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theironjef posted:No one is defending Reloaded. No one likes it. They're saying that Snowpiercer is ripping it off, yes. But you can rip things off from a piece of poo poo if you want, it's merely inadvisable, not impossible. Or maybe a post apocalyptic class-struggle with fistfighting is not something that was invented by the wachowski brothers in 2003.
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Ignite Memories posted:Or maybe a post apocalyptic class-struggle with fistfighting is not something that was invented by the wachowski brothers in 2003. Did you really only read two of the points on that big list? Sure the list is full of miscellaneous stuff but when you see that much of it in one movie, it's not nitpicking anymore. The comparison is definitely there.
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Dec 22, 2014 20:31
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No, i read them, I just think it's a stretch. Hero has to decide between saving one significant person and saving a group of people? Big evil person is actually a calm guy in an office? These are common tropes. The fighting in snowpiercer isn't even kung fu. There's not that many hero's journeys, guys.
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Dec 22, 2014 20:42
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Ignite Memories posted:Or maybe a post apocalyptic class-struggle with fistfighting is not something that was invented by the wachowski brothers in 2003. Ed Harris basically says it outright. Seriously, this Snowpiercer movie that so many people are loving stops during the climax and breaks the 4th wall to acknowledge that it is ripping off the second Matrix film. That happens. Eclipse12 has a new favorite as of 20:46 on Dec 22, 2014 |
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I still don't understand how people loved Snowpiercer so much. Yeah it was pretty and all but otherwise it was loving awful. edit: before anyone says it no I didn't like TMR either.
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I just watched the new Bourne movie, the one starring Jeremy Renner. It wasn't bad, but it ended implying that there's some attraction and potential for a relationship between him and Rachel Weisz. This happens in the first Bourne movie, all the Bond movies and most other's like this where a secret or government agent has to save themselves and the girl. Just once I'd like to see the plot resolved and the movie ending where the girl is terrified of the hero because she just seen him murder dozens of people and he's been doing it for so long he's such a mentally broken person that he barely qualifies as human anymore.
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Dec 22, 2014 20:53
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sildargod posted:Ahhhh Hobbit 3. Where to begin? What bugged me the most was the random Legolas Action Scene bits. Every time he shows up it's to try look all cool and actually looking ridiculous in combat(Especially the Bolg fight) Almost like they decided he was not over-the-top enough in the other movies already. That, and all of the hints at stuff they might just include in the Extended Edition but there's just a sampler to remind you that this bit was in the books as well and they just might expand on it. Ending felt pretty drat rushed as well, I was expecting a bit more wind-down than "Oh hey not sticking around for the funeral, gotta get home and find out people are auctioning off my stuff, and then THE END." At least the book covered a bit of the travels back and added a bit of wrap-up. The movies were generally fairly bad on showing time had passed though.
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Dec 22, 2014 21:28
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While we're on the subject - gently caress LotR for making 3 hour films the new norm. Who the gently caress has time for that? That's loving near enough 20% of my waking day.
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Dec 22, 2014 21:40
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Smoke posted:
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EvilGenius posted:While we're on the subject - gently caress LotR for making 3 hour films the new norm. Who the gently caress has time for that? That's loving near enough 20% of my waking day. Three hours isn't the norm, and plenty of people have time for three hour movies if they're good. Sorry if it takes away from your impotent message board posting.
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Dec 22, 2014 22:02
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MindlessHavok posted:I still don't understand how people loved Snowpiercer so much. Yeah it was pretty and all but otherwise it was loving awful. I've with you man. Snowpiecer is such a stupid movie that I couldn't even finish the damned thing and I generally love movies of that genre and style.Maybe If only the the movie didn't try to take it self serious it would have been better. Maybe it didn't try to take it self serious and I missed it?
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Hulebr00670065006e posted:I've with you man. Snowpiecer is such a stupid movie that I couldn't even finish the damned thing and I generally love movies of that genre and style.Maybe If only the the movie didn't try to take it self serious it would have been better. Maybe it didn't try to take it self serious and I missed it? I wasn't really into the plot of Snowpiercer but I thought the concept was original and the set pieces were kinda cool. Then it got to exposition dump at the end and god that was boring as gently caress.
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Dec 22, 2014 22:22
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Hulebr00670065006e posted:I've with you man. Snowpiecer is such a stupid movie that I couldn't even finish the damned thing and I generally love movies of that genre and style.Maybe If only the the movie didn't try to take it self serious it would have been better. Maybe it didn't try to take it self serious and I missed it? Yeah, it was so overacted and just.. kinda boring and predictable that I didn't even get much more than halfway through before I turned it off.
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Dec 22, 2014 23:17
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Hulebr00670065006e posted:I've with you man. Snowpiecer is such a stupid movie that I couldn't even finish the damned thing and I generally love movies of that genre and style.Maybe If only the the movie didn't try to take it self serious it would have been better. Maybe it didn't try to take it self serious and I missed it? It didn't really take itself that seriously, it just wasn't on the nose about it, which is better than movies that have to take time to give a wink to the audience.
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Dec 22, 2014 23:18
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In what universe is a movie where a dude slips on a fish taking itself too seriously.
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Ego-bot posted:Just once I'd like to see the plot resolved and the movie ending where the girl is terrified of the hero because she just seen him murder dozens of people and he's been doing it for so long he's such a mentally broken person that he barely qualifies as human anymore. The short film Epilogue does exactly that and is amazingly satisfying.
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Blast Fantasto posted:In what universe is a movie where a dude slips on a fish taking itself too seriously. Apparently the same universe where the classroom scene isn't hilarious.
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Ego-bot posted:I just watched the new Bourne movie, the one starring Jeremy Renner. It wasn't bad, but it ended implying that there's some attraction and potential for a relationship between him and Rachel Weisz. This happens in the first Bourne movie, all the Bond movies and most other's like this where a secret or government agent has to save themselves and the girl. 
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That's clearly a real human being 
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The song was being facetious.
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Ego-bot posted:I just watched the new Bourne movie, the one starring Jeremy Renner. It wasn't bad, but it ended implying that there's some attraction and potential for a relationship between him and Rachel Weisz. This happens in the first Bourne movie, all the Bond movies and most other's like this where a secret or government agent has to save themselves and the girl. The James Bond film Goldeneye, which is also the best James Bond ever, was almost like that and had a scene where this is discussed, but then it ends with them about to gently caress in the middle of the jungle. In the same series, Casino Royal also completely subverts the romance, but not in that way.
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WickedHate posted:The James Bond film Goldeneye, which is also the best James Bond ever, was almost like that and had a scene where this is discussed, but then it ends with them about to gently caress in the middle of the jungle. In the same series, Casino Royal also completely subverts the romance, but not in that way. I felt like Skyfall pretty much did this. He basically takes advantage of a terrified woman, gets her killed, and doesn't give a gently caress about it.
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Ignite Memories posted:Seriously, go re watch the burly brawl and tell me the matrix reloaded is not the worst movie ever put to film. You guys clearly do not remember what bad cgi truly is. It can't be the worst film ever because The Matrix Revolutions exists.
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What's wrong with people who think Full Metal Jacket is a movie about how awesome the military and being in the military is? I mean what the gently caress is wrong with those people?
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cheerfullydrab posted:What's wrong with people who think Full Metal Jacket is a movie about how awesome the military and being in the military is? I mean what the gently caress is wrong with those people? I know what's wrong with them. They're non-existent. No but seriously, I have never encountered anyone who holds up FMJ as a movie that shows the awesome-ness of being in the military. Lots of people hold it up as shining a harsh light on just how hosed up you can get when a monolithic institution psychologically breaks you and then remolds you to be a machine of aggression and how not everyone makes it through that process. The second part of the movie is also held up as a good example of just how stupid and futile war really is.
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Hulebr00670065006e posted:I've with you man. Snowpiecer is such a stupid movie that I couldn't even finish the damned thing and I generally love movies of that genre and style.Maybe If only the the movie didn't try to take it self serious it would have been better. Maybe it didn't try to take it self serious and I missed it? Were you not tipped off by the fact the opening shot is literally CHEMTRAILS that snowpiercer doesn't take itself very seriously?
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Memento posted:I know what's wrong with them. They're non-existent. I wish they didn't exist. I have a bunch of people at my job that completely missed the point of FMJ, and nearly all of them are kids signing up for the military. They're either going to die, or end up dead inside. 
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Screaming Idiot posted:I wish they didn't exist. I have a bunch of people at my job that completely missed the point of FMJ, and nearly all of them are kids signing up for the military. Can't even tell you how many of my JROTC "buddies" in high school honestly thought that FMJ was totally about how being a Marine means you have to learn how to stop being human, which is a good thing, because only pussies like Pyle and Joker actually care about things. 
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:Can't even tell you how many of my JROTC "buddies" in high school honestly thought that FMJ was totally about how being a Marine means you have to learn how to stop being human, which is a good thing, because only pussies like Pyle and Joker actually care about things. I worked a summer temp job once right after high school ended with some other guy who had also just graduated. He wasn't going to college because "I don't like school. But the marines will teach me to kill people." I didn't really talk to him much but I bet he would have agreed with those guys.
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When I was a kid watching TV, the bits of that movie that they showed in highlight reels and TV Guide channel commercials made it seem indistinguishable from movies like Commando (Hell yeah, they're blowing stuff up! And it smells like victory! That's cool; I want to be cool like him!), so if your only exposure to it was stuff like that, which cut out all the meditative and unpleasant bits, then yeah, I can see where you'd get the idea.
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Screaming Idiot posted:I wish they didn't exist. I have a bunch of people at my job that completely missed the point of FMJ, and nearly all of them are kids signing up for the military. I was never full-time in the military, I got out in 2003 when my Reserves unit was about to be mobilised to go to the Middle East, but out of all of the guys I keep in contact with who stayed on, and guys who were in the military that I now know, none of them think FMJ is anything except a massively anti-war, anti-military movie about man's inhumanity to man. I had the option to re-sign shortly after we had a training session for dealing with gas attacks. Atropine isn't actually a great deal of fun, and I decided I could probably spend my mid-20s in the better pursuit of drinking beer and driving stupid cars as opposed to getting shot at by people who hated my very existence.
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Memento posted:I was never full-time in the military, I got out in 2003 when my Reserves unit was about to be mobilised to go to the Middle East, but out of all of the guys I keep in contact with who stayed on, and guys who were in the military that I now know, none of them think FMJ is anything except a massively anti-war, anti-military movie about man's inhumanity to man. I hope it didn't sound like I was implying that everyone in the military ends up soul-dead -- I'm just referring to the sort of person that can watch Full Metal Jacket and think, "Yes, war is good, this is a good thing I wish to be a part of, this is a situation I would like to emulate in real life."
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Screaming Idiot posted:I hope it didn't sound like I was implying that everyone in the military ends up soul-dead -- I'm just referring to the sort of person that can watch Full Metal Jacket and think, "Yes, war is good, this is a good thing I wish to be a part of, this is a situation I would like to emulate in real life." Nahh, I didn't get that from your posts at all, don't worry!
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Die Laughing posted:Three hours isn't the norm, and plenty of people have time for three hour movies if they're good. Sorry if it takes away from your impotent message board posting. It's weird how people get all defensive of films. I've got better things to do than spend 3 hours of my life watching gnomes run around. But seriously, maybe I'm just old, but when I got to like 25 I just felt like I'd seen them all, and 6 years later I don't feel any different. 'Oh look, fighting robots', gently caress off. EvilGenius has a new favorite as of 09:13 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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EvilGenius posted:It's weird how people get all defensive of films. I've got better things to do than spend 3 hours of my life watching gnomes run around. It has nothing to do with "defensive". You're allowed to not like the Hobbit people are just saying 3 hours isn't the norm (it isn't), and Peter Jackson didn't create that "Standard", in fact it used to be worse. Gone with the wind and Lawrence of Arabia, two of the most pivotal films in cinema history approach 4 hour runtimes. Most films today are 2 hours, maybe a little over. As for being bored, you have to look outside mainstream cinema. Theatres today are a mess as hollywood tries and confront that streaming is kicking their rear end, and their solution is to just double down and stick to what they feel "works" (And to be fair, whenever they try to do something unique it often bombs unless you can attach a famous actor or director to it). There's still a lot of good, original movies being made but you just have to expend a bit of effort.
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Memento posted:I know what's wrong with them. They're non-existent. Back when I was in high school there was group of students who would gather in their free period for a "film club". They must of watched FMJ like 4 times in one semester, all the while hooting and hollering about how awesome being in the marines is. Best part is they werent even really americans. To contribute, I caught part of an episode of Law and Order, and it reminded me of this tired exchange: ADA: I need to see a list of ________or the name of ________. Accountant: That information is confidential. ADA: What if I get a subpoena? Accountant: Oh no! Here take it! Substitute accountant with whatever profession involves being discrete, but they always roll right over instead of just telling them to get the subpoena or telling them to contact their lawyers. Mister Nobody has a new favorite as of 09:46 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Mister Nobody posted:To contribute, I caught part of an episode of Law and Order, and it reminded me of this tired exchange: Could be worse. CSI:Miami (at least) has instead had: Cop: I need (a piece of personal property) from you because it is evidence. Person: I'm not under arrest. Get a warrant. And until you have one, get out of my house/office/boat. Cop: [takes it by force] Person: [stands up] Hey! You can't do that! Other Cop: [draws down on person who has just had their rights violated] You don't want to do that.
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:Could be worse. CSI:Miami (at least) has instead had: The trope where the cop/DA/Jack Bauer breaks or bends the law to get "results" on the very loving obviously guilty perp (all the accused are guilty) is poison. It's not just irritating to watch it's disgusting to see a supreme court justice cite it as a good reason to torture. Unthinkable even.
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Mister Nobody posted:Substitute accountant with whatever profession involves being discrete, but they always roll right over instead of just telling them to get the subpoena or telling them to contact their lawyers. Something I've seen on Law and Order: SVU that irritates me to no end is when the police try to question someone who is uncooperative but also not a suspect in a crime so they immediately threaten them. Police: I'd like to ask you a few intrusive questions about your sex life. Innocent member of the public: I really don't see that as any of your business. Police: How about we tell your boss about your adult baby fetish, or How about we arrest you now in front of everyone.
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donquixotic posted:Something I've seen on Law and Order: SVU that irritates me to no end is when the police try to question someone who is uncooperative but also not a suspect in a crime so they immediately threaten them. They literally threatened blackmail on one guy after Benson played dominatrix on him. Granted, he was part of the criminal conspiracy if memory serves, but  - taking photos of the guy licking Benson's boots and threatening to make them public?
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