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Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



College Slice

CzarChasm posted:

"rat queens Stjepan Sejic"

Hah! I've actually seen some of this stuff before, but I thought it was just fan art! It's actually what I was hoping the comic would look like!

I am reassured.

Unless this Sejic turns out to be an abusive douchebag, too.

:ohdear:

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Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

CzarChasm posted:

I'll have to see if I can find the posts again, but I don't think you have anything to worry about from the new artist. It's not the same, but it still looks good. If you do a search for "rat queens Stjepan Sejic" you can find some sketches he's done. Can't link from work, sorry.

He maintains an active Deviant Art account. It contains a lot of full comic pages from Death Vigil. I like his art, but the Death Vigil pages haven't been doing anything for me. Still, more than willing to give him a shot.

http://nebezial.deviantart.com/

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

Uthor posted:

He maintains an active Deviant Art account. It contains a lot of full comic pages from Death Vigil. I like his art, but the Death Vigil pages haven't been doing anything for me. Still, more than willing to give him a shot.

http://nebezial.deviantart.com/
Wait a minute, that's the guy who did this? THIS DUDE OWNS.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Sejic's webcomic is getting a release from Image over Christmas, too, if you can check it out in a store maybe before his first issue of RQ comes out?

I mean, you could also read it on his DeviantArt, but... y'know, you'd need to make a DA account, and who wants to do that?

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Gaz-L posted:

I mean, you could also read it on his DeviantArt, but... y'know, you'd need to make a DA account, and who wants to do that?

Me in 2003, apparently. I just never stopped following some people on there, though I mainly use tumblr for that sort of thing, now.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Dan Didio posted:

My LCS owner is exactly the same, it kind of threw me when he casually mentioned it in conversation, but I wager there's a lot of people who feel, or are inclined that way.

One of the hardest things about working comic retail is not having a public opinion on creators. I have a half dozen dudes that love Greg Land's work and it just ruins my life every time they show up.

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

Opopanax posted:

Love of Supreme depends on when you read it, because it's the same deconstruction Moore's written over and over again. It's cool but if you've read a lot of his 80s and 90s stuff it's not exactly groundbreaking

I'm with Bobkat; I loved it and read it after reading nearly every other Moore super hero story. I also think it's tonally and thematically a bit different than his more well-known super hero deconstructions. It shares more in common with Animal Man, All Star Superman, and Batman RIP in my opinion. His early deconstruction work felt like it was demonstrating how absurd super hero tropes were by thrusting them into reality and then watching it all fall apart, whereas Supreme is much more of a celebration of the absurdity of the Silver Age.

There's an Alan Moore quote somewhere where he said something to the extent of cynical superhero deconstructions were one of the more regretful trends that he was a part of. Or at least, that's how I recall it, but I can't find the quote and could be absolutely mangling it.

Unbelievably Fat Man
Jun 1, 2000

Innocent people. I could never hurt innocent people.


Uthor posted:

...whatever you would call Zenoscope...
I go with "lovely titty books". They're not trying to be literature but they don't go quite far enough to be porn. I would respect them so much more if they just dropped the pretense and started publishing 7 Dwarves Gangbang or Red Riding Wolf-dick or something.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Moore's Supreme is actually pretty lovely. Once it hits the Darius Dax issue it's borderline unreadable.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

fozzy fosbourne posted:

It shares more in common with Animal Man, All Star Superman, and Batman RIP in my opinion.

I'm sure Moore would be flattered to hear that. :v:

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

Kiss the Joycon to Kiss Zelda

muscles like this? posted:

While not bad art I did drop that new Bucky series after the first issue because the art was so incomprehensible.

Gaz-L posted:

I've been too lazy to click the cancel subscription button in Comixology, but... yeah, I'd possibly like the book a LOT more if I could tell what was going on (though the whole 'Winter Soldier IN SPACE' thing isn't really my bag anyway. ). I'm fairly sure the letterer can't even tell. At one point in the first issue, there's a conversation between Bucky and Daisy, and I'm pretty sure the speech bubbles are assigned randomly.

I added the series to my pull when it was announced because I like Bucky a lot, but then about a week before #1 came out I heard it was a "Bucky in Space" series, and was pretty disappointed. I had similar feelings about the first issue as yourselves, but I actually kinda liked the 2nd issue a lot.

Dunbar
Feb 21, 2003

Is there any place online to buy back issues of physical comics? I just read Batman Eternal vol 1 and really liked it, and I'd like to be able to jump into the new "volume" starting at issue #35 because I can get 35-37 from my comic shop, but everyone says I really need to read issues 22-34 first. I don't like digital comics so that really isn't an option, but I also can't find anywhere to buy back issues. Am I out of luck?

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.
There's a bunch of places that do mail order. I've used Midtown Comics a few times and am happy with the service. However, I noticed that they store their passwords as clear text (they email you your password when you do a "reset"), so I make sure not to save my credit card information on their site.

I haven't used anyone else (Mile High Comics, My Comic Shop, etc), so I can't comment on their selection or service.

It might be easier to just grab some trades off of Amazon if you're looking for a run of issues.

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer

Dunbar posted:

Is there any place online to buy back issues of physical comics?
There are a million, but as someone who has bought hundreds of comics online, my top 4 sites that I use, depending on who has the best prices/selection of what I'm looking for, are Comic Collector Live, Midtown, Mycomicshop, and Graham Crackers. Always compare before buying.

redbackground fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Dec 20, 2014

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

Is there a digital version of Injustice on Comixology/Amazon that features fixed coloring?

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



College Slice
I bought the collected editions of Injustice on the DC app and read it on Comixology. I was actively looking forward to that panel, but it looks like the fixed version is the default now. On the collected edition, at least.

Unmature
May 9, 2008
What was the panel and what did they change?

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Unmature posted:

What was the panel and what did they change?

There were a bunch of terrible ones during the first year but I'm assuming they mean the "Batman crying" one.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Batman's teeth were drawn in the same color as his skin I think?

Dacap
Jul 8, 2008

I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower.

You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.



Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



College Slice
BATMAN LOVE CHUNK!!!

SirDan3k
Jan 6, 2001

Trust me, you are taking this a lot more seriously then I am.

Somebody post the linework just to emphasize how bad the colorist screwed it up.

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Here are the fixes for print that the penciler did himself.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/06/changing-the-art-on-injustice-gods-among-us/

There's a good gif somewhere that fades between pencils and bad finishing on a closeup of Catwoman.

e: There are pencils for some of that stuff on the artist's Deviant Art page http://davidyardin.deviantart.com/gallery/

Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Dec 21, 2014

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

CzarChasm posted:

Am I weird in that bad art in comics doesn't bother me or stop me from enjoying comics for the most part?

I mean there's an old early 2000's All CGI Batman comic that my eyes slide right off of, and some of the Injustice Year One stuff was posted here under the funny panels. But beyond that, as long as I can recognize the characters and distinguish them from one another, I don't mind. I have seen the examples from Greg land, where if you were to line up his female characters faces side by side, I couldn't tell them apart, but I consider that an oddity rather than the rule.

The only time I can recall being driven off of a book due to the art was Steven T. Seagle's Alpha Flight, with art by (IIRC) Duncan Rouleau. Rouleau's work has become something I enjoy in the right context, over time, but on that particular series, his storytelling skills were terrible; even in the panels I thought looked good, I still couldn't figure out what in the blue hell was going on.

I can handle very stylized art. I can even handle bad art. But incomprehensible art defeats the entire loving purpose of being a comic book. Liefeld's art is awful, but at least you can usually figure out what's going on (admittedly, "what's going on" in a Liefeld book usually means "Abominations and mutants stand around in pin-up poses while being surrounded by words, and then later something explodes").

This is the same problem I'm running into with the current Winter Soldier book, which I actually find amazing to look at... and nigh-impossible to read. Great art, lovely storytelling.

tenniseveryone
Feb 8, 2014

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Dunbar posted:

Is there any place online to buy back issues of physical comics? I just read Batman Eternal vol 1 and really liked it, and I'd like to be able to jump into the new "volume" starting at issue #35 because I can get 35-37 from my comic shop, but everyone says I really need to read issues 22-34 first. I don't like digital comics so that really isn't an option, but I also can't find anywhere to buy back issues. Am I out of luck?

eBay's yet to steer me wrong. Usually can get stuff for the RRP, always bagged and boarded, and mostly free delivery!

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 32 hours!
Fallen Rib

DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

The only time I can recall being driven off of a book due to the art was Steven T. Seagle's Alpha Flight, with art by (IIRC) Duncan Rouleau. Rouleau's work has become something I enjoy in the right context, over time, but on that particular series, his storytelling skills were terrible; even in the panels I thought looked good, I still couldn't figure out what in the blue hell was going on.

I can handle very stylized art. I can even handle bad art. But incomprehensible art defeats the entire loving purpose of being a comic book. Liefeld's art is awful, but at least you can usually figure out what's going on (admittedly, "what's going on" in a Liefeld book usually means "Abominations and mutants stand around in pin-up poses while being surrounded by words, and then later something explodes").

This is the same problem I'm running into with the current Winter Soldier book, which I actually find amazing to look at... and nigh-impossible to read. Great art, lovely storytelling.

One thing that I find jarring isn't necessarily bad art but a change in artwork/direction. I know artists might not be able to keep up with the workload and sometimes fill-in's are there. While this can be jarring, it is usually temporary and a bit of a necessary evil. However, the one thing that I do find jarring is when there is a long-term artist on a book who is replaced with another long term artist and the style takes a radical change. I have been reading Brubakers Catwoman run with initial art by Darwin Cooke (who I love) and the final collection has artwork by Pulacy (who I don't have a problem with outside of Catwoman) and the artwork switch is so off-putting that I find myself not really enjoying the Pulacy stuff at all. The stories are still okay (though the seemed to peak with the Relentless storyline) but every time I look at a Pulacy panel I feel sad that it isn't a Cooke panel instead.

A Tin Of Beans
Nov 25, 2013

irlZaphod posted:

I added the series to my pull when it was announced because I like Bucky a lot, but then about a week before #1 came out I heard it was a "Bucky in Space" series, and was pretty disappointed. I had similar feelings about the first issue as yourselves, but I actually kinda liked the 2nd issue a lot.

The second issue was super fun, and the art/paneling was VASTLY improved. I could actually tell what was happening! :swoon: I was really wary and disappointed after issue 1 too but at the moment I'm glad I've stuck with it. It sounds like the creative team heard the complaints about #1 and are going to try and make things more coherent going forward.

Now, that's all well and good, but if that awful #1 layout killed the book ... welp!

(Seriously, there's a subplot involving some kind of cute animal that literally never gets shown on the page as far as I can tell. I love Bucky and I love dumb space stuff so I had high hopes but yeah. If it hadn't improved I would have been off it. Which is weird, because I stuck around All-New Invaders for a lot longer despite hating the art AND the writing whereas this just had bad art.)

Summary: if you're even mildly interested but stopped getting it after #1 let you down, try #2. It's good.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Madkal posted:

One thing that I find jarring isn't necessarily bad art but a change in artwork/direction. I know artists might not be able to keep up with the workload and sometimes fill-in's are there. While this can be jarring, it is usually temporary and a bit of a necessary evil. However, the one thing that I do find jarring is when there is a long-term artist on a book who is replaced with another long term artist and the style takes a radical change. I have been reading Brubakers Catwoman run with initial art by Darwin Cooke (who I love) and the final collection has artwork by Pulacy (who I don't have a problem with outside of Catwoman) and the artwork switch is so off-putting that I find myself not really enjoying the Pulacy stuff at all. The stories are still okay (though the seemed to peak with the Relentless storyline) but every time I look at a Pulacy panel I feel sad that it isn't a Cooke panel instead.

Even after Cooke left, they replaced him with Brad Rader and Cameron Stewart, two artists with low-key, tasteful, vaguely Timm-inspired styles, similar to Cooke's. I absolutely loved that series through #24, owned the four original TPBs (reprinted in the first two more recent volumes), and never read #25-37 with Gulacy's art until relatively recently.

I couldn't take it. I sold that last TPB because it was difficult to look at... and you're right, even the stories weren't as good as the earlier material with Black Mask and the cross-country road trip.

Brocktoon
Jul 18, 2006

Before we engage we should hang back and study their tactics.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:

Even after Cooke left, they replaced him with Brad Rader and Cameron Stewart, two artists with low-key, tasteful, vaguely Timm-inspired styles, similar to Cooke's. I absolutely loved that series through #24, owned the four original TPBs (reprinted in the first two more recent volumes), and never read #25-37 with Gulacy's art until relatively recently.

I couldn't take it. I sold that last TPB because it was difficult to look at... and you're right, even the stories weren't as good as the earlier material with Black Mask and the cross-country road trip.

I actually did a post about this in the Good/Bad Comic Art thread a few months ago when I was reading the last TPB. Good god, the art change was so jarring and terrible.

Brocktoon posted:

Just finished v3 of Brubaker's Catwoman. After the series established itself with amazing art by Darwyn Cooke, Cameron Stewart and Sean Phillips, for some reason the art took a turn for the terrifying as the last few story arcs were drawn by the team of Paul Gulacy and Jimmy Palmiotti.



These are some of the examples I could cull from the internet, but they're hardly the worst that it gets. Why does everyone have eyes the size of dinner plates and a pointy pig-nose? WHat the hell is going on with Selena's boobs in that first cover? Why does Slam Bradley suddenly look like a mid-30s Bogart?

While Burbaker's writing was spot-on the whole run, this art (and the needless War Games crossover) really brought down the final set of issues.

HitTheTargets
Mar 3, 2006

I came here to laugh at you.
Hey, do we know Lady Thor's origin yet?

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



HitTheTargets posted:

Hey, do we know Lady Thor's origin yet?

She was on the moon, picked up Thor's hammer and gained the power of Thor.

SirDan3k
Jan 6, 2001

Trust me, you are taking this a lot more seriously then I am.

HitTheTargets posted:

Hey, do we know Lady Thor's origin yet?

Not yet. If it sticks to new character formula, which is has so far, we'll finish the first arc before we find out.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
It's like 99.9% confirmed (through context clues from her inner monologue) that it's SHIELD Agent Roz Solomon from the previous Thor God of Thunder series. But yeah, still no explicit reveal yet.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

TwoPair posted:

It's like 99.9% confirmed (through context clues from her inner monologue) that it's SHIELD Agent Roz Solomon from the previous Thor God of Thunder series. But yeah, still no explicit reveal yet.

I think Aaron's a better writer than Loeb, but Red Hulk literally appeared in a panel alongside the dude he turned out to be. Don't underestimate how far comic book writers will go for a red herring.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Wait, how did that work?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

muscles like this? posted:

Wait, how did that work?

Loeb changed the identity. The same guy who leaked Skrull Elektra was 99% certain that Red Hulk was Betty Ross.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Rhyno posted:

Loeb changed the identity. The same guy who leaked Skrull Elektra was 99% certain that Red Hulk was Betty Ross.

And then they did that anyway.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Gaz-L posted:

And then they did that anyway.

Truth. But originally it was supposed to be some Ranma 1/2 poo poo going on.

SirDan3k
Jan 6, 2001

Trust me, you are taking this a lot more seriously then I am.
It's one of those holdovers of when you could keep a lid on twists, really all serial media needs to get over that and just solider on when a twist gets spoiled.

Rhyno posted:

Truth. But originally it was supposed to be some Ranma 1/2 poo poo going on.

Less actual sex swap and more that at Hulk levels of muscle mass you can pretty much kiss secondary female sex characteristics bye bye.

SirDan3k fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Dec 25, 2014

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muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Is that also supposed to explain the missing mustache?

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