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Wendell posted:I see what you are saying, Yvon. I'm OK with it because Copiel is a good artist, and whoever drew the first one drew a bigheaded midget with bolt-on breasts.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I'm OK with it because Copiel is a good artist, and whoever drew the first one drew a bigheaded midget with bolt-on breasts. THANK YOU, that first spider girl one always looks weird as gently caress whenever i see it
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Dec 22, 2014 10:56
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It's because most of the art on Spider-Girl is terrible. Coipel is actually doing a good job with Spider-Verse which amounts to a lot of draw Peter Parker with different haircuts and make sure they look the same but are distinctively different characters.
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Dec 22, 2014 11:09
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SirDan3k posted:That's actually what current Supergirl's costume is said to be but it'll always be drawn as flesh not flesh-tone tights so there's no point to it but as lip service. In one of the early issues a villain has stolen her costume and is using machinery to test its tensile strength. Tights are not included.
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Dec 22, 2014 14:11
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Alouicious posted:THANK YOU, that first spider girl one always looks weird as gently caress whenever i see it This is why I ride for Manara, sure it's cheesecake but when you have people comparing like, Michael Turner's bullshit to his, I'm just like seriously get your eyes checked. At least one of those two guys knows enough rules about anatomy to break them. So what if Copiel drew her with bigger breasts? At least he knows what breasts look like. Horrible? Lazy? This is phenomenal. This looks a million times better than the garbage you're praising. It might not be a particularly imaginative design but those sketches have character.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Speaking of horrible, lazy costumes, here's another one for Spider-Girl! But before you ask, it's not Mayday Parker, this is...actually, it's not really very clear. She showed up in a crowd scene an anti-drug PSA comic alongside the 616 heroes including Spider-Man one time (complete with caption saying who she was) and was never seen again. She was apparently created for licensing purposes.
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Dec 22, 2014 16:12
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Horrible? Lazy? This is phenomenal. This looks a million times better than the garbage you're praising. It might not be a particularly imaginative design but those sketches have character. I like them too. Is the artist Terry Dodson, by any chance?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:This is why I ride for Manara, sure it's cheesecake but when you have people comparing like, Michael Turner's bullshit to his, I'm just like seriously get your eyes checked. At least one of those two guys knows enough rules about anatomy to break them. So what if Copiel drew her with bigger breasts? At least he knows what breasts look like. Actually they discussed the exact same sort of thing in the BSS chat thread, and Lurdiak pretty much sums it up rather well: Lurdiak posted:Oh yeah sorry, I misread you. Edit: Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I like them too. Is the artist Terry Dodson, by any chance? I believe it is. I like the art but the costume design is painfully generic. Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Dec 22, 2014 |
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Dec 22, 2014 16:33
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Ms. Marvel has a costume based on a swimsuit and it's nowhere near sexy/sexual/titillating/<insert provocative adjective of choice here>. Now that's mindboggling.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I believe it is. I like the art but the costume design is painfully generic. I'd be with you on this except for the fact that the original design is no great shakes to begin with. At least sneakers and spider-culottes and having her hair out are at least choices beyond, "eh gently caress it make it look more like a wetsuit".
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Yvonmukluk posted:I'm not denying they're well-drawn, but the costume itself is rather dull in my opinion. The entire point I was initially making (and I believe fosbourne was making in his post about Spider-Woman, although I don't presume to speak for him-that's just what I got out of it) is that it's difficult to separate the costume in and of itself from how artists interpret it. I don't know, I said in that thread too, the idea that this generation of comic artists are notably more perverted than previous ones seems completely laughable to me.
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It is when you have the likes of Wally Wood who created Daredevil's red costume, Power Girls costume, the infamous Disney spread as well as various porn comics existed years ago. And that's the tip of the iceberg. It's not a generational thing.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I'm not denying they're well-drawn, but the costume itself is rather dull in my opinion. The entire point I was initially making (and I believe fosbourne was making in his post about Spider-Woman, although I don't presume to speak for him-that's just what I got out of it) is that it's difficult to separate the costume in and of itself from how artists interpret it. Yeah, that was my original point regarding Spider-woman. The way she is typically drawn indicates both that the costume is made out of something like latex and that she's wearing no support (and has humongous boobs paradoxically sometimes only when in the costume). If you take the same costume and made it behave more like spandex or neoprene or something practical, and then you gave her a practical sports bra underneath the thing (depending on how compressing the suit itself is), and finally if she had more of an athletic figure like one would expect of someone always jumping around and such, then it would all probably look "fine". "Fine" in the sense that we're still suspending some disbelief by having them dress like a brightly colored clown, but now in more practical Under Armor and at least it's fair with respect to genders. Re: the Spider-girl costume, I'm not too fond of either of the looks but the Coipel drawing is a bit worse for this particular argument just because it's clear she isn't wearing a bra or any kind of support and would absolutely need one to keep her boobs from flopping around while she's doing acrobatics.  To simulate this if you are a guy, take off your pants and underwear and just start doing cartwheels and poo poo*. The original look is still a little too form fitting and provocative for my tastes. I think it should be about as form-revealing as the cinematic Spider-man costumes (or like, yoga gear) which are clearly a thicker and less adhesive material.As an aside, Dark_Tzitmine is furiously beating off to this thread right now * I am making assumptions here on behalf of boob-havers and am by no means authoritative. I have done judo with and without compression shorts though
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Wendell posted:In one of the early issues a villain has stolen her costume and is using machinery to test its tensile strength. Tights are not included. Are you implying it's some PR bullshit they put out after people complained? Why that's as absurd as them not knowing who was or wasn't a Robin.
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Kamala's Ms. Marvel is a great costume.
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Skwirl posted:I don't know, I said in that thread too, the idea that this generation of comic artists are notably more perverted than previous ones seems completely laughable to me. Man don't be so obtuse. I get that it's fun to purposefully misunderstand what I post so you can dismiss it, but you can't compare what Dan Decarlo drew in Archie comics to Greg Horn's Catwoman cover, even though Dan drew pinups like nobody's business in his spare time. Say Nothing posted:Kamala's Ms. Marvel is a great costume. Hell yeah it is.
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Bomber jacket, t-shirt and scarf Superman. Complete with extended alternates! I've been looking for a larger version of this, but I'm not sure one exists.
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I kinda feel like Shazam could pull off that look better than Superman, but I can't really explain why.
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A kid (Billy Batson aka Captain Marvel) deciding his favorite shirt, his dad's bomber jacket, and a scarf is a sufficient costume is more palatable than an adult (Clark Kent aka Superman) with a job at a newspaper who should know better deciding the same thing.
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Lurdiak posted:I kinda feel like Shazam could pull off that look better than Superman, but I can't really explain why. Most of Captain Marvel's costume flourishes were inspired by the getups of British nobility and military dress uniforms of the time, so trading one wartime material source for another would make sense.
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Lurdiak posted:Man don't be so obtuse. I get that it's fun to purposefully misunderstand what I post so you can dismiss it, but you can't compare what Dan Decarlo drew in Archie comics to Greg Horn's Catwoman cover, even though Dan drew pinups like nobody's business in his spare time. Yeah, but pinup style art in mainstream superhero books dates back to the 80's, at the latest.
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Inkspot posted:A kid deciding his favorite shirt, his dad's bomber jacket, and a scarf is a sufficient costume is more palatable than an adult with a job at a newspaper who should know better deciding the same thing. It's fun to be willfully obtuse and ignore historical context isn't it? I mean I agree with what you're saying, but come the gently caress on.
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mind the walrus posted:It's fun to be willfully obtuse and ignore historical context isn't it? I mean I agree with what you're saying, but come the gently caress on. Yes, Superman's original costume was based on depression era pro-wrestlers and circus strongmen, but every modern origin for him bends over backwards to make it be his Kryptonian legacy (which I think seriously hurts Superman as a character, because it distances him from his origin as the perfect everyman). Combining the two is confusing. My second favorite Superman outfit (the classic is my favorite, I miss the red underpants) was the Superman t-shirt with jeans that was used in Morrisons run at the very beginning of Nu52 Action comics. (I like the bomber jacket art, but it doesn't fit the character). Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Well, yeah. That's because at least half of all Superman writers get way too hung up on the fact that Superman has an alien backstory.
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mind the walrus posted:It's fun to be willfully obtuse and ignore historical context isn't it? I mean I agree with what you're saying, but come the gently caress on. So my opinion about that particular design being better suited for Captain Marvel than Superman is wrong? Please do enlighten me. After that, maybe we can discuss whether milk or piss is better on cereal. I expect you'll be using first hand experience to support your argument.
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Inkspot posted:So my opinion about that particular design being better suited for Captain Marvel than Superman is wrong? Please do enlighten me. Calm down I wasn't insulting your first born or taste in cock. In fact I misread what you were saying because you can't construct a sentence for poo poo, which was made funnier since Skwirl seems to have misread you in the exact same way. Your post seriously read like your use of the word "kid" was referring to the artist of the Bomber Superman Jacket look while you were simultaneously insulting the fictional character of Clark Kent for having a bad sense of fashion, which aside from being a hilariously stupid false equivalency also ignores the fact that Superman's outfit--as we commonly know it--was designed and refined in the 30s and 40s when he was exclusively a character for children with an eye towards emulating circus strongmen and wrestlers. There now that that's all cleared up we can get back to more important poo poo like what the gently caress Supergirl's crotch plate is supposed to be.
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mind the walrus posted:There now that that's all cleared up we can get back to more important poo poo like what the gently caress Supergirl's crotch plate is supposed to be. Well remember the part in Watchmen where Nite Owl talked about having to redesign his costume to make it easier to go to the bathroom? Supergirl will never have to do that.
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Billy Batson. You know. A kid. The giant, red crotch plate is to prevent extra embarrasment during that time of the month by being an embarrasment all of the time instead.
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Taking inspiration from strongmen and wrestlers worked because the whole deal of the strongmen was performing amazing athletic feats - and Superman was, essentially, the advanced class of that, "leaping tall buildings in a single bound". Of course, there were wing walkers, but, conceptually, they are less about the raw display of power and more about surviving through their agility and the pilot instincts. The cult of the flying aces, with their jackets and scarfs, relies on the spirit of adventure, on the globetrotting aspect. Ultimately, on the escape from the depression-ravaged home, not on making things right where you live. So, a bad costume for the classic Superman, a good one for the Elseworld where he is helping people all over the world while sipping rum with Corto Maltese and Steve Canyon. fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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mind the walrus posted:Calm down I wasn't insulting your first born or taste in cock. In fact I misread what you were saying because you can't construct a sentence for poo poo, which was made funnier since Skwirl seems to have misread you in the exact same way. Jesus Christ you're salty for no reason
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fatherboxx posted:, a good one for the Elseworld where he is helping people all over the world while sipping rum with Corto Maltese and Steve Canyon. Is this real? I don't really care for Superman based stories, but this sounds wonderful.
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Soonmot posted:Is this real? I don't really care for Superman based stories, but this sounds wonderful. No, I just made that up by analyzing the costume. Would love to see JLA rising in something like the Porco Rosso pilot brotherhood.
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fatherboxx posted:No, I just made that up by analyzing the costume. So, Justice Riders meets Blackhawks? I like the cut of your jib.
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SirDan3k posted:Well remember the part in Watchmen where Nite Owl talked about having to redesign his costume to make it easier to go to the bathroom? Supergirl will never have to do that. I don't know how connected the crotch plate is to the rest of the costume, but hilariously Supergirl's costume would make more sense if some of her stomach was naked too. That's actually a halfway decent argument for the semi-standard teen girl 2 piece costume, (Midriff baring top and either a very short skirt or tights). Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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The thing I don't like about that bomber jacket design is that he has his symbol on the jacket and then again on the shirt. Seems kind of redundant.
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muscles like this? posted:The thing I don't like about that bomber jacket design is that he has his symbol on the jacket and then again on the shirt. Seems kind of redundant. It's so when he takes the jacket off because THIS. ENDS. NOW. he still has the logo on him.
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Aphrodite posted:It's so when he takes the jacket off because THIS. ENDS. NOW. he still has the logo on him. I once saw this broad shouldered guy in one of those bomber jackets take it off and he had the skinniest arms I'd ever seen. Now the image of Superman being all "This ends now" and taking off his jacket to reveal two twig like arms is stuck in my head.
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SirDan3k posted:I once saw this broad shouldered guy in one of those bomber jackets take it off and he had the skinniest arms I'd ever seen. Now the image of Superman being all "This ends now" and taking off his jacket to reveal two twig like arms is stuck in my head. "Hi, I'm Clark Kent." "And I'm Skinny-Arms Superman..."
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Wonder Woman's costume always bugged me, without going down the rabbit hole of ''people should wear whatever they want free from persecution or judgment,'' and of course the fact that she's a fictional character. I like this redesign 
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