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TAKE PICTURES OF YOUR drat ENGINE BAY ALREADY THIS IS LIKE THE AI SLOW MOTION THREAD
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Sperg, tell me your next car will be an early 80s SAAB 900 Turbo. 
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Dec 20, 2014 17:30
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Adiabatic posted:TAKE PICTURES OF YOUR drat ENGINE BAY ALREADY THIS IS LIKE THE AI SLOW MOTION THREAD Just give us nice, focused shots of stuff so we can help you diagnose this poo poo.
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Dec 20, 2014 18:27
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I'm gonna try to head out his way with a nice camera today.
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Dec 20, 2014 18:57
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Safety Dance posted:I'm gonna try to head out his way with a nice camera today. 
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Dec 20, 2014 19:04
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Viggen posted:Sperg, tell me your next car will be an early 80s SAAB 900 Turbo. Hoping for 1990s euro, with biodegradable wiring looms.
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Dec 20, 2014 20:02
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Fo3 posted:Hoping for 1990s euro, with biodegradable wiring looms. Nah. wrapping looms isn't big deal. Whats a little short among friends? v  vMy suggestion has a backwards motor, slightly slanted. Mated to the trans easier, you see.. even if replacing the belts confuses the gently caress out of anyone not privvy. Also, if he gets old enough, it is an oil (only) cooled turbo..
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Dec 20, 2014 20:04
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InitialDave posted:Quoting for support. Cue vague out of focus shots, "I tried to get the camera to work but my mom won't help me."
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Dec 20, 2014 23:17
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leica posted:Cue vague out of focus shots, "I tried to get the camera to work but my mom won't help me." Nah, Safety Dance is taking pictures. Including some cringe-worthy recording of my driving, because I am terrible at driving manual. :<
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Dec 20, 2014 23:22
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you may be terrible at driving now but give it time. I once SUCKED at driving a manual. Then I spent a few days driving my dads truck to a work site down 290 in morning rush hour..so what im saying is get a cup of coffee grab a smoke of choice and drive that bad boy around the Chicago highway in rush hour....you will learn how drive stick....or wreck the car...
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Dec 20, 2014 23:25
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SouthsideSaint posted:a cup of coffee No cupholders. :<
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Dec 20, 2014 23:28
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Okay, so it's quite a nice looking car. Way more powerful than I expected.    Hood pins!      Custom hood prop     It's got a couple of problems from what I saw: - One of the belts/pulleys squeals sometimes - Problems idling. The engine will sometimes stop running when you take your foot off the clutch. Idle RPMs bounce up and down a little bit. - Weak clutch. In third, I was able to make the clutch slip pretty dramatically. - Dash switch that controls the radiator fan. We definitely need to get a thermal switch wired up. Fortunately for winter driving, it has massive turbo lag. It's really easy to drive sedately. We went to Autozone and picked up a set of battery terminals like kastein recommended (I picked up a pair for myself). I'm going to order some crimp-on ring terminals, then I'll head over with a crimper and we'll get his battery buttoned up. I haven't uploaded the video of Mr. Firecock driving yet because there's a cat sleeping on my arm and a wife sleeping on my leg. I'll try to take care of that later tonight. My critique is that he's afraid of the friction zone, so he revs the car really high and then jerks his foot off the clutch. We did a small reverse burnout in the Autozone parking lot. I explained to him how clutches work, and suggested he find a big parking lot and practice making the car roll without using the gas. Safety Dance fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Dec 21, 2014 |
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Dec 21, 2014 01:58
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yeah that was exactly what it was like when I drove it. my big rear end boots accidentaly held the gas pedal and I thought that was the cause of the squeaking belt. But this was also before the mechanic "Replaced it" so it could be the belt they didn't replace for you is now squeaking. If you can drive that thing to by my house at a location I will PM you. I can look at it sometime tomorrow during the day??? just pm me Edit: after further review of the pictures and me not being outside in the freezing wind I realize your missing a mechanical fan. And im guessing the PO removed it in order to have that hella sick turbo pipe run across the front of the engine. WE NEED TO GO JUNKYARDING!!!!! clam ache fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Dec 21, 2014 |
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Dec 21, 2014 02:03
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If I dint suck at Photoshop I could circle things but Ill just try to explain. SO first the belt in the rear of this picture looks old the one on the front looks new due to the paint not being poo poo. Also those four bolts on the pulley should be holding a mechanical fan to that water pump. And the little relay that is ziptied has the wires all twisted like some P.O. Fuckery so if your fans are electric that may help control them.
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Dec 21, 2014 02:10
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That fan setup looks better than I thought it would but I would still it for an OEM fan/clutch unless there was a thermoswitch on it. However, I am not sure what the clearance is going to be like with that pipe there. Where is it going? The turbo and all the plumbing should be on the drivers side. Does it have an intercooler? Safety Dance posted:It's got a couple of problems from what I saw: I'd make sure the belts are sized properly (not just length, width too). Alternatively, the thing is almost 30 years old and the belt sheaves/pulleys could certainly be worn, or you know, bearings. quote:- Problems idling. The engine will sometimes stop running when you take your foot off the clutch. Idle RPMs bounce up and down a little bit. quote:- Weak clutch. In third, I was able to make the clutch slip pretty dramatically. I am glad that there doesn't seem to be an actual overheating issue other than the fan. I would be curious to know if this car started life as a Turbo or was converted. The "3000" on the intake plenum cover is actually the cover they used on the non-turbo models, although it's possible he just swapped it for some reason.
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Dec 21, 2014 02:15
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Yeah looks like even if he did put a mech fan back in it wouldn't work with that piping in the way. Or just re route the piping....That's what I'd do or get a better E fan if that one isn't sufficient.
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Dec 21, 2014 02:19
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slidebite posted:However, I am not sure what the clearance is going to be like with that pipe there. Where is it going? The turbo and all the plumbing should be on the drivers side. Does it have an intercooler? It does have an intercooler. Honestly, I can't diagnose the idling issue very well. My first thought was "idle air control valve", but I don't know enough about Z cars to know if this one would have one.
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Dec 21, 2014 02:40
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That is a sharp looking car. Quite a few issues from what I can see. First, the car is still running the factory efi. There is a few issues with this, the open to atmosphere bov would cause running issues, especially on a clutch in. Second, the AFM is just passed a bend, which can cause turbulence and as such, poor running. Also the filter is right behind the fans, further causing turbulence. Look up z32 flower pot mod. The z32 had a huge issue with turbulent flow at the maf when cone filters are added, causing all sorts of weird running issues. There is also an alarming amount of chinesium parts on it. The "nitrous" brand gauges are harbor freight/eBay, the fuel pressure regulator is also an eBay unit. Stock z31 turbos are not very fast, I'm pretty sure this is an NA-T car, since all the gauges have been replaced and the top plate on the engine isn't the right one. The turbo clutches can also hold a pretty decent amount of power, this is probably running the stock NA clutch. These cars done right are very quick. The biggest issues I have with this car is the fueling. If it is not running the turbo efi and upgraded injectors, the motor is not long for this world. Hell, I would hope it has been chipped or nistuned for reliabilities sake, but the cost to do that easily eclipses the cost of all those Chinese parts. In all honesty OP, sell the car. You are multiple levels outside your capabilities. If that's not an option, it is time for a beater and a lot of time doing research and unfucking the cheap PO's doing. That weird thing on the core support with the cheap looking metal bracket is a thermostatic relay. It is sold at parts stores but shouldn't be used for directly powering OEM fans due to crap current capacity. It has probably burnt out which is why you have to use the switch to control it. I prefer the Hayden 3647 ( I think that's the number) as it has a replaceable automotive relay on it. Also sold at all parts stores. mafoose fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Dec 21, 2014 |
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Dec 21, 2014 02:40
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mafoose posted:In all honesty OP, sell the car. You are multiple levels outside your capabilities. If that's not an option, it is time for a beater and a lot of time doing research and unfucking the cheap PO's doing. I wouldn't go quite that far. Yes, there's a buttload of PO fuckery, but Firecock told me he'd be willing to dump about $5K into getting this car running well once he starts working. Reading the plugs would tell us if the fuelling is way off. Once that's sorted and he has a new clutch in place, then it would be pretty good.
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Dec 21, 2014 02:51
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Funny thing is, people that would actually know how to fix the car would never have even bothered with it to begin with. This car was destined to end up with the OP and break his heart.
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Dec 21, 2014 02:57
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mafoose posted:The biggest issues I have with this car is the fueling. If it is not running the turbo efi and upgraded injectors, the motor is not long for this world. Hell, I would hope it has been chipped or nistuned for reliabilities sake, but the cost to do that easily eclipses the cost of all those Chinese parts. quote:VIN Number Arrangement: JN1 C Z 1 4 S * G X 000101 Cutting losses is not a crazy thing to do.
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Dec 21, 2014 02:57
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Safety Dance posted:I wouldn't go quite that far. Yes, there's a buttload of PO fuckery, but Firecock told me he'd be willing to dump about $5K into getting this car running well once he starts working. Reading the plugs would tell us if the fuelling is way off. Once that's sorted and he has a new clutch in place, then it would be pretty good. He'd be better off putting 5k into something else honestly. I'd get it running halfway decent and sell it. Then buy a Miata
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Dec 21, 2014 03:00
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Safety Dance posted:I wouldn't go quite that far. Yes, there's a buttload of PO fuckery, but Firecock told me he'd be willing to dump about $5K into getting this car running well once he starts working. Reading the plugs would tell us if the fuelling is way off. Once that's sorted and he has a new clutch in place, then it would be pretty good. If the PO did convert a NA motor in a Turbo, I'd be really curious to know what he did to the internals, in particular pistons and compression. Cutting losses is a reasonable course of action. He isn't comfortable working let alone have the knowledge. It'll always be parked.
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Dec 21, 2014 03:01
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqDR2sWtEho How to explode a manual transmission.
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Dec 21, 2014 03:14
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Dec 21, 2014 03:19
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quote:Ok, slooowwwly come up Ay%#% the clutch Good thing it has enough torque to not stall out.
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Dec 21, 2014 03:24
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What the gently caress is up with those pants? Did the bolt come free with a purchase of two McCalls patterns?* *I only expect Motronic and meatpimp to get this reference. (I don't want to hit anyone by accident, either.)
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Dec 21, 2014 04:55
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Those pants are the ugliest pants I could find on short notice. Now, to address everyone saying to cut my losses and sell it: I'd really rather not do that. This car feels like something special, like something that I want to keep and cherish and have fun with. I understand that it has issues, and I pretty much came into this car expecting to have issues, and having to resolve those issues. If I didn't think it had issues, it'd probably be a catastrophically boring car, and that is exactly the kind of car I don't want. I get kind of a perverse thrill out of, "oh god the car's not working again, what's wrong with it this time".
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Dec 21, 2014 05:23
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Pretty sure he bought the pants and got a free bowl of soup. [edit] It's admirable that you want to deal with the car's issues, but what we're saying is unless you have the knowledge to do it yourself you might as well be flushing money down the toilet. If you plan on learning on the car, and committed to do what it takes then go for it, but if you have any reservations about the task at hand whatsoever, you really need to cut your losses or it will end in tears and the car being worth less than what you paid for it after draining your account to get it to run and drive like it should. Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Dec 21, 2014 |
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Dec 21, 2014 05:24
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leica posted:Pretty sure he bought the pants and got a free bowl of soup. Bought them at a thrift store. Hell of a deal. 
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Dec 21, 2014 05:27
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If you're serious about wanting to keep the car, get the cheapest, worst beater that won't leave you stranded, unless you're OK with not having a car while you learn how to do something on. This isn't the best car to learn on, but neither was most people's first project car. Just treat it like a growth experience and be careful, if you're capable of following directions and can reason about problems, you can do anything that you want to that doesn't require tools you don't have; then you just need to get the tools.
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Dec 21, 2014 05:29
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Sperglord Firecock posted:Those pants are the ugliest pants I could find on short notice. I kinda figured those were your pajamas and I'd just woken you up.
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Dec 21, 2014 05:31
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Safety Dance posted:I kinda figured those were your pajamas and I'd just woken you up. Nah, I like dressing in homeless people clothes.
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Dec 21, 2014 05:42
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OP go for it. I had a shoe-horned M30 engine in an E30 named Oliver and it was equal parts horrifying and the best car ever. This is automotive insanity and we love this poo poo and damnit you will too. The guy before you did a lot of stuff on the cheap to make power and that poo poo is going to break a lot in a lovely succession. You seem to be cool with this for now and worst case you cut your losses. Cool. Here's the thing. We want to help, but you have to do some loving leg work or we're just going to berate the poo poo out of you. This is one big character building exercise that you'll eventually get to talk down to your kids about if you just put in some drat effort. Get a mechanics tool set ASAP and start asking us what you need to fix. Talk with us. Get a game plan going because right now you look like a sheep sitting on the 80/90 staring at one of those double trailer fedex trucks driven by equal parts 13 inch dick and a dude that's been on meth for 36 hours. AI and the people in it are the best resource for crazy fucks like you and me and kastein and slow is fast and all these idiots on a tarp in sub zero weather swapping engines for fun. Some dumbass just spent his Saturday taking pictures of your car for us and trying to teach you how to learn manual. We aren't seeing much from you though. Start putting in effort. Proactivity. Own this poo poo. Break poo poo. Learn by doing. Help us help you or we'll just piss in the goon well.
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Dec 21, 2014 05:48
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Adiabatic posted:OP go for it. I had a shoe-horned M30 engine in an E30 named Oliver and it was equal parts horrifying and the best car ever. This is automotive insanity and we love this poo poo and damnit you will too. Understood. I'm getting a full tool set for Christmas, in addition for a few other neat nifty things and money. Things I need to buy include: - Wire Crimper from Harbor Freight. - Metric Socket Set - Maybe a jack? Might need to get under the car at some point. - I have the service manual but that doesn't cover a lot of the more in-depth stuff, AFAIK. - What else? I'm up for suggestions.
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Dec 21, 2014 05:56
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Sperglord Firecock posted:- Maybe a jack? Might need to get under the car at some point. Jack Stands and a wheel chock. Never get under the car with just a jack holding it up. That is what jack stands are for. The HF Racing jack is great, spend some time in the tools thread here on AI and you will find a lot of useful tools and ways to spend money.
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Dec 21, 2014 05:59
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Adiabatic posted:Here's the thing. We want to help.... Case in point. I was going to send the Op a FPR, and two different thermisters for his cooling fans.....
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Dec 21, 2014 06:05
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Korwen posted:Jack Stands and a wheel chock. Never get under the car with just a jack holding it up. That is what jack stands are for. The HF Racing jack is great, spend some time in the tools thread here on AI and you will find a lot of useful tools and ways to spend money. I'm partial to the HF racing jack with the two wheels up from. The one with the steam roller front seems quite unstable when I used it. If you plan on going ahead with this car, keep in mind that $5k will not do much if you're going to pay a shop to work on it (if a shop even agrees to work on it). $5k will go drat far if you're doing the work yourself and do things right (or else end up doing them twice). The fact that it is still running means you have a decent base, it's just so much easier to learn when you're doing the mods yourself, not dealing with someone's half done project. Good luck to you.
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Dec 21, 2014 06:10
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cursedshitbox posted:Case in point. I was going to send the Op a FPR, and two different thermisters for his cooling fans..... I reminded him to PM you his address today.
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cursedshitbox posted:Case in point. I was going to send the Op a FPR, and two different thermisters for his cooling fans..... Done. Sorry it took a while. Things've been complicated what with holiday prep and job search. But I got the interview for that Car Rental place literally a 3 minute walk from my house, so job soon, woo!
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