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Somaen posted:http://kommersant.ru/doc/2639259 Also there likely is going to be a deflationary effect from very high interest rates, if you are still holding rubles, it makes more sense to sit on them than to risk them otherwise which is going to sap domestic investment. However, in the longer term, it does increasingly look like China will continue to back Putin for the time being and isn't interested in regime change in Moscow. Their currency swaps may be the only reliable way Russia is going to get financing at this point but it is a way out for them.
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It speaks to how stupid the whole Russian intervention is if it's taken this long for the country you've invaded to throw in with NATO. Ukrainian politics were consistently swinging between being pro EU and pro Russian, but for some reason on the last pro-EU swing Russia said "gently caress it, we're hosed forever, grab what we can!!" Clearly Russia was not hosed forever with Ukraine, then. Now however, they've set Ukraine's course.
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SaltyJesus posted:Some time ago I floated the idea of having a separate Eastern Europe thread and making this the Russia/Ukraine one since that's what it effectively already is.
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Dec 23, 2014 18:53
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Warbadger posted:So far the only countries not either invaded to break off some choice bits or declared not-a-real-country seem to be those strongly aligned with NATO. Could it possibly be that Russia has not been entirely honest about their motivations and intentions?? Dusty Baker 2 posted:Maybe they should stop provoking their neighbors to flee to NATO, then.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Sorry, but the Eastern Europe thread belongs to Russia's sphere of influence. That's OK, us Yugos don't recognize Russia's authority anyway. 
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Dec 23, 2014 18:58
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Lichtenstein posted:Depends. Are we allowed to post Warraha songs? More like required to post Warraha songs. 
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Dec 23, 2014 18:58
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I'm OK with non-Russian Eastern Europe thread. Most posts really do get drowned by the ongoing conflict.
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Dec 23, 2014 19:06
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People who want separate R/U and EE threads - are there grievances with this thread, other than necessity to scroll through numerous R/U posts in order to find non-R/U posts?
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Dec 23, 2014 19:06
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kalstrams posted:People who want separate R/U and EE threads - are there grievances with this thread, other than necessity to scroll through numerous R/U posts in order to find non-R/U posts? So where do Belarus, Azerbaijan and Uzbekistan get placed?
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Dec 23, 2014 19:10
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Swan Oat posted:Duma drafting law that would nullify the Soviet-era transfer of Crimea to Ukraine. This is some extremely good poo poo. Oh boy, I don't believe they'd actually want to touch that poo poo. What's going to be next? Vitebsk and Gomel Regions were illegally transferred to Belarus in 1934 and should be returned to Russia? Kazakhstan was illegally separated from Russia and elevated to full republic status in 1936? The Karelo-Finish Republic was illegally re-incorporated into the Russian Federal Republic and should be an independent country? Russian annexation of Crimea was illegal because if flagrantly broke Article 2 of the 1997 signed and ratified treaty of friendship between Russia and Ukraine?
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Dec 23, 2014 19:14
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Ardennes posted:So where do Belarus, Azerbaijan and Uzbekistan get placed?
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Dec 23, 2014 19:15
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The amount of posts by MGiF, Teddy, and the rest of the asylum crew doesn't help. Some days this thread is just unreadable, especially when obviously non-EE posters on both sides of the debate deign to explain why we should just really <<insert chauvinistic oversimplification here>>.
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Dec 23, 2014 19:17
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eigenstate posted:Oh boy, I don't believe they'd actually want to touch that poo poo. What's going to be next? So does this set a precedent that all decisions of the USSR were illegal?
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Dec 23, 2014 19:20
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SaltyJesus posted:The amount of posts by MGiF, Teddy, and the rest of the asylum crew doesn't help. Some days this thread is just unreadable, especially when obviously non-EE posters on both sides of the debate deign to explain why we should just really <<insert chauvinistic oversimplification here>>. We should really supply Ukraine with more lethal aid, training, coordination, and anti-missile support in order to stop this trend of horrific Russian aggression.
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Dec 23, 2014 19:23
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^^^ lol I'm not disinterested in the R/U conflict either, I just prefer to listen because there are massively more knowledgeable goons than me here. I don't have much to contribute on R/U but I like learning. I just think there should be two places for two dissimilar discussions. R/U is obviously insanely topical and it draws the most comments. It's not that dissimilar with having a Middle East thread and a separate Israel/Palestine thread. My first proposal was actually to separate the political and apolitical parts of the thread. Keep political stuff here, move the languagechat and culturechat to an Ask/Tell thread called "Ask us about being Eastern European" or something like that. SaltyJesus fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Dec 23, 2014 19:25
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SaltyJesus posted:I'm not disinterested in the R/U conflict either. I just thing there should be two places for two dissimilar discussions. R/U is obviously insanely topical and it draws the most comments. It's not that dissimilar with having a Middle East thread and a separate Israel/Palestine thread. Separating languagechat/culturechat from politics in Eastern Europe, of all places, doesn't sound like it would work out all that easily.
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Dec 23, 2014 19:27
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Nah, keep it simple. Make a separate Ukraine Russia conflict thread and leave this thread as it is.
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Dec 23, 2014 19:27
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Guildencrantz posted:Separating languagechat/culturechat from politics in Eastern Europe, of all places, doesn't sound like it would work out all that easily. Yeah, I realized that. I was thinking about a thread rule along the lines of "feel free to ask about politics but leave chauvinism at the door". Also, I forgot to say. Russian and Ukrainian stories wouldn't be unwelcome in the EE thread, it'd just be general stuff as opposed to the current conflict. E: Perhaps I phrased my suggestion poorly. I never meant to have separate threads for a) Russia & Ukraine b) everywhere else. The "R/U thread" I mention would be specifically about the conflict and the "EE thread" would be about everything else EE-including-Russia-and-Ukraine related. SaltyJesus fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Dec 23, 2014 19:29
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Cingulate posted:"They started it, my hands are clean" isn't really how I hope geopolitics is done. Nah, there's much more "Well you've done it too!" involved 
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Dec 23, 2014 19:33
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:So does this set a precedent that all decisions of the USSR were illegal? I'm no international law expert, but I don't think this would strengthen Soviet legitimacy. And since Russia is the legal successor to the USSR, if the Duma gets too excited with treaty revisionism, they could end up accidentally de-legitimizing themselves. Which is why I doubt this bill will pass.
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Dec 23, 2014 19:38
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eigenstate posted:I'm no international law expert, but I don't think this would strengthen Soviet legitimacy. And since Russia is the legal successor to the USSR, if the Duma gets too excited with treaty revisionism, they could end up accidentally de-legitimizing themselves. Which is why I doubt this bill will pass. I don't think the Duma cares very much about their perceived legitimacy.
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Dec 23, 2014 19:39
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Give everything back to the Golden Horde.
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Dec 23, 2014 19:40
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Look, just admit that most of Europe remains the property of Rome and it's about drat time Italy starts taking back its rightful land.
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Dec 23, 2014 19:49
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I don't think this thread moves fast enough to warrant the separation, but that's me. Also, Teddy is MIA, so the shitposting is way down, and no radical developments means there is space to talk about things that are not The Great Game bullshit. Effortposts about EastEU politics are wonderful and educational, thanks to all who contribute.
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Dec 23, 2014 19:50
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Give everything back to the Golden Horde. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2nIeV7YnapA Dear Batska has made this very point
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fatherboxx posted:I don't think this thread moves fast enough to warrant the separation, but that's me. Also, Teddy is MIA, so the shitposting is way down, and no radical developments means there is space to talk about things that are not The Great Game bullshit. Seriously, I don't think we need another three-page thread that will fall off the first page in a week.
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Dec 23, 2014 20:03
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Guildencrantz posted:More like required to post Warraha songs. If you give some early notice on when the thread will go up, I'd make an honest to God big effortpost about Kelthuz, Korwin-Mikke and the rest of the (quite literal) clown car.
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Dec 23, 2014 20:16
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Lichtenstein posted:Korwin-Mikke wiki article posted:Janusz Korwin-Mikke's economic views are radically liberal, in the classical sense of the word [...] He frequently refers to such figures as Frédéric Bastiat, Alexis de Tocqueville, Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman and Margaret Thatcher. Korwin-Mikke is a self-declared monarchist 
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Dec 23, 2014 20:27
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So how popular is that guy?
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Phlegmish posted:Seriously, I don't think we need another three-page thread that will fall off the first page in a week. Such is life. We will also stop spamming map thread with balkanchat no we won't
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He sounds like lots of fun.
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Baronjutter posted:So how popular is that guy?  Seriously though, you guys have no idea how far the rabbit hole goes. I'd hesitate to spoil things now, because this man truly deserves a proper effortpost. Ah, screw it, I'll leave a teaser: he claims to have invented sliding tackle.
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Holy poo poo, I just realized he's a Polish Holocaust denier.Lichtenstein posted:he claims to have invented sliding tackle. 
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How the gently caress is he both a 'radical liberal' and a monarchist. He sounds like one of those suburban Internet teenagers trying to come up with a cool, unique political persona, except it's an actual politician.
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Dec 23, 2014 20:45
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Phlegmish posted:How the gently caress is he both a 'radical liberal' and a monarchist. He sounds like one of those suburban Internet teenagers trying to come up with a cool, unique political persona, except it's an actual politician.
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Dec 23, 2014 20:52
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Forgall posted:You can't trust filthy masses to not distort The Market, so you need a king. Basically he is a fringe reactionary wants to really really roll back the clock a few hundred years (that said, he might also have a problem with the commonwealth as well considering...).
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Dec 23, 2014 20:53
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Phlegmish posted:How the gently caress is he both a 'radical liberal' and a monarchist. He sounds like one of those suburban Internet teenagers trying to come up with a cool, unique political persona, except it's an actual politician. It's like Russia's Stalin-worshipping neo-Tsarist Nazis.
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Dec 23, 2014 20:55
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Ardennes posted:Basically he is a fringe reactionary wants to really really roll back the clock a few hundred years (that said, he might also have a problem with the commonwealth as well considering...). So Partitions of Poland few hundred years?
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Dec 23, 2014 20:56
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Phlegmish posted:How the gently caress is he both a 'radical liberal' and a monarchist. He sounds like one of those suburban Internet teenagers trying to come up with a cool, unique political persona, except it's an actual politician. Some libertarians actually claim to be both, including infamous Hans Hermann Hoppe. They mostly do this by carefully reinterpreting the concept of liberty until it really means "property rights".
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:So Partitions of Poland few hundred years? I assume well before that, he might still have a problem with lower level szlachta having too many rights.
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