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Adeline Weishaupt
Oct 16, 2013

by Lowtax
Well to answer your second question we would need to know what kind of music you are gonna be playing and how heavy-handed your drummer is.

Though, with that said, the AC4C1 is a good choice for a bedroom/recording amp; but if you're expecting for it to be gig-worthy then you're SOL, though it might fit in some rehearsal situations. Though with that said, I prefer tube amps mostly because with Solid State amps you tend to get little toys like amp and effect modelling. These toys also tend to be more distractions for me than music-making tools, meanwhile with the one-trick-pony that tube amps tend to be you get to learn the ins-and-outs with each of your tools. But if you need a loud amp, a solid-state amp will always be cheaper; and the rule-of-thumb for SS loudness is that it needs to be about 60w before it'll be loud enough for almost all situations.

Edit: Oh yeah, if you're gonna be playing Rock or heavier music then an Orange Tiny Terror is gonna be good for rehearsals. Though you'd need to find a cab for cheap if you go that route; which is gonna be a lot harder.

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theratking
Jan 18, 2012
Blues rock / electronic group - drums are laid back. Nothing serious. I think something fit for rehearsal is fine to start out with.

jwh
Jun 12, 2002

Fender Excelsiors are fairly loud, well made, and retail for around 300 new. I happen to like them, but a lack of EQ might be a deal breaker for you. Also, check your local craigslist. You might gett lucky.

Adeline Weishaupt
Oct 16, 2013

by Lowtax

theratking posted:

Blues rock / electronic group - drums are laid back. Nothing serious. I think something fit for rehearsal is fine to start out with.

The AC4C1 would be okay, you may be even able to gig with it if you can mic it up. Though if you can find either for cheap used, go for the Fender Blues Junior or Pro Junior; their tone will be more versatile and suitable for what you'd want (mostly the electronic aspects). Plus they'll tend to work better with effect pedals than the Vox, especially dirt pedals (for the Blues Rock).

Smash it Smash hit
Dec 30, 2009

prettay, prettay

muike posted:

tubes don't make amps heavy, I MAKE AMPS HEAVY

same

Smash it Smash hit
Dec 30, 2009

prettay, prettay
dbl post but oh well,

I am getting offered to trade (plus maybe a lil cash) my v4 for a verellen spaldo head (15w) I am seriously considering it but, I had had no experience with their gear besides seeing a meat smoke.

I would obviously be using it mostly for practice/recording but, I dunno, it seems like the circuit is so simple that it might not be worth it? Its just a volume/tone knob and I think some push/pull gain/darkness. I see they retail for 1,500 which is crazy but, having never messed with smaller amps, do you think it is worth it to go for it?

the guy I am doing the possible trade with, lives 2-3 hours away so it would be a decent trip to compare amps and trade. just looking for some insight and suggestions.

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

I've never heard a Verellen that didn't completely loving rule and the guy himself is super decent and seems to put a lot of love into the details of his designs. Personally I'd be all over that but I'm a huge fan of simple, low wattage amps.

Smash it Smash hit
Dec 30, 2009

prettay, prettay

Kilometers Davis posted:

I've never heard a Verellen that didn't completely loving rule and the guy himself is super decent and seems to put a lot of love into the details of his designs. Personally I'd be all over that but I'm a huge fan of simple, low wattage amps.

Yeah I really do like the limited demos I have seen of it. But, I am just waiting for my Mills Custom to come back and until then, I really wont have a gigging/practicing amp. I mean i GUESS I could do 15w and just keep it down and keep the guitar near the drummer. And I suppose that if it is voiced right that the high end roll off tone knob would be enough to get the tone i want.

It seems to have that vox like growl and a more fender chime so would kinda be in my cup of tea completely. Plus I have heard it takes pedals really well.

rio
Mar 20, 2008

I assume this might be buried within the thread, but since I just found it I'll as anyway.

What's a roughly $200 or under amplifier for a beginner guitarist that will grow with them as they get better? I have a new electric guitar student who needs an amp, but I don't like to suggest low wattage, quiet practice amps because then they will just have to buy another amp later as they get better. I used to suggest the Roland Cube 30x, because it was light, sounded great and is loud. I bought one to test it out for students, ended up putting a Eminence Delta Demon in it, and now it is the amp I use the majority of the time for gigs and practice.

But they stopped making them, so are there any good go-to's I should know about? Someone suggested this, but there's no place around for me to test it so I'm hesitant to recommend it. http://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...lmccaAuOl8P8HAQ

Day Man
Jul 30, 2007

Champion of the Sun!

Master of karate and friendship...
for everyone!


I love my vox valvetronix 30 watt modeling amp. I can keep up with our drummer with it.

pointlessone
Aug 6, 2001

The Triad Frog is pleased with this custom title purchase.
I'm very much in love with my orange micro terror, they're almost always on sale used at guitar center. 80 to 90 bucks, you can pick up the tiny speaker cab for about 40 to 50 used. That little guy has no issue driving a 4x12 at significant power for small venues, it just doesn't have a lot of options on the head. Gain, tone and volume, single channel are all that it's got, so for serious performances it's not going to really work, but for getting together in the drummers garage the thing is great.

Nostalgic Pushead
Jul 31, 2013

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IIRC the mustangs are the top affordable and giggable modellers right now - you'd want one of the larger moels (3/4) but they still don't break the bank. Apparently they're really, really good at everything but really high gain stuff.

e: though all the options might have him fiddling with settings more than practising I guess?

XYZAB
Jun 29, 2003

HNNNNNGG!!
I recently ordered a replacement backplate and chassis supports for my Ampeg V3 from fliptops.net and the package arrived today. I just want to say :drat: this is some high quality stuff. For a 45 year old limited production amplifier I was expecting there might be some problem making the new pieces fit but they are loving dead-on and solid as hell. I'm super impressed with them right now and would highly recommend any vintage Ampeg owners to check them out for your odd parts needs.

philkop
Oct 19, 2008

Chomp chomp chomp...We have the legendary Magic Beans
Goon Made Wallets
.
gently caress I think my amp is messed up.

So I got the line 6 pod hd (within a day the tuner broke on it, and it possibly hosed up my amp. Sounds were decent but I prefered my straight amp sounds.)

So I did all kinds of crazy 4 cable method stuff. And now that I unplugged my it and tried playing straight amp (JC 120) I hear this weird wave sound when it first turns on, and then a weird kind of fuzz/whisper whenever I play. I also lost about half of the output of my amp.. This is the effects channel btw, the main channel seems unaffected.

Amy I hosed?

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010

I tried out a bunch of amps this last month and I had pretty much decided on the Night Train (The Tweaker didn't sit quite right for me). I went in on Friday with my friend/bandmate to try it again and get a second opinion and we both thought it was the best for how I play. So I put down money. It's gonna be my Christmas present to myself. Hooray, finally getting a "real" amp! If anyone's interested when it comes in I can record a couple samples.

jwh
Jun 12, 2002

I bought a 5F1 kit. Look forward to future posts about how I've electrocuted myself with ~400 volts of plate voltage.

Weird BIAS
Jul 5, 2007

so... guess that's it, huh? just... don't say i didn't warn you.

jwh posted:

I bought a 5F1 kit. Look forward to future posts about how I've electrocuted myself with ~400 volts of plate voltage.

RIP

Nostalgic Pushead
Jul 31, 2013

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jwh posted:

I bought a 5F1 kit. Look forward to future posts about how I've electrocuted myself with ~400 volts of plate voltage.

I touched mains during my previous project (still unfinished, think the power transformer needed replacing), wouldn't recommend it but it mostly just jerked my arm around a whole lot and left me with a sore shoulder and a feeling of confusion. I probably got lucky tho.

Weird BIAS
Jul 5, 2007

so... guess that's it, huh? just... don't say i didn't warn you.
I scared the poo poo out of myself while modding my valveking. I had even grounded the caps and still got a nasty shock.

pointlessone
Aug 6, 2001

The Triad Frog is pleased with this custom title purchase.

jwh posted:

I bought a 5F1 kit. Look forward to future posts about how I've electrocuted myself with ~400 volts of plate voltage.

Always work one handed, never with two. Two hands run the voltage across your chest, one hand only goes down your leg to ground. Likewise never rest your non working hand on a ground. It's still a LOT of voltage and it'll still hurt like a bitch if you manage to zap yourself, but at least you'll live to post about it.

Smash it Smash hit
Dec 30, 2009

prettay, prettay

pointlessone posted:

Always work one handed, never with two. Two hands run the voltage across your chest, one hand only goes down your leg to ground. Likewise never rest your non working hand on a ground. It's still a LOT of voltage and it'll still hurt like a bitch if you manage to zap yourself, but at least you'll live to post about it.

Yeah, I usually keep my spare hand in my pocket just as a "Okay my hand is in my pocket, I am good to go" reminder. Also, keep a bunch of chopsticks around, they are super good to use to move stuff around without the risk of being shocked. Also, you can chip and cut them to twist and move stuff more accurately if needed. I cut them into a flat head whenever I need to move my bias pot, safer than a metal tool.

a loathsome bird
Aug 15, 2004

philkop posted:

gently caress I think my amp is messed up.

So I got the line 6 pod hd (within a day the tuner broke on it, and it possibly hosed up my amp. Sounds were decent but I prefered my straight amp sounds.)

So I did all kinds of crazy 4 cable method stuff. And now that I unplugged my it and tried playing straight amp (JC 120) I hear this weird wave sound when it first turns on, and then a weird kind of fuzz/whisper whenever I play. I also lost about half of the output of my amp.. This is the effects channel btw, the main channel seems unaffected.

Amy I hosed?

JC-120s have 2 solid state 60W amps, one for each speaker. You might have overloaded the preamps in the chorus channel with the levels on the pod?

philkop
Oct 19, 2008

Chomp chomp chomp...We have the legendary Magic Beans
Goon Made Wallets
.

Ortazel posted:

JC-120s have 2 solid state 60W amps, one for each speaker. You might have overloaded the preamps in the chorus channel with the levels on the pod?

I left it unplugged overnight and it got better, but the sound quickly returned after playing for a bit.

If the was the case, do you think I'm ok to keep using the regular, non damaged channel?

E: think this is something I could fix from home? I'm no stranger to a soldering iron, but I'm new to amps.

And thanks for responding, I am having a hard time finding info online.

philkop fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Dec 13, 2014

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

That's really odd. Don't take this as fact since I don't know a lot about amps but it doesn't seem like a solid state amp should gradually get worse like that. It is getting overly hot or anything? If you could manage to record the transition from good to hosed up it might help.

philkop
Oct 19, 2008

Chomp chomp chomp...We have the legendary Magic Beans
Goon Made Wallets
.

Kilometers Davis posted:

That's really odd. Don't take this as fact since I don't know a lot about amps but it doesn't seem like a solid state amp should gradually get worse like that. It is getting overly hot or anything? If you could manage to record the transition from good to hosed up it might help.

Will do.

I thought it was strange too. I got really excited because after leaving it unplugged, it seemed to be back to normal. Then in my next jam session (after leaving it plugged in over night like always) it was all wonky again.

I'll make a video showing the damage.

As a side note: this really sucks because I had just re kindled my love for the amp. When I was demoing the pod HD 500, I couldn't create a single sound that moved me as much as running straight into an ABY pedal through my JC 120 and my little tube Carvin V16.

Smash it Smash hit
Dec 30, 2009

prettay, prettay

Kilometers Davis posted:

That's really odd. Don't take this as fact since I don't know a lot about amps but it doesn't seem like a solid state amp should gradually get worse like that. It is getting overly hot or anything? If you could manage to record the transition from good to hosed up it might help.

thats what stinks about ss amps is that its almost impossible to casually target the issues. If one input is working fine, just use that one? Sounds like something is overheating/receiving too much voltage.

a loathsome bird
Aug 15, 2004

Kilometers Davis posted:

That's really odd. Don't take this as fact since I don't know a lot about amps but it doesn't seem like a solid state amp should gradually get worse like that. It is getting overly hot or anything? If you could manage to record the transition from good to hosed up it might help.

They can be a little wonky- I have one of the older JC-120s without an FX loop, but I had similar symptoms after running mixer outs into the power amp inputs on the back (you can run stereo effects in true stereo this way). I think I probably had the levels too high and it started fading in and out. No amp techs around me would touch it due to the aforementioned difficulty of repairing these, especially since the circuit has gone through 4-5 poorly documented revisions since they started making them 30 odd years ago. I just switched back to using the regular channels which still worked fine. I tried using the stereo power amp inputs a year or so later, and they worked fine :iiam:

Have you tried testing the high/low impedance inputs on the problem channel? You could also look at the circuit to see if there are any obvious burned caps etc., but I would be pretty cautious poking around any further without knowing what you're doing.

philkop
Oct 19, 2008

Chomp chomp chomp...We have the legendary Magic Beans
Goon Made Wallets
.

Ortazel posted:

They can be a little wonky- I have one of the older JC-120s without an FX loop, but I had similar symptoms after running mixer outs into the power amp inputs on the back (you can run stereo effects in true stereo this way). I think I probably had the levels too high and it started fading in and out. No amp techs around me would touch it due to the aforementioned difficulty of repairing these, especially since the circuit has gone through 4-5 poorly documented revisions since they started making them 30 odd years ago. I just switched back to using the regular channels which still worked fine. I tried using the stereo power amp inputs a year or so later, and they worked fine :iiam:

Have you tried testing the high/low impedance inputs on the problem channel? You could also look at the circuit to see if there are any obvious burned caps etc., but I would be pretty cautious poking around any further without knowing what you're doing.

Same here, I just sat down to make a video of the symptoms and it worked fine. But this happened last time too. I'm going to leave it plugged in and record the after effect if it goes sour again.

I've tried low and high inputs and both worked fine now, but both were wonky about a week ago.

I'd be totally fine using just the main channel (as I rarely use the chorus) but I love the Reverb.

Ferrous Wheel
Aug 18, 2007

"This is not only a security risk but we occasionally get pigeons roosting in the space as a result."
Just went to a local shop looking for a replacement speaker today—thinking I'd walk out with some sort of Eminence or Celestion—and instead they offered to re-cone an old Italian Jensen for me for $110. I figured what the gently caress and told them to go ahead. Reviews about their customer service are very mixed, but the consensus seems to be that they do good work.

It never even occurred to me that a local place would do that sort of thing though; I know you can order custom Webers and Scumbacks and such, but I never thought of having a general speaker place put something together.

unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!

Nostalgic Pushead posted:

IIRC the mustangs are the top affordable and giggable modellers right now - you'd want one of the larger moels (3/4) but they still don't break the bank. Apparently they're really, really good at everything but really high gain stuff.

e: though all the options might have him fiddling with settings more than practising I guess?

This x 100. The Mustang III is truly wonderful as long as you are willing to get the whole 'I need tubes' bit.

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010

So I posted that I was getting a Night Train. It is now paid for and 100% mine. It's so pretty and it sounds awesome. I kept seeing/hearing reviews where they were complaining that it was "too bright" but I can get some doomy/sludgey kinda sounds from it just fine. I haven't even run my pedals through it yet, just been using the guitar straight to amp. I have no idea why I haven't seem more people use them. It basically hit every sort of sound I want, except for specialist sounds like a Dual Rec or Soldano or something (Although GAS being GAS, I might end up with a Jet City for that).

What surprised me is that at low, bedroom levels it still sounds aces and doesn't do that annoying thing where the first little turn makes it too loud. Fairly linear though I haven't gunned it yet. Anyway, a picture! Little 10W, 6.5" Pathfinder for scale.

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

How good are the cleans on it? I've been thinking about pairing my OR15 with something clean as a pedal platform and those are priced very competitively.

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010

Absolutely fantastic cleans. I actually played it side by side with an AC30 and I'd say it does the clean chime thing just as well as it, but at like half the price. I am a bit biased though as I've always preferred Vox cleans over Fender cleans, but one of my criteria for a new amp was it had to have great cleans. I often do the 90s alt-rock thing, going clean to dirty and back. The tone cut does well if it's a little too chimey, rolling off the highs just a little bit. I was actually surprised at how clean it stayed when getting the gain up. At about 1/2 o'clock it starts getting a little hint of crunch and if you crank it it's a little crunchy but not overly so (Until you engage the Thick mode). So it's got quite a bit of headroom for that sort of thing.

IronLawnmower
Aug 28, 2014
So for Christmas I'm getting a 6505+ combo amp. I have no idea what I'm doing and frankly I'm a little scared. How loud is it and can someone explain to me like I'm a mentally damaged five year old what all the dials do?

The Electronaut
May 10, 2009

IronLawnmower posted:

So for Christmas I'm getting a 6505+ combo amp. I have no idea what I'm doing and frankly I'm a little scared. How loud is it and can someone explain to me like I'm a mentally damaged five year old what all the dials do?

I have its granddaddy, the 5150 in combo form, it is a very loud amp.

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

IronLawnmower posted:

So for Christmas I'm getting a 6505+ combo amp. I have no idea what I'm doing and frankly I'm a little scared. How loud is it and can someone explain to me like I'm a mentally damaged five year old what all the dials do?

Loud but they sound alright at non-deafening levels after switching out the lovely stock tubes. Like a lot of Chinese made amps they tend to develop problems fairly early on though, so you'll probably have to take into a shop before long. Generally the green channel starts to crap out.

E: this is assuming you're talking about the cheaper 1x12 and not the 2x12 combo

Ferrous Wheel
Aug 18, 2007

"This is not only a security risk but we occasionally get pigeons roosting in the space as a result."
So I've got my new speaker installed in a combo, but the wires to the amp can't reach the little tabs because the frame is a bit different. Is there any particular reason I shouldn't just splice them? Is there anything I need to know if I decide to do that?

Schpyder
Jun 13, 2002

Attackle Grackle

Ferrous Wheel posted:

So I've got my new speaker installed in a combo, but the wires to the amp can't reach the little tabs because the frame is a bit different. Is there any particular reason I shouldn't just splice them? Is there anything I need to know if I decide to do that?

No to both of your questions.

Ferrous Wheel
Aug 18, 2007

"This is not only a security risk but we occasionally get pigeons roosting in the space as a result."
Yay! Kind of.

I installed the new speaker and it seems to be working. I can hear a bit of difference, though not as much as I'd hoped. It might be different at band volume.

And of course in the process I tugged on the connectors trying to get them to reach and now I'm getting a constant hum that's present even with nothing plugged in and doesn't react to the volume or EQ knobs. If I plug a guitar in it does seem to react to the volume knob, but maybe that's just guitar hum.

Point being, I guess tomorrow is the day to actually pull the chassis for the first time and see if I can tell what I did. I think I'm going to want to look at some circuit mods too; the guy who reconed this speaker claimed that it would be unbearably bright until it broke in, and I'm still maxing out the treble knob at low volume.

At least the silver dust cap looks pretty cool showing through the grill cloth. :buddy:

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IronLawnmower
Aug 28, 2014

comes along bort posted:

Loud but they sound alright at non-deafening levels after switching out the lovely stock tubes. Like a lot of Chinese made amps they tend to develop problems fairly early on though, so you'll probably have to take into a shop before long. Generally the green channel starts to crap out.

E: this is assuming you're talking about the cheaper 1x12 and not the 2x12 combo

Oh joy. How will I know when it's crapping out? How do I replace the lovely stock tubes and which ones with what?

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