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SRM posted:http://www.ebay.com/itm/400828520743?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Maybe it's actually a real skull and someone's going to get rapped for trafficking human remains.
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quote:I too have been burned by BTP. They painted 40 Witch Elves and a Hydra at lv 3 at the cost of well over 1.5 grand US if one includes import fees and the result was a disaster. a quarter of the models were flat out broken on delivery, pointing to poor packaging, all the legs and the non flesh tone (gloved) arms were just flat black primer, no highlights at all, the gold was one gold colour, again no depth or highlights, the hair was not what I asked for, and the flesh appears to be drybrushed rakarth flesh over brown, giving it an inconsistent, grainy and flat out ugly appearance. Parts of models like the breast, shoulder or an entire hand were left unpainted, meaning left with the dark brown basecoat showing. They also didnt bother to send the command group, or the parts for it despite discussions on how the regiment was to rank up. I asked for the command group and Shawn said he could send it, I specified how I wanted it sent (just primered white). They haven't replied, a week and counting.   Money well spent, obviously.
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Daedleh posted:
I know a lot of tabletop guys are spergs, but why hasn't anyone taken them to court yet? It seems like an open and shut case, and for 1500 it might be worth at least a consolation to see if you can get anything back after lawyer fees.
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I look forward to lawyers dueling over what constitutes a good paint job.
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Pyrolocutus posted:I look forward to lawyers dueling over what constitutes a good paint job. Actually in this case it would be pretty easy considering the numerous other painting studios that exist in the US and how easy it would be to get price quotes and cost estimates. Not to mention it would probably fall along the same lines as any bespoke specialty product, be it a painted miniature or a handmade wood table. If you ordered a custom suit from a professional tailor, and he was like "yeah it will be just as good as and in the same style as this Brooks Brothers suit of similar price" and then you got clothes with exposed stitching and a arm sewn on backwards you'd also be pissed.
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Given their numerous examples online, it would be really hard to demonstrate that BTP sold you a sub-standard job when when their standard is such garbage.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Actually in this case it would be pretty easy considering the numerous other painting studios that exist in the US and how easy it would be to get price quotes and cost estimates. Not to mention it would probably fall along the same lines as any bespoke specialty product, be it a painted miniature or a handmade wood table. If you ordered a custom suit from a professional tailor, and he was like "yeah it will be just as good as and in the same style as this Brooks Brothers suit of similar price" and then you got clothes with exposed stitching and a arm sewn on backwards you'd also be pissed. Oh, I know there's probably actual lines of argument that are reasonable and well-founded, but I still like to imagine a courtroom scene with Golden Daemon winners testifying, brushes and paint pots presented as evidence, and the painter's mother tearfully telling reporters that her son has always been such a good boy and that he'd never do a bad paint job.
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A wizened old artisan hobbles into the witnesses stand, loupe gleaming and whiskers trembling. A tear falls onto his neatly pressed hobby apron, and his fingers, long and fine like a piano player's, grip the railing for support. "It was bad, Your Honour. The models were really lovely for the price."
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Shadeoses posted:A wizened old artisan hobbles into the witnesses stand, loupe gleaming and whiskers trembling. A tear falls onto his neatly pressed hobby apron, and his fingers, long and fine like a piano player's, grip the railing for support. Amazing.
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"I just wanted some elves painted, but instead he showed me his exposed primer!" The guy from that latest BTP gently caress up video claimed he was going to take them to court, but doubt that'll happen. Hopefully going to be some day they'll get some come upins in court if they don't just shut down before that.
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LordAba posted:I know a lot of tabletop guys are spergs, but why hasn't anyone taken them to court yet? It seems like an open and shut case, and for 1500 it might be worth at least a consolation to see if you can get anything back after lawyer fees. I would say honestly that even BTP's worst is about average for what I've seen at my FLGS for painting regardless of system. So it could very well be that quite a few people will look at those pictures and honestly not understand why these people are so mad at BTP.
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LordAba posted:I know a lot of tabletop guys are spergs, but why hasn't anyone taken them to court yet? It seems like an open and shut case, and for 1500 it might be worth at least a consolation to see if you can get anything back after lawyer fees. I was going to say that most of them are probably out of state from wherever BTP is located (Utah I think?), and so probably can't afford to travel there to take them to court. But then I remember that these are mostly guys who spent hundreds if not thousands on their armies before spending a bunch more money to have them mauled by BTP, so maybe they just don't want to go to Utah. 
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Shadeoses posted:A wizened old artisan hobbles into the witnesses stand, loupe gleaming and whiskers trembling. A tear falls onto his neatly pressed hobby apron, and his fingers, long and fine like a piano player's, grip the railing for support. "Show me on the miniature where Blue Table hosed you"
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I was going to say that most of them are probably out of state from wherever BTP is located (Utah I think?), and so probably can't afford to travel there to take them to court. But then I remember that these are mostly guys who spent hundreds if not thousands on their armies before spending a bunch more money to have them mauled by BTP, so maybe they just don't want to go to Utah. Given that the post quoted mentioned import fees, I assume the guy's in a different country. Really probably not worth the effort if so.
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I am still amazed that people don't hire for a handful of test figures before committing thousands of dollars and their whole army. I mean, poo poo. That's like day one internet commerce.
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I would be genuinely unsurprised if they did a better job on single minis. For just that reason.
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HiveCommander posted:
Well, I never really planned on seeing "Wraithknight loving a Riptide" but now I have. Thank you, HiveCommander.
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Apollodorus posted:Well, I never really planned on seeing "Wraithknight loving a Riptide" but now I have. Why would you do something like that? It's one thing to make godawful conversions with a $3 Space Marine, but those two models cost more than $150! Even Titmarines are still usable on some level as play pieces, but Wraithknight loving Riptide is just... words fail me.
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Also, good news everyone! Lockark is starting up a miniature company "catering to fans of anthropomorphic or "furry" characters in miniatures form."quote:apologies to Boggy Man and Stevefamine that you are so disgusted by the idea. But like it or not anthropomorphic charaters and races have always been a part of traditional gaming. The original pigfaced orcs of early D&D to the DragonBorn and Kitsune of latter D&D and pathfinder. He/she is currently taking a market research survey, starting with the thrilling question of "Do you consider yourself part of the furry fandom." a) Yes b) No, But I still have a interest in Anthropomorphic figures for the tabletop http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/628035.page
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Daedleh posted:Also, good news everyone! Lockark is starting up a miniature company "catering to fans of anthropomorphic or "furry" characters in miniatures form." I don't have a problem with "animals as humans" in general, but the furry term just has... negative connotations to it. The negative being you like to gently caress animals. Something like Brushfire / Mousegard / etc is pretty awesome... the old Redwall theme. But Brushfire is about cat Napoleon fighting German hamster berzerkers while Spanish Mousekateers shoot into the whole mess, and isn't creepy. LordAba fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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LordAba posted:I don't have a problem with "animals as humans" in general, but the furry term just has... negative connotations to it. The negative being you like to gently caress animals. The difference is one group are animals with human characteristics (Mouseguard, Redwall, Brer Rabbit etc etc) and the other are humans with animal characteristics. The former has a fine tradition in our cultural norm, the latter is just associated with internet squick. There were some pretty charming Mouseguard-style miniatures that Reaper(?) put out a while back. Cute and absolutely not-creepy whatsoever.
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Z the IVth posted:The difference is one group are animals with human characteristics (Mouseguard, Redwall, Brer Rabbit etc etc) and the other are humans with animal characteristics. The former has a fine tradition in our cultural norm, the latter is just associated with internet squick. http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Boxed%20Sets/sku-down/10033 Oh, they're still there. I almost bought my daughter a set just the other day.
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I got the one with a chainsaw and zombie as a free bonus last Christmas. Need to paint them still, but they're pretty adorable.
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Z the IVth posted:The difference is one group are animals with human characteristics (Mouseguard, Redwall, Brer Rabbit etc etc) and the other are humans with animal characteristics. The former has a fine tradition in our cultural norm, the latter is just associated with internet squick. I love the dark sword critter line, but I don't think that is what they have in mind. http://www.darkswordminiatures.com/shop/index.php/miniatures/visions-in-fantasy-critters.html   
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Got drat If the greater good results in D sized greater goods... I'll throw down my lasrifle and defect
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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:I love the dark sword critter line, but I don't think that is what they have in mind.  Magos Dominus?
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BULBASAUR posted:
Wow these are awesome. Makes me want to come up with some kind of animal themed RPG group like Watership Down and use those minis.
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Anthropomorphic animalistic figures are as old as human mythology, and are not inherently creepy. See: hindu gods, egyptian gods, pagan gods, etc. Humans taking on animalistic characteristics are at least as old as the werewolf myth, and are intended to be creepy, as a form of body horror. The bite of the werewolf is a rape analogy, the taint it infers a (christian?) allegorical condemnation of sex/promotion of virginity as a virtue/etc. "Furry" fandom is the new thing of people wanting to either become animal-like, or have sex with animal-like people. That's creepy, because it's an attempt to normalize bestiality. It's also creepy because it co-opts children's cartoon/live TV show iconography and costuming designs, importing a paedophilia subtext. The worst part of furries and their fandom is the way it corrupts actually-good fantasy/SF works that involve aliens/fantasy races with both human-like and animal-like characteristics. It ought to be OK to want to play a Watership Down-inspired RPG, but you can't do it any more without someone probably assuming you're a furry who wants to gently caress rabbits or something.
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LordAba posted:I don't have a problem with "animals as humans" in general, but the furry term just has... negative connotations to it. The negative being you like to gently caress animals. Leperflesh posted:"Furry" fandom is the new thing of people wanting to either become animal-like, or have sex with animal-like people. That's creepy, because it's an attempt to normalize bestiality. It's also creepy because it co-opts children's cartoon/live TV show iconography and costuming designs, importing a paedophilia subtext. Typical internet though; if it exists, some creepy fucker will find it arousing enough to turn it into porn because that's the kind of place the internet can be. As Leperfish says, it also ruins a lot of classic-themed RPG races. Having to think "if I play as a Kitsune or a Tengu in this campaign, will someone wrongly assume I'm a furry?" before making your character really puts a downer on it, especially if you find playing Human characters generic and bland (Never not be a Dwarf  ). It also fucks with people's perceptions of cosplay too, one of my previous housemates was under the impression that cat ears=furry, not being able to comprehend the difference between someone putting on ears and a tail for a costume and some creepy fucker asking their partner to wear the wolf suit to bed.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:Best of the Worst: Psychology and Sociology Unspiration That head looks a lot better than the entire rest of the model, ha
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Small Frozen Thing posted:Best of the Worst: Psychology and Sociology Unspiration
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 While I have not seen enough tits to have an unbreakable argument, I still think that's not how they exactly look. Also, I don't think Death Cult Assassins (let's not kid ourselves here) go into battle boobs a flappin'. On a redeeming note about this company, this is basically their only questionable model and they're also producing a line of Orc Necromancers. Orc. Necromancers.
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Breast Cult Assassins aside, there's some pretty cool stuff on their site. Orcs is made fer' summonin'
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Not a viking posted:
Other than the face slit, Tau aren't really sexually dimorphic, despite what google image search might tell you. Bonus points for the torsos not working because the tits get in the way of the gun?
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