dark Enlightenment types just proves that not enough people have played Bioshock.
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Soylent Pudding posted:The continued endurance of the Objectivist / Less Wrong / Dark Enlightenment types just proves that not enough people have played Bioshock. Or they played it and really, really did not get it.
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Luisfe posted:Or they played it and really, really did not get it. I'm not joking: in undergrad, I knew somebody in my program who really got into objectivism after playing Bioshock. He did come to class on shrooms occasionally, but did surprisingly well in courses.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:This has probably been said before but it amazes me how these types, much like randroids, always think they'll be the glorious captains of industry lording it over the untermenschen instead of burning in the city when Galt goes Galt. The funniest part of this is Gandalf has a bunch of speeches about how people like this are horrible. When the Numenoreans start acting like these jokers Sauron shows up and cons them into destroying themselves. Tolkien has a letter where he rags on the "pernicious and unscientific race doctrine" and also talks about how people who want to run government are the last people who should be allowed to. The Gondorians fight an idiotic war about race-mixing (the purists lose). They picked a bad piece of fiction to be their hobbyhorse.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:This has probably been said before but it amazes me how these types, much like randroids, always think they'll be the glorious captains of industry lording it over the untermenschen instead of burning in the city when Galt goes Galt. It's mostly the usual nerd/engineer misconception where they think they've figured out how society really works and how it can be optimized. Since they know best how a spherical society on a frictionless plane works, they'll obviously be able to rise to the top fairly easy once the current system that is holding them back falls away.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:This has probably been said before but it amazes me how these types, much like randroids, always think they'll be the glorious captains of industry lording it over the untermenschen instead of burning in the city when Galt goes Galt. Which shows you what a half-thought out idea this really is. Yes, regulations are "bad" for pure capitalism. But there is already plenty of people thriving and getting rich under those regulations. If you aren't already at the top, how the hell are you going to get there with the wealthy kicking down even harder?
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Mieville sums it up rather nicely, I think: China Mieville posted:Libertarianism is not a ruling-class theory. It may be indulged, certainly, for the useful ideas it can throw up, and its prophets have at times influenced dominant ideologies–witness the cack-handed depredations of the “Chicago Boys” in Chile after Allende’s bloody overthrow. But untempered by the realpolitik of Reaganism and Thatcherism, the anti-statism of “pure” libertarianism is worse than useless to the ruling class. Or actually, perhaps the neoreactionaries are better described as this sort of libertarian: Kim Stanley Robinson posted:Even if you want no state, or a minimal state, then you have to argue point by point. Especially since the minimalists want to keep the economic and police system that keeps them privileged. That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.
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How did we miss this great article?quote:All these people need to relax: watch a football game, drink some beer, read P.G Wodehouse, whatever.
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Polybius91 posted:One of the most Is it wrong that I find it surprising there's not a vocal libertarian segment of trans people (at least, not that I know)? This isn't a sensitive way to put it, but if I was looking to take my life into my own hands in a really hardcore way, changing gender might come to mind.
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The Time Dissolver posted:Is it wrong that I find it surprising there's not a vocal libertarian segment of trans people (at least, not that I know)? This isn't a sensitive way to put it, but if I was looking to take my life into my own hands in a really hardcore way, changing gender might come to mind. being trans isn't just deciding one day that you feel like changing your gender for shits and giggles so yeah no
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The Time Dissolver posted:Is it wrong that I find it surprising there's not a vocal libertarian segment of trans people (at least, not that I know)? This isn't a sensitive way to put it, but if I was looking to take my life into my own hands in a really hardcore way, changing gender might come to mind. That's because Trans people by and large, having often been persecuted and attacked for who they are by the majority, understand the degree to which the individualist notion of society espoused by libertarians is a loving joke that would get them killed. The only reason gender and sexual minorities even have the status they do is because they successfully leveraged the state to ram it down the throats of bigots, and that's still very early in development for trans people. Have you read Hoppe? He basically sanctions micronations purging gay people for the public good. It's like asking why libertarianism is overwhelmingly male and white. Only the majority is ever isolated from reality enough to produce a large contingent of deluded to believe this poo poo. I mean I guess LGBT people could try to band together to purge all the straight people, but that leaves anybody born outside the enclave sort of stuck. E: there are of course, always exceptions to the rule, like Justine Tunney Political Whores has a new favorite as of 14:28 on Dec 18, 2014 |
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The Vosgian Beast posted:https://nydwracu.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/guest-post-pthag-on-the-history-of-sa-politics/ I'm five paragraphs in and this has yet to make a point.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:https://nydwracu.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/guest-post-pthag-on-the-history-of-sa-politics/ quote:In the fashionable neo-theosophical language of the Orthosphere, I am a Thal [purestrain TT, amud-type] and everyone in this story has melopepocephalic ancestry or tendencies. I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not and if it isn't what it even means. It doesn't seem to get much better.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:https://nydwracu.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/guest-post-pthag-on-the-history-of-sa-politics/ It's like a hack philosophy professor having a stroke in text form.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:https://nydwracu.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/guest-post-pthag-on-the-history-of-sa-politics/ I couldn't make it past the first few paragraphs. Not because of the content, but because the author's writing style is so obtuse and prosaic. It's like Gene "Time Cube" Ray started reading some classics.
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Dr Pepper posted:I'm five paragraphs in and this has yet to make a point. I skipped to the end to see if it get better. It does. quote:I wish I could close this post by putting these events into some properly Cenozoic context, but I can’t. I’ve moved too far away from Leftism to give a gently caress, and when the dam broke, what value that was made visible by virtue of being stored in a major Mesozoic reservoir ran away into the Internet-in-general. Perhaps those streams can be traced to see if they just ran away into rocky wasteland and thence to some sunless subterranean sea, or if they got trapped in aquifers where they are enriching — or poisoning — things quietly. If this essay illuminates anything latent in Cenozoic institutions like /pol/, or tumblr, or I don’t know what, that a reader was not aware of before, then I suppose this will not have been written in vain. "Hmm, closing this out with 'I used to be leftist but then I became a little poo poo, anyway I hope tumblr and /pol/ notice me' seems weak, but what if I keep saying "Cenozoic" and quadruple the wordcount..."
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InediblePenguin posted:being trans isn't just deciding one day that you feel like changing your gender for shits and giggles so yeah no Right now this is true, and it's pretty lovely and insensitive to say "well how come more people don't just choose to be trans just as a gently caress you dad sorta thing huhh!?" However, I could totally see (maybe 20-40 years from now when it's way more socially acceptable and easier to do) people changing genders just 'cuz, for the same reasons they get piercings or breast implants or any of the other things people do to their bodies because they can. Personally I think that would be neato to have the option to be a girl that doesn't involve major social stigma and years of therapy and hormones and still very primitive surgery but I can also see it becoming tied to dumb controlling subcultures like The Time Dissolver mentioned. This is all hypothetical though and in the current culture these are stupid, harmful ideas that de-legitimize transpeople so whatever.
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DrProsek posted:I skipped to the end to see if it get better. It does. Calling /pol/ an "institution" is really hilarious to me for some reason
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Calling /pol/ an "institution" is really hilarious to me for some reason It's like Plato's cave, except the cave is the Internet and the shadows on the wall are 4chan, tumblr, and Reddit.
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DrProsek posted:"Hmm, closing this out with 'I used to be leftist but then I became a little poo poo, anyway I hope tumblr and /pol/ notice me' seems weak, but what if I keep saying "Cenozoic" and quadruple the wordcount..." Why is he referring to geological eras anyway? I presume he redefines the terms somewhere or is he just using them as allusions to current as opposed to from a previous and now outdated era? Even if so though that is drat lovely writing.
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Devil Wears Wings posted:I couldn't make it past the first few paragraphs. Not because of the content, but because the author's writing style is so obtuse and prosaic. It's like Gene "Time Cube" Ray started reading some classics.
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Devil Wears Wings posted:It's like Plato's cave, except the cave is the Internet and the shadows on the wall are 4chan, tumblr, and Reddit. Plato's Mom's Basement
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Munin posted:Why is he referring to geological eras anyway? I searched the essay for Cenozoic and Mesozoic to see what he redefined them to, but I couldn't find anything. I honestly have no idea what he wants that to mean. At first I thought he meant "antiquated, old as the Cenozoic era" but then it would mean the same thing as Mesozoic and he doesn't seem to be saying /pol/ is outdated so  .
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He thinks the internet pre '97 is the oldest era, the early aughts as the mesozoic, and our current era as the cenozoic. Keep in mind these are people who also believe in the Singularity, so it makes sense that they'd be referring to the current era as something impossibly far in the past. I wonder if they've been introduced to Roko's Basilisk nonsense? I enjoy people writing about SA from an anthropological perspective, no matter how bad.
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