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Lid posted:The privatisation of QANTAS was a stupid idea then and its even worse now.
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Is Joe Hockey still drooling over the possibility of selling of Qantas completely?
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Dec 19, 2014 03:19
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Probs after Medibanks privitisation
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Dec 19, 2014 03:22
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I really don't see why the government needs to own an airline. It was one of the best income earners, as an airline compared to the rest of the world it was the #1 airline which fostered tourism to Australia, it for its times allowed for significant innovation in aviation through its engineering divisions, and everything since then has been managing to lose more money by constantly downsizing to be a shell of its former self in the name of competition. It was a terrible idea. And as Anidav says do you think, if the government need not own an airline, full privatisation would be your ideal?
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Dec 19, 2014 03:25
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Anidav posted:Paul Keating and Kevin Rudd go hand in hand as the Labor Party's biggest Prime Ministerial fuckwits. Both of them put Me before We and both of them relied on personality politics and lost due to a negative ratfucker on the opposition benches defaming the government of the day. No amount of gotchas or jokes will save people like them and there will never be a Fightback! moment to give them a second chance like Keating got.
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Dec 19, 2014 03:26
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I really don't see why the government needs to own an airline. Why do they need to own a bank?
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Dec 19, 2014 03:26
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Anidav posted:Paul Keating and Kevin Rudd go hand in hand as the Labor Party's biggest Prime Ministerial fuckwits. Both of them put Me before We and both of them relied on personality politics and lost due to a negative ratfucker on the opposition benches defaming the government of the day. No amount of gotchas or jokes will save people like them and there will never be a Fightback! moment to give them a second chance like Keating got. I don't give a rats arse for Rudd but Keating did give the Redfern address, and by the time he was done, he'd actually done something constructive compared to 11 years of Howard. It's truly saying something though when you compare the last 40 years and realize the only creative PM we've had was Gough and that was born out of the frustration of watching decades of Menzies. We have to face facts, we're just a very pedestrian and complacent culture.
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Dec 19, 2014 03:27
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Yeah, the only creativity we got was politically assassinated by the CIA. Bodes well for us.
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Dec 19, 2014 03:30
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Dilkington posted:I want to reexamine some impressions I have of Australian political culture- I wonder if any of you would mind considering these two questions: Most people here are too young to remember Keating or even most of Howard. So don't be surprised if it's most people here have 'nostalgic' opinions about it (for a lack of a better term).
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Dec 19, 2014 03:30
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Historically the best Prime Minister we had was the one who decided we were a lost cause and walked into the ocean to join the underwater scholars of Atlantis.
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Dec 19, 2014 03:32
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Lid posted:And as Anidav says do you think, if the government need not own an airline, full privatisation would be your ideal? Lid posted:It was one of the best income earners, as an airline compared to the rest of the world it was the #1 airline which fostered tourism to Australia, it for its times allowed for significant innovation in aviation through its engineering divisions, and everything since then has been managing to lose more money by constantly downsizing to be a shell of its former self in the name of competition. It was a terrible idea.
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Dec 19, 2014 03:40
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More PMs should follow in his example.
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Dec 19, 2014 03:41
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Dec 19, 2014 03:42
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I was under the impression it was fully privatised? Queensland has you beat, mate. 
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Dec 19, 2014 03:42
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Anidav posted:Historically the best Prime Minister we had was the one who decided we were a lost cause and walked into the ocean to join the underwater scholars of Atlantis. "All the way with LBJ"
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Dec 19, 2014 03:43
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I really don't see why the government needs to own an airline. NEVER SELL ASSETS THAT ARE MAKING MONEY. Also, selling the CBA was really daft, we wouldn't keep having (good) treasurers at war with the big banks if they were owned by the government. I assume it made a shitload of money too.
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Dec 19, 2014 03:49
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Anidav posted:The government holds 51% of shares or something I think, it's like half-half.
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Dec 19, 2014 03:51
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Splode posted:NEVER SELL ASSETS THAT ARE MAKING MONEY. I agree, but would Qantas still be making money for the government now though?
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Dec 19, 2014 03:54
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This is probably worse than shooting up a chocolate shop. I wonder what the reaction will be.
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Dec 19, 2014 03:55
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Adnar posted:This is probably worse than shooting up a chocolate shop. The reaction will be pretty bad - 8 kids confirmed dead... God dam  .
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Dec 19, 2014 03:57
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Adnar posted:This is probably worse than shooting up a chocolate shop. Came here because of this. Terrible. 7 kids, and a woman who's relation to the children isn't known. Might be some kind of domestic abuse thing. edit: 8 kids unfortunately.
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Dec 19, 2014 03:58
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loving hell.
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Dec 19, 2014 03:59
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e: ^^^^ holy poo poo As an airline acts as a conduit for tourism and trade to the country it has much wider ramifications than making money for stakeholders. I'd argue privatising any major service provider, especially in a country that has trouble supporting more than one such service, is a bad thing. You're effectively cementing in a private monopoly, or if you can somehow legislate that away you're cementing in poor service. Also private industry has shown they're terrible at managing high risk industries. 
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Dec 19, 2014 04:01
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Yeah but how brown is the guy and has he requested an IS flag yet? The answer to these questions will determine whether or not our nation will change forever/lose our innocence.
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Dec 19, 2014 04:01
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Someone toss an ISIS flag up there and we can really turn this into a thing
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Dec 19, 2014 04:02
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As valid a point as you guys may be making, can we please not go down this road when eight children have just been murdered?
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Dec 19, 2014 04:06
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Kim Jong ill posted:As valid a point as you guys may be making, can we please not go down this road when eight children have just been murdered? I don't really see an issue with it, considering all of these deaths will be forgotten in two days because there was no link to the FOTM terrorism threat. Who knows, maybe all of Cairns will be covered in flowers as a memorial for these poor kids and the CM will run a page entitled "the moment Australia changed forever", but I'm not holding my breath. RIP Chillun, some of us won't forget you.
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Dec 19, 2014 04:09
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Kim Jong ill posted:As valid a point as you guys may be making, can we please not go down this road when eight children have just been murdered? Seriously, some of you need to pull your heads in.
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Dec 19, 2014 04:09
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Adnar posted:This is probably worse than shooting up a chocolate shop. As a Queenslander I am honestly sad to say I am expecting it to have been perpetrated an insane white guy and social media to be abuzz with comments about how stupid Queenslanders are, people dropping the opinion of White Male Privilege leading to domestic abuse and murder; and in general none of the togetherness the nation showed during and after the events in Sydney.
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Dec 19, 2014 04:11
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Sanguine posted:As an airline acts as a conduit for tourism and trade to the country it has much wider ramifications than making money for stakeholders. I'd argue privatising any major service provider, especially in a country that has trouble supporting more than one such service, is a bad thing. You're effectively cementing in a private monopoly, or if you can somehow legislate that away you're cementing in poor service. quote:Also private industry has shown they're terrible at managing high risk industries.
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Dec 19, 2014 04:13
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Sounds like the attacker was the 35yo woman in hospital. e; christ, the youngest was 18 months e; relevant: http://www.theonion.com/articles/gently caress-everything-nation-reports,30743/ Murodese fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Dec 19, 2014 |
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Dec 19, 2014 04:13
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Doctor Spaceman posted:That's definitely an issue for the domestic market but I don't think it's as much of an issue for international flights though? QANTAS gets less than 20% of international flights currently That needs to be emphasised. Currently is not then, nor arguably what it would be if not for privatisation.
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Dec 19, 2014 04:21
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Kim Jong ill posted:As valid a point as you guys may be making, can we please not go down this road when eight children have just been murdered? This is a serious question, do you just want people to all post "wow this is really horrible", and then not discuss it? Or do we discuss it in a few days? There really doesn't seem to be much point in every single poster coming in and posting "Wow this is awful". It certainly is, but there really isn't much point in fifty "Jesus how horrible" posts, may as well discuss the issues that led to this incident, or the issues arising from the media coverage.
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Dec 19, 2014 04:21
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Lid posted:That needs to be emphasised. Currently is not then, nor arguably what it would be if not for privatisation. The argument was about the risk of privatisation creating a private monopoly, and for international flights that's not (currently) the case.
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Dec 19, 2014 04:26
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Splode posted:This is a serious question, do you just want people to all post "wow this is really horrible", and then not discuss it? Or do we discuss it in a few days? There really doesn't seem to be much point in every single poster coming in and posting "Wow this is awful". It certainly is, but there really isn't much point in fifty "Jesus how horrible" posts, may as well discuss the issues that led to this incident, or the issues arising from the media coverage. At least it's not the US where you get the weekly gun massacre and then all the creepy gun people come out saying, "Hey now pardner, people are dead here y'all. This just isn't the time for having the gun control debate." If you put off important things every time something horrible happens, you'll never get anything done.
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Dec 19, 2014 04:29
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Splode posted:This is a serious question, do you just want people to all post "wow this is really horrible", and then not discuss it? Or do we discuss it in a few days? There really doesn't seem to be much point in every single poster coming in and posting "Wow this is awful". It certainly is, but there really isn't much point in fifty "Jesus how horrible" posts, may as well discuss the issues that led to this incident, or the issues arising from the media coverage. Discussing the issues at hand can be done entirely without making quips about the attackers ethnicity or whether or not an IS flag was present.
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Dec 19, 2014 04:36
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Kim Jong ill posted:Discussing the issues at hand can be done entirely without making quips about the attackers ethnicity or whether or not an IS flag was present. poo poo, really? Someone needs to let the Daily Telegraph know!
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Dec 19, 2014 04:37
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The contents of the argument would be the same. All you'd be changing is the tone.
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Dec 19, 2014 04:37
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Kim Jong ill posted:Discussing the issues at hand can be done entirely without making quips about the attackers ethnicity or whether or not an IS flag was present. Is this comment directed at the entirety of the Australian mainstream media efb
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Dec 19, 2014 04:38
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The media's reaction to and handling of tragic events such as these is a pretty important issue to discuss.
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