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TheMcD posted:Oh, I'm sure you can buy it, but you know, I'm constantly loving broke because I must have all the toys, and I'm pretty sure there's still a few very nice weapons to be bought plus constant ammo restocking needs. Just ... just read up on what you can find next mission. I winced when you bought that steyr aug, given that you can get it from mooks during the next mission for free!
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double nine posted:Just ... just read up on what you can find next mission. I winced when you bought that steyr aug, given that you can get it from mooks during the next mission for free! But if I wait until the weapons drop regularly, then I can't maximize my usage of them! I clearly have to get everything ASAP. That, and I really wanted the Steyr for those two assholes. The Uzi and the like just don't have the punch I need to compete with the damage they deal.
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The KoE can enter and exit the Umbra and the Underworld, and have a power that lets them zip about on leylines.
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TheMcD posted:
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Might be my preference for stealth/melee/unfair fights speaking here, but my preferred way to handle this fight is to back up into the entranceway once you’re done talking and make them come to you.  They can’t teleport behind you, so they'll have to noisily run in on foot, usually one at a time, and give you ample chance to hit them with whatever nasty chargeable attack you have up your sleeve without worrying about getting ambushed. If you like guns, it’s a turkey shoot. When they teleport? They teleport away, leaving you with either a breather or a single opponent to focus on.Of course, if you like a challenge or a “fair fight” or whatever? Don’t do it this way. If you like utterly pantsing them because you're a Nos and you missed out on the party? Have fun.  e: TheMcD posted:Oh, I'm sure you can buy it, but you know, I'm constantly loving broke because I must have all the toys, and I'm pretty sure there's still a few very nice weapons to be bought plus constant ammo restocking needs.  GrimRevenant fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Dec 18, 2014 |
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This is the ONE location where all the girls aren't bisexual. Any attempt to woo the ladies (as a lady) will be shut down and have negative consequences, purple text be damned. Of course this was done for obvious reasons (being that the Giovanni REALLY look down on that kind of stuff).
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mauman posted:This is the ONE location where all the girls aren't bisexual. Any attempt to woo the ladies (as a lady) will be shut down and have negative consequences, purple text be damned. I wish there was more of that, honestly. Or at least make the # of male-to-male seduction opportunities the same # as the female-to-female opportunities. As it is, running around in female bisexual land is ... weird.
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double nine posted:I wish there was more of that, honestly. Or at least make the # of male-to-male seduction opportunities the same # as the female-to-female opportunities. As it is, running around in female bisexual land is ... weird. Eh....I'm not particularly a fan of "everybody is bi" in general. It cheapens characters in my opinion. This applies to the whole "all females are bi - except ones that belong to the creepy Italian family" thing too.
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How the hell do you work out that party and catacombs entrance as a Nossie?double nine posted:In order to get that item you need to go to her after the Society of Leopold mission but before reporting to Lacroix. After you brief Lacroix it's too late. You are also a monster if you take the item ... Then obviously we must get it. Mostly because I never knew about this armor.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Worst case scenario, it's accessible through the console. According to Google, if you punch in 'give item_a_' you can use arrows to scroll through the options.
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DeusExMachinima posted:How the hell do you work out that party and catacombs entrance as a Nossie? Plenty of Obfuscate and Stealth. There's an entrance at the back of the house that you can sneak in through, and the house itself is riddled with secret passages - some of which end up in rooms with vendor trash. What you mostly miss out on is the sidequest there where you go A Fist Full of Dollars and play the trio of would-be ghouls against one another. The other method of getting down in to the catacombs involves flipping a switch on the dissection table, which works as an elevator. Or you can go full on BAMF and take out the entire mansion.
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I love the Giovanni mansion because it's designed to cater to all three playstyles. You didn't show them, but there's a network of secret passages between the walls, with hidden doors to get into them. If your Perception is high enough the doors glow like item pick-ups do. There are peep-holes in the passages that look out into the main areas - through paintings, naturally. There are one or two Easter eggs you can only see through the peepholes, like the twin sisters purging in the bathroom. Also, if you have one of the powers that lets you see auras through walls, you can see Bruno and the other family heads gathered in the dining room while the doors are closed. A mix of vampire and human auras. If you noclip into the dining room without raising the alarm, they all use the same Uncle Bruno model, and all the extras just disappear when Bruno busts through the door.
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Can you rat out all three ghouls in a single playthrough?
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Rockopolis posted:Can you rat out all three ghouls in a single playthrough? No, because the moment you rat one out, they get pissed at you and you can't talk to them anymore, and you can't rat the one you told the first secret out to the third one either, you're blocked from doing that. The only options (at least in the plus patch) are "do nothing", "reveal one secret to one of the three" and "reveal both secrets to one of the three". IMJack posted:I love the Giovanni mansion because it's designed to cater to all three playstyles. You didn't show them, but there's a network of secret passages between the walls, with hidden doors to get into them. If your Perception is high enough the doors glow like item pick-ups do. There are peep-holes in the passages that look out into the main areas - through paintings, naturally. There are one or two Easter eggs you can only see through the peepholes, like the twin sisters purging in the bathroom. You know, I never knew there were secret passages and poo poo. I always take the social way in, and while I did explore the back area, I never found anything interesting.
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TheMcD posted:No, because the moment you rat one out, they get pissed at you and you can't talk to them anymore, and you can't rat the one you told the first secret out to the third one either, you're blocked from doing that. The only options (at least in the plus patch) are "do nothing", "reveal one secret to one of the three" and "reveal both secrets to one of the three". the hidden wall doors are indistinguishable from real walls and I don't think they even have an icon to show you they can be used. Here is a screenshot: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101003225706/v__/vtmb/images/8/89/Giovanni_passage.jpg
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Yep, they're accessible from the front door area Right before you walk into the big room with everyone standing around. The old doom tactic of "walk along the wall and get an activation sign" still works here if your inspection is too low. Neat things to find are the aforementioned purge scene, and you can see someone in the library activate the sword so you know how to do it yourself. There's even a handy library exit from the wall passageways. Just a nice touch for nosferatu or sneaky-focused people.
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 Well I've been playing this game for years and never knew about that. There's always something new.ninja: wait, what "purge scene"?
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DeusExMachinima posted:
two girls vomiting blood in a sink. IIRC you can't get in the room because the door is locked by an infinite lock.
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One thing I never got about this quest is how the hell are you supposed to steal a giant stone sarcophagus out from under the Giovanni's noses during a big party without anybody noticing? wait, scratch that. how are you supposed to move the drat thing period? At least in the museum there was a loading bay and dolleys, I have no idea how the pc is expected to get a several ton stone sarcophagus up all those flights of stairs in the catacombs all by themselves with no mechanical aids.
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Saurian Supreme posted:One thing I never got about this quest is how the hell are you supposed to steal a giant stone sarcophagus out from under the Giovanni's noses during a big party without anybody noticing? wait, scratch that. how are you supposed to move the drat thing period? At least in the museum there was a loading bay and dolleys, I have no idea how the pc is expected to get a several ton stone sarcophagus up all those flights of stairs in the catacombs all by themselves with no mechanical aids. If you have high potence you could just carry it out, I guess. Otherwise it doesn't really make a lot of sense.
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I just assumed the Giovanni had another way to get the sarcophagus down there in the first place, and you use the same way to get it out. I don't see them carting the thing through the house, the lab, and the twisty trapped passages into that crypt. It's not like you would have known the sarcophagus was in the crypt so you wouldn't think to look for other ways in. Hell, you probably stole their truck. Also assume the Chang brothers got in the same way and dealt with any physical security in their way.
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Saurian Supreme posted:wait, scratch that. how are you supposed to move the drat thing period? In tabletop VtM, vampires can spend a blood point to increase a physical attribute by one point for a 'scene', which would be long enough to manhandle a sarcophagus into a trolley or even out the doors and into a truck. A vampire of the 8th generation or higher can raise their attributes to a maximum of six dots - one dot above the theoretical human maximum - which when applied to strength would be enough to lift about a ton, which to my mind seems a plausible weight for a sarcophagus. The game simplifies this into the 'blood buff' ability, which raises all physical attributes to 5 instead.
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I'm just imagining the pc carrying the sarcophagus on one shoulder through the mansion, whistling innocently as they move past the guards. Nothing to see here folks.
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Tehan posted:In tabletop VtM, vampires can spend a blood point to increase a physical attribute by one point for a 'scene', which would be long enough to manhandle a sarcophagus into a trolley or even out the doors and into a truck. A vampire of the 8th generation or higher can raise their attributes to a maximum of six dots - one dot above the theoretical human maximum - which when applied to strength would be enough to lift about a ton, which to my mind seems a plausible weight for a sarcophagus. Technically, you can raise your Strength all the way to 10 no matter what your generation. It's just that when you stop spending blood it goes down a point per round until it hits your maximum ability rating + 1. Why you'd do that is beyond me, unless you really, REALLY felt like having your character pick up a loaded semi and throw it at someone.
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citybeatnik posted:Technically, you can raise your Strength all the way to 10 no matter what your generation. It's just that when you stop spending blood it goes down a point per round until it hits your maximum ability rating + 1. Strength 5 + Potence 5 + Torquing out the Blood Buff = Whackin' fools with a Ford F350.
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citybeatnik posted:Technically, you can raise your Strength all the way to 10 no matter what your generation. It's just that when you stop spending blood it goes down a point per round until it hits your maximum ability rating + 1. To put all the cards on the table, you can pump it up one blood point per round and it starts ticking back down to 6 if it's above it at one point per round, three rounds after you stop pumping it. Our protagonist has a base strength of 2 and a blood pool of 15, and a round is three seconds. For further reference, here's the full strength table from the VtM revised rulebook, showing what is possible at each strength level without making a roll: code:Oh, and in the tabletop Potence is always on at no blood cost and is a flat addition to effective strength for the purposes of the above table. It gets pretty ridiculous. Caveat lector, though - this is oWoD and there is always a bigger fish. From seventh generation on down the maximum trait level starts rising at one point per generation. A sixth-generation vampire could have strength 7 and potence 7, at which point they're rolling out of bed in the evening with the ability to effortlessly bench-press Fat Larry's Truck of Mack.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Well, LaCroix certainly doesn't have a treaty with the Kuei-Jin now that he had his minion breach it!  mauman posted:Eh....I'm not particularly a fan of "everybody is bi" in general. It cheapens characters in my opinion. This applies to the whole "all females are bi - except ones that belong to the creepy Italian family" thing too. IMJack posted:I just assumed the Giovanni had another way to get the sarcophagus down there in the first place, and you use the same way to get it out. I don't see them carting the thing through the house, the lab, and the twisty trapped passages into that crypt. It's not like you would have known the sarcophagus was in the crypt so you wouldn't think to look for other ways in. Hell, you probably stole their truck.
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Tiggum posted:Except that the only witnesses are dead. I'm sure the Kuei-Jin's leader is intelligent enough to realize that when a very large and heavy delivery is made to LaCroix Tower and the minions she sent to retrieve the sarcophagus disappear, then LaCroix has probably betrayed the treaty.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I'm sure the Kuei-Jin's leader is intelligent enough to realize that when a very large and heavy delivery is made to LaCroix Tower and the minions she sent to retrieve the sarcophagus disappear, then LaCroix has probably betrayed the treaty. Possibly? It's a secret treaty and she wasn't being very nice to it either, so it's one of those "well, I mean neither of us really intended to keep this anyway, but it's still a useful pretense at the moment so we'll just be coy and ignore this for now".
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I'm sure the Kuei-Jin's leader is intelligent enough to realize that when a very large and heavy delivery is made to LaCroix Tower and the minions she sent to retrieve the sarcophagus disappear, then LaCroix has probably betrayed the treaty. You can't just install snack machines in the middle of the business day, you see. For minimal business impact these things are best done at 3AM. In unmarked trucks. By armed employees.
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OAquinas posted:You can't just install snack machines in the middle of the business day, you see. For minimal business impact these things are best done at 3AM. In unmarked trucks. By armed employees. To be fair, you do have to fight off Officer Chunk. Those guards are earning their money.
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OAquinas posted:You can't just install snack machines in the middle of the business day, you see. For minimal business impact these things are best done at 3AM. In unmarked trucks. By armed employees. Well no, you can't because the snack machine they'd install is the one to (allegedly) bring apocalypse 
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Caught in the (snack) machine. ...I'll see myself out.
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queserasera posted:Caught in the (snack) machine. The Officer Chunk story.
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double nine posted:I'm just imagining the pc carrying the sarcophagus on one shoulder through the mansion, whistling innocently as they move past the guards. Nothing to see here folks. This is clearly what a Malkavian PC does and nothing will convince me otherwise.
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Omobono posted:This is clearly what a Malkavian PC does and nothing will convince me otherwise. Malkavians always do everything in the most awesome way, intentionally or no, so yes, I agree with this completely.
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queserasera posted:Caught in the (snack) machine. Shugojin posted:The Officer Chunk story. If you were to saw off a Kindred's arm, would you need to reattach it? Or could it grow back without using something like Vicissitude?
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IMJack posted:If you were to saw off a Kindred's arm, would you need to reattach it? Or could it grow back without using something like Vicissitude? Depends. If you're a low enough generation and can spend the blood fast enough to heal, your blood/vitae-drenched arm would reattach itself to you with a schlurping sound as the blood tendrils pull it back in to place. If you're not high enough Gen to pull that off, you can either hold it in place and heal or (I think) wait for a new one to sprout out.
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Tehan posted:To put all the cards on the table, you can pump it up one blood point per round and it starts ticking back down to 6 if it's above it at one point per round I thought that one blood per round was dependent on the generation, with two blood at 9th, three blood at 8th, and five at 7th (to list only break points for generations available at character creation [dark ages for 7th])?
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MarquiseMindfang posted:Malkavians always do everything in the most awesome way, intentionally or no, so yes, I agree with this completely. They'd attach wheels, a bedsheet, and a desk fan to it, and "sail" out of the mansion screaming about the land-boat sarcophalypse.
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IMJack posted:If you were to saw off a Kindred's arm, would you need to reattach it? Or could it grow back without using something like Vicissitude? If you can hold it in place, you can spend blood to reattach it. If it's destroyed somehow, it counts as aggravated damage and heals the same way.
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