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Lum_ posted:left side - evil Nazi druggie gay Europeans Yes I understand the intention of the propaganda, it just seems like Hitler got lost and ended up on the wrong side of the picture.
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Warbadger posted:Yes I understand the intention of the propaganda, it just seems like Hitler got lost and ended up on the wrong side of the picture.
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Cingulate posted:Okay, what's up with this "Homonazi" thing? I giggle like a child whenever I read that term. Is this simply an invoke about the combination of reactionary policies and antifascist rhetoric in Russia, and painting the West as (fascist) invaders trying to impose their western values (including homosexuality)? Or does the term have an external origin? Cingulate posted:Ukrainian guy definitely looks like he belongs on the homonazi side, with that haircut.
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Warbadger posted:Yes I understand the intention of the propaganda, it just seems like Hitler got lost and ended up on the wrong side of the picture. You're overcomplicating. Russian propaganda doesn't rail about Nazis because of their ideology, but because they are Bad Guys that invaded the motherland before the Good Guys kicked their rear end. It's one of the funniest (in a very dark way) features of Russian turbo-nationalist propaganda. "We hate Nazis! And to prove it, we're going to make the strongest army in the world, invade our neighbors, and throw all the Jews and gays and liberals in camps."
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kalstrams posted:It's traditional haircut. kalstrams posted:"eliminate homosexuals - and fascism will disappear"
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Phlegmish posted:In Russian propaganda, Westerners are simultaneously neo-nazis and degenerate drug-addicted homosexuals. In all fairness, a lot of the NSDAP bosses were degenerates, drug addicts and homosexuals!
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Dec 21, 2014 17:21
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Phlegmish posted:In Russian propaganda, Westerners are simultaneously neo-nazis and degenerate drug-addicted homosexuals. I still find that random 50 Serbian Dinar bill in the lower left hilarious. 
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Dec 21, 2014 17:22
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Nenonen posted:In all fairness, a lot of the NSDAP bosses were degenerates, drug addicts and homosexuals! Same with Stalin's guard 
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my dad posted:I still find that random 50 Serbian Dinar bill in the lower left hilarious. If that's what it is I'm surprised, since I thought Serbians were supposed to be their Orthodox Slav brothers.
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Dec 21, 2014 17:24
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my dad posted:I still find that random 50 Serbian Dinar bill in the lower left hilarious. HAHA, HOLY poo poo! How have I never noticed this before. 
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Dec 21, 2014 17:37
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my dad posted:I still find that random 50 Serbian Dinar bill in the lower left hilarious.  You are right. I always thought it was 50 euros so never bothered to check. I always thought cocaine was snorted with more valuable notes, 50 RSD is like half a buck.
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Dec 21, 2014 17:39
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Amazingly, the Serbian dinar is actually worth less than the rouble. But the Russians are cheating since I'm pretty sure they regularly lop off a few zeros.
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Dec 21, 2014 17:53
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I know it's hard to tell nowadays, but this particular picture is (good) satire. 
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Dec 21, 2014 18:26
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Cingulate posted:I don't understand why fascists, and totalitarians in general, have such a massive hate-boner for specifically gay men. Why would people who extoll the virtues of masculinity -- strength, determination, aggressiveness, etc. --, want the entire society to be based on the military model where strong, fit men in uniforms bunk together, get dirty together, etc. as "brothers in arms" and also are fascinated with the phallic imagery of weapons -- swords, rifles, cannons, missiles, etc. -- would be obsessed by male homosexuality? Maybe Sigmund could help us solve this riddle.
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Cat Mattress posted:Maybe Sigmund could help us solve this riddle. The question remains, why do all these militarists hate gay men?
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Dec 21, 2014 18:59
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Soviet and Russian military has history of personnel in the closet, and respective abuses.
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Cingulate posted:Probably not, he was completely wrong about what motivates people in hilarious ways. It probably has something to do with Christianity.
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Cingulate posted:Probably not, he was completely wrong about what motivates people in hilarious ways. Fascism loves family and tradition. Connected to that is a belief in strictly separated male and female roles. Gays break all of these preconceptions.
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steinrokkan posted:Fascism loves family and tradition. Connected to that is a belief in strictly separated male and female roles. Gays break all of these preconceptions. "War is to man is what maternity is to a woman" - Mussolini 
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Traditionalists idolize heterosexual patriarchal societies, pretty much everywhere, regardless of religion. Edit: what everyone else said.
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Typo posted:When did Russian media become this virulently anti-west (again) post-cold war?  And since we're here, let's look at some other surveys by Levada Center: code:Cuntpunch posted:On the topic of Russia: I think it's been brought up before. As much as you can say that Russians *believe* the national media story(brave separatists fighting homonazis, etc) isn't it pretty much defined by expectations there that they know it's all bullshit but they'll buy into because "our country is the laughing stock of the modern world and is largely a shithole with no redeeming qualities" is a much worse thing to believe? code:
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So how is the ruble situation looking? Is it still dropping or has it stabilized? If it has stabilized will it stay stable for any significant length of time or will it just start dropping again?
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I'm curious what the sampling procedure is for those Levada polls. N=1600 is OK, but a lot depends on how that N is obtained.Telsa Cola posted:So how is the ruble situation looking? Is it still dropping or has it stabilized? If it has stabilized will it stay stable for any significant length of time or will it just start dropping again? A lot depends on whether or not the government is still spending its reserves to prop up the exchange rate. I can't find the day-to-day change that someone had posted (help?), but in the new year, and assuming accuracy, this assessment, particularly changes in the leftmost column, will indicate whether or not ongoing expenditures have occurred. I believe that the foreign reserves most available to Russia are actually under the heading "foreign exchange", meaning the pertinent value for 11/2014 is $361,409 million. ninja edit: you can see a weekly change on the linked site as well, but it hasn't been updated for the 19th. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Dec 22, 2014 |
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Telsa Cola posted:So how is the ruble situation looking? Is it still dropping or has it stabilized? If it has stabilized will it stay stable for any significant length of time or will it just start dropping again? It rebounded slightly, but it's hard to tell what the long-term trend will be.
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Discendo Vox posted:I'm curious what the sampling procedure is for those Levada polls. N=1600 is OK, but a lot depends on how that N is obtained.
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Discendo Vox posted:I believe that the foreign reserves most available to Russia are actually under the heading "foreign exchange", meaning the pertinent value for 11/2014 is $361,409 million. I think you wrote million instead of billion. (Edit: disregard, I got confused by the decimal point vs decimal comma difference) Anyway, even if they had to spend the maximum recorded daily amount (cca 2 billion) on a regular basis they coul prop up the ruble for a rather long time. The question is what has longer legs - the Russian National Bank, or OPEC and gas prices.
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Agreed that they have enough foreign currency reserves to prop the ruble up for a long time, but even if it stays at the current exchange rate or improves slightly, they will still be faced with high import costs. The Central Bank's 17% interest rate is also going to wreak havoc on the economy.
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steinrokkan posted:I think you wrote million instead of billion. (Edit: disregard, I got confused by the decimal point vs decimal comma difference) Yeah, the key was that seeing changes in that value would tell us (assuming no bookkeeping skulduggery) how much they had to pour in to keep the currency on an even keel.
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Phlegmish posted:Agreed that they have enough foreign currency reserves to prop the ruble up for a long time, but even if it stays at the current exchange rate or improves slightly, they will still be faced with high import costs. The Central Bank's 17% interest rate is also going to wreak hacov on the economy. The damage has already been done, but the question is if oil has hit bottom or not and right now it seems to be hovering a little under $60, if Chinese statistics start to look less troublesome then the exchange rate will stabilize. It is a massive devaluation though and even if the current rates hold it will be devastating to average Russians. It will, one thing is that it will sap up any domestic investment, but to fair Russia is risking it flee abroad anyway. Almost certainly Russia will go into a recession, possibly a severe one. The question is if the country will hit the skids, run out of reserves to prop up the currency and then face accelerated devaluation at a even higher rate. Russia will be hard pressed to sell bonds in that scenario which puts them into a familiar crunch. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Dec 22, 2014 |
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Discendo Vox posted:I'm curious what the sampling procedure is for those Levada polls. N=1600 is OK, but a lot depends on how that N is obtained. Sorry I forgot the link, it's all in english on their website: http://www.levada.ru/eng/international-relations
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Thank you for responding. Is there a set time frame in which we will see how badly this effects Russia or is this more of a slow burn?
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eigenstate posted:Sorry I forgot the link, it's all in english on their website: http://www.levada.ru/eng/international-relations Reviewing their methods, I now have even more questions. Why are they listing results from Nov 14th based on a survey conducted on the 21st through 24th? Where are they getting that 3.4% from? It's less than the sampling error alone in their methods writeup. Is "random route" sampling really what it sounds like? Looking at it in the literature, it seems laughably problematic as an approach. Drawing a spatial line through a residential sample to choose collection points is basically reintroducing error.
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Discendo Vox posted:Reviewing their methods, I now have even more questions. Why are they listing results from Nov 14th based on a survey conducted on the 21st through 24th? Where are they getting that 3.4% from? It's less than the sampling error alone in their methods writeup. "14" means "2014" because note that they don't list the day except to differentiate the two surveys in March. As for the rest, you're better off contacting them directly because I'm not an expert in survey methodology.
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Phlegmish posted:In Russian propaganda, Westerners are simultaneously neo-nazis and degenerate drug-addicted homosexuals. On the left one can see medicine, money, and love for one's fellow man. On the right one can see rampant militiarism, the middle ages, and 1960's technology. Seems about right to me.
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Fojar38 posted:On the left one can see medicine, money, and love for one's fellow man. Yeah, when I see Yuri Gagarin, I don't think that "we were first in space", it's "remember when we were the first in space". No one gives a poo poo if you're the first anymore, it's how far you go and if you stay there.
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Not to mention it was technically the literal Nazis who were first in space. The Soviets were the first to orbit.
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