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Sydney Bottocks posted:That would have been...ooh, I want to say early-mid 2000s. Like 2002-2003ish? They were definitely responsible for getting me back into the game big-time (I think the first one I read would have been the IA on the Night Lords), because I loved how they expanded upon the fluff presented in the army books. You should have seen the curve this year. January 15th: 743. January 21st: 545. The biggest drop was in 2005, though. Starting with 880 I think, and dropping to 400 something in half a years, 300 point drop happening over a week between March and April. The gently caress happened then...
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JcDent posted:You should have seen the curve this year. January 15th: 743. January 21st: 545. Lord of the rings bust. Been very well documented if you want to search for it, but basically GW were literally drowning in money and customers that one day just disappeared. Left them with loads of staff they didnt need, and the overheads caused by such a rapid expansion.
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Dec 20, 2014 09:31
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Yeah, a 15 point drop doesn't seem like anything to write home about. As an aside, you would have thought that having that gigantic slap in the face in 2005 would have taught them some lessons about not going for short-term numbers pinned on an increasingly smaller customer base, but I guess nine years is practically an eternity when it comes to corporate memory.
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Dec 20, 2014 10:54
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JcDent posted:Kind of. Went from 520 to 505 (whatever that means) in two days. Not much - it's normal fluctuations.  The only significant drop was on the 8th with the profit announcement.
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Dec 20, 2014 10:58
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Can anybody expand on the 2005 busts? Googling it leads to mostly, well, busts. Of elves.
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Dec 20, 2014 11:56
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serious gaylord posted:Lord of the rings bust. Been very well documented if you want to search for it. I've searched for this and cannot find it. Any good ideas on places to start?
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Dec 20, 2014 12:13
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JcDent posted:Plus, when they update poo poo, cool stuff happens, like the new Lost and Damned (they also released free updates for them when new 40K editions came out). FW is a cool guy who just happens to sell miniatures at twice the GW prices. Unless you live in Australia, in which case its about the same 
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Loxbourne posted:I've searched for this and cannot find it. Any good ideas on places to start? As I understand it, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, basically they had a big influx of cash from getting the rights to, and selling, the LotR strategy battle game. Then they stopped making LotR movies and it all went down the pan lightning fast because no-one cared any more. Especially not about all of the extended universe and appendices stuff they were released to prop up the SBG which would otherwise have only really been 'orcs vs men and elves'. E: it's a shame actually because, as with the Hobbit, they actually made some pretty nice minis I wouldn't have minded owning for the right price. Shockingly enough, GW's was not the right price.
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Dec 20, 2014 12:50
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Didn't that also overlap with the unprecedented (even for GW!) hike in LotR minis cost? I remember something like a $75 box of three human-sized figures, for example.
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Dec 20, 2014 13:13
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JerryLee posted:Yeah, a 15 point drop doesn't seem like anything to write home about. To be fair, this is nothing like what happened with Lord of the Rings. During the biggest part of that, between two towers and the return of the king releases, they literally couldn't keep up with demand. One manager told me that no matter what was released, there would be the same people outside his shop who would come in, buy it and go home. Once the movies ended, and they ran out of things from the films to make that well just vanished. It wasnt a gradual dwindling of customers over several years like GW are experiencing now, it was like a switch was flipped and (one store I can remember) went from making 30-40 grand a month to 20. They had to expand so quickly that it left them with a lot of company bloat, plus an excess of sales staff that were just not required anymore.
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Dec 20, 2014 13:48
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They were even doing that crazy LotR partwork thing in partnership with DeAgostini when that was at its peak. It was one of those dumb "build this model clockshipaircraft replica in only 500 weekly parts, first issue 99 pence (regular price 99 pounds)" magazines, except it was a LotR mini or bits with a little rules/scenario/fact file/painting/hobby thing every issue. I can't remember what the price was like but they appeal to the sort of obsessive collectors that will not cancel a subscription for years in the best case, but add hobby gaming to that mix? Probably raked it in to start with, especially since lots of the bits were exclusive to the magazine at the time. In some way it also seems like the hobby gaming "induction" that GW's core line up seems to be missing now.
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Dec 20, 2014 14:17
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THe lotr magazine that gave a away a figure with every issue was the most popular DeAgostini magazine they've ever made.
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Dec 20, 2014 15:05
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I had a sub for a while I think. Got a bunch of old lotr dudes in my loft
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Dec 20, 2014 16:05
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Im not surprised. The first issue had 12 orcs for $3.99NZ (£1.50). Thats probably the cheapest minis GW has ever released.
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Dec 20, 2014 16:12
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 i'm sure this is old news to everybody here but i stopped playing 3 years ago at the tail end of 5th and just checked the store today. is there a reason other than the usual GW gouging why the most popular codex in the game increased in price 100%, and additionally is $10 more than every other codex, because lmao also the GW website by default sorts by high-to-low pricing. subtle.
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Dec 20, 2014 16:34
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Hog Inspector posted:also the GW website by default sorts by high-to-low pricing. subtle. Literally every online store does this by default
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Dec 20, 2014 17:01
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enri posted:Literally every online store does this by default amazon sorts by new and popular
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enri posted:Literally every online store does this by default Lol, I wish. That would have been majorly helpful when I was looking for my Infinity starter (normally, the starter is the most expensive poo poo in every faction, except for maybe giant stompy robots). It's really not that popular and some don't even give you the option. Man, Hobit minis just have some sort of appeal I can't put my finger on. The only thing I know about the rules comes from 1d4chan and the game seems to be so unpopular, the rules aren't exactly  and it doesn't a general neither here, nor in 4chan (is that a double negative?), and I'm not too terribly excited about playing LOTR. But I look at them, and maaaan, they look sweet. Oh, and maybe a stupid thing I thought about : Forgeworld is extremely happy to show their minis unpainted, while GW has them done up to a level that is out of league for most buyers. It's somewhat interesting.
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JcDent posted:Man, Hobit minis just have some sort of appeal I can't put my finger on. The Perry brothers sculpted all/most of the Hobbit and LotR line, and they're some of the best sculptors in the business. So that's probably why.
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JcDent posted:Oh, and maybe a stupid thing I thought about : Forgeworld is extremely happy to show their minis unpainted, while GW has them done up to a level that is out of league for most buyers. It's somewhat interesting. Yeah, I think that there's something to be made of the apparent idea that Forgeworld customers are appealed to by an excellently sculpted blank slate for them to work their (presumed) artistic mastery on, while regular GW customers are better appealed to by a fantasy image of their toy soldiers already completely painted. It's a stereotype with all the pitfalls that a stereotype carries when you try to apply it broadly, but there does seem to be something there.
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Dec 20, 2014 23:53
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Slimnoid posted:The Perry brothers sculpted all/most of the Hobbit and LotR line, and they're some of the best sculptors in the business. So that's probably why. 
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Yeah they didn't leave in like a huff or anything they finished the product line. They now make their own miniatures as they've been doing and I guess are supported by crazy rich man Peter Jackson who commissions them to sculpt models from what has been said.
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Hog Inspector posted:
The failure on GW's part to correctly price their products for their market is still pretty much a constant as you noticed; what's changed is the codices are now made in hardback with embossed covers, and with much nicer quality paper, than the old softback books. Codex Space Marines is a fair bit thicker than the other ones, which would explain but not justify the $10 difference.
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Dec 21, 2014 23:44
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The problem is that nobody asked for for deluxe and super-deluxe versions to become the only options.
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Well how else do you expect them to justify increasing their prices by 100%? They can't just say outright that they want you to fork over all your cash for their jewel-like books of magic and wonder.
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moths posted:The problem is that nobody asked for for deluxe and super-deluxe versions to become the only options. It always bugged me that people would buy the limited edition codices, completely ignoring the fact that, worst case scenario, in a few years the book would be obsolete and they'd be left with an effectively useless lump of paper, with some fake vale attached to it because it was a limited edition. From the conversations I've been party to, ordering a limited edition codex seems akin to nerd willy waving upon a new release ("Oh yes I'm going to buy twenty of those when they come out, and ten of those, it's the BEST new army in ages") Funnily enough, I'm pretty sure it's the exact same people who end up on trading groups etc. advertising a "mostly unbuilt and unpainted army" a few months after the army's been released. I could just about understand it if the book had a bit more longevity to it but as it stands... eh... crazy fucks will lap it up.
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Dec 22, 2014 00:28
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My beef is that the digital editions cost about the same as these super deluxe hardcovers.
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Other company's digital offerings are such good deals. Most historical lists I've found just give them away since it promotes the core game, but oh no I had to pay $6 for a living, perpetually updating Khador unit list from Privateer Press. Every time there's an expansion, I just get the new stuff as added value.
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spacegoat posted:My beef is that the digital editions cost about the same as these super deluxe hardcovers. And look like absolute poo poo, too.
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I don't mind having limited edition stuff and super boutique models, as others have said. It's nice for that to be an option for people who want it. PP does this well with special editions of models, 'extreme' versions, etc. Corvus Belli has the Bootleg range. It's really not hard to figure out how to do it without being a shitlord to regular armybuilders, presuming of course that not being shitlords is in any way your goal as a publisher of games.
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moths posted:Other company's digital offerings are such good deals. Most historical lists I've found just give them away since it promotes the core game, but oh no I had to pay $6 for a living, perpetually updating Khador unit list from Privateer Press. Every time there's an expansion, I just get the new stuff as added value. Yea this is what bugs me, I don't know how big Warmahordes really is in the industry but GW has to know OF them, right? They have to know OF people that do poo poo like this, where you can buy the rules and army lists and such for cheap because, ya know, the real money is getting us to buy plastic/metal barbies and paint and glue and whatever barbie dream house terrain they make and all that poo poo. The fact that GW seems to think their books are the big ticket items is kinda insane.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea this is what bugs me, I don't know how big Warmahordes really is in the industry but GW has to know OF them, right? They have to know OF people that do poo poo like this, where you can buy the rules and army lists and such for cheap because, ya know, the real money is getting us to buy plastic/metal barbies and paint and glue and whatever barbie dream house terrain they make and all that poo poo. The fact that GW seems to think their books are the big ticket items is kinda insane. They know, they're just convinced that their competition will soon go out of business due to all the money they're losing from not having GW's impeccable business acumen.
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Hra Mormo posted:They know, they're just convinced that their competition will soon go out of business due to all the money they're losing from not having GW's impeccable business acumen. Don't worry, those short lived fads like Pokemon will die off soon enough.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea this is what bugs me, I don't know how big Warmahordes really is in the industry but GW has to know OF them, right? They have to know OF people that do poo poo like this, where you can buy the rules and army lists and such for cheap because, ya know, the real money is getting us to buy plastic/metal barbies and paint and glue and whatever barbie dream house terrain they make and all that poo poo. The fact that GW seems to think their books are the big ticket items is kinda insane.
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S.J. posted:Don't worry, those short lived fads like Pokemon will die off soon enough.  I still play them well into my 20s
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Hra Mormo posted:They know, they're just convinced that their competition will soon go out of business due to all the money they're losing from not having GW's impeccable business acumen. Once the players awaken from their fever dream and realize that Warmachine minis aren't really all that jewel-like or wondrous heh, the shoe will be on the other foot then 
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JerryLee posted:Once the players awaken from their fever dream and realize that Warmachine minis aren't really all that jewel-like or wondrous Yes, the other foot of well-designed, competitive rulesets 
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Pierzak posted:Yes, the other foot of well-designed, competitive rulesets Well, yeah. If you're paying attention to the game, you'll forget about your tea!
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jigokuman posted:Privateer Press didn't agree, and wanted to make sure they got a cut of that sweet rulebook money. Had PP yet established distribution in Japan? The situation you're describing sounds more like they wanted to control their own brand, rather than gamble it in the hands of a fan translation.
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moths posted:Had PP yet established distribution in Japan? The situation you're describing sounds more like they wanted to control their own brand, rather than gamble it in the hands of a fan translation. The post specified a Japanese company, so not a fan translation. But yeah, can't blame them for not necessarily wanting to license it out. How did they eventually end up entering the Japanese market? (I assume they did.)
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