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It begins: http://jalopnik.com/first-hellcat-sold-in-colorado-wrecked-an-hour-after-pu-1673994344
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Widely-available Hellcat drivetrains from rear-end destroyed cars thanks to hilarious oversteer? 
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Dec 22, 2014 18:19
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Someone more enterprising than me needs to print up some Save The Hellcats t-shirts. You'll probably make enough $$ to buy a Hellcat of your own to wrap around a tree.
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Dec 22, 2014 20:57
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blk posted:Back to the thread, here's the press release for the new CTS-V. I guess it's automatic only? Wow I think this is the quickest Ive gone from really excited to really disappointed on new car news 
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Dec 22, 2014 21:28
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blk posted:It begins: http://jalopnik.com/first-hellcat-sold-in-colorado-wrecked-an-hour-after-pu-1673994344 Police say what can only be described as a large milkshake cup was seen fleeing the scene.
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Dec 22, 2014 22:43
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Franco Caution posted:Wow I think this is the quickest Ive gone from really excited to really disappointed on new car news Everyone is moving away from manual transmissions, it shouldn't be a surprise any more. I honestly prefer a good auto transmission with a set of flappy paddles.
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Dec 22, 2014 23:16
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GT350 is stick only. 
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Dec 23, 2014 00:27
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El Scotch posted:GT350 is stick only. so is the FiST, FoST, and ecoboost fiesta. It's a shame ford won't nut up and put a stick in the f-150.
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Dec 23, 2014 00:58
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Looks really good: 
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Dec 23, 2014 01:13
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Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr3VKRRdv8I
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Dec 23, 2014 01:21
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God drat GM why won't you put a manual transmission in this 640hp $80k large sedan that will be purchased by middle age guys? And why can't I get a manual in a 4x4 truck, slipping the clutch while trying to get up a boat ramp or tow a heavy trailer adds to the purity of the driving experience!
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Dec 23, 2014 02:17
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Wheeee posted:And why can't I get a manual in a 4x4 truck, slipping the clutch while trying to get up a boat ramp or tow a heavy trailer adds to the purity of the driving experience! I mean you have a valid point, but a lot of the time I see that request it's in the context of discussing how (2WD) pickups can be had with a powerful V8 and a not excessive amount of weight for under $25k, and if they had a manual option they would make a fantastic poor man's muscle car, or base for someone who wanted to build a drag car on the cheap. Then again, that would probably undercut the market for the actual muscle cars to some extent. E: That is to say, the people clamoring for manual pickups aren't envisioning using them for traditional "truck things".
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Dec 23, 2014 02:27
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I get it but dang I feel like including the manual was kind of a differentiation from the Mercedes and bmws. Like that first gen v felt a lot edgier and younger than the Ms and AMGs of the time. It had the manual that lopy idle, a little tighter ride the NA v8 and that stealth / diamond shard look. The next two gens are objectively better cars but they've lost something.
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Dec 23, 2014 02:29
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Fucknag posted:I mean you have a valid point, but a lot of the time I see that request it's in the context of discussing how (2WD) pickups can be had with a powerful V8 and a not excessive amount of weight for under $25k, and if they had a manual option they would make a fantastic poor man's muscle car, or base for someone who wanted to build a drag car on the cheap. The auto is a better base for a drag truck. There's basically zero reason whatsoever to have a manual full size truck, other than internet complaining.
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Dec 23, 2014 04:51
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A manual truck usually loses a clutch from abuse, an auto is an expensive repair. Also, auto's are boring as gently caress to drive.
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Dec 23, 2014 05:00
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iwentdoodie posted:The auto is a better base for a drag truck. The biggest reason is pretty much every 4 speed auto in a half tun up until now has been a stupid, slow lump. Even worse is current half tons always seem to be in a race to the highest gear. Some of them it's a 10 second argument to get them back down into the gear you want. It's worse when you're towing even a small trailer in 6th, hit a small hill or hit the throttle for a quick pass, it bang, you're near redline in 3rd and the truck starts searching for 4th. Even in "manual" mode, most of them jump from 6th to 3rd when you ask anything of them. With my dodge, even towing 12,000lbs on the highway with only 245hp/505 ft/lbs rarely had the need to leave 6th, and even with truck and trailer sunk up to the runningboards in snow never had a problem getting the wheels turning. Back in those days, the only transmission that came behind the high output cummins was a 6 speed. Now you get the lowest spec engine with the stick. Wheeee posted:God drat GM why won't you put a manual transmission in this 640hp $80k large sedan that will be purchased by middle age guys? The words of a man who's never put a truck to work.
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Dec 23, 2014 05:16
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iwentdoodie posted:The auto is a better base for a drag truck. "Because I want what I prefer"
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Wheeee posted:God drat GM why won't you put a manual transmission in this 640hp $80k large sedan that will be purchased by middle age guys? The big reason to not have manuals at all in these cars is because they're not a popular choice, and having fewer choices makes design, engineering, and industrialized manufacturing cheaper: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/03/avoidable-contact-airbags-killed-the-am-radio-star/ quote:In a world where most of the “little parts” are made by (supposedly) faceless people toiling at faceless suppliers, assembly time has become the Holy Grail of auto manufacturers. There was a time when it took days for a car to travel from one end of the massive River Rouge plant to the other; today it takes Ford thirteen hours to build a Fiesta. There are hundreds of assembly steps required to build that Fiesta, so you can be assured that each one has been massaged into near-perfection. If it takes an extra thirty seconds to determine which radio should go into a slot, it might be cheaper to give everybody the “better” radio and standardize production, particularly when the “better” radio barely costs any more than the “regular” one. These kinds of decisions are made all the way up and down the line, with the end result being that no car sold in this country today comes with a plain AM radio. What’s the point? Your Chinese radio manufacturer couldn’t save you more than a dollar or two, perhaps less, by pulling the FM functionality out of the radio, and your assembly time might go up as a result. And just like that, the AM radio is gone, as dead as the non-prismatic rearview mirror or the fixed-back bench seat.
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Dec 23, 2014 17:23
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I'm still curious about the 2015 Focus with the 1.0 Liter Eco-Boost engine that is going to be manual-only. Is there really a market for that car in the US?
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Dec 23, 2014 17:36
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smackfu posted:I'm still curious about the 2015 Focus with the 1.0 Liter Eco-Boost engine that is going to be manual-only. Is there really a market for that car in the US? Nope, Ford is going to hold this up as an example that Americans don't care about fuel economy.
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Dec 23, 2014 17:44
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Twerk from Home posted:Nope, Ford is going to hold this up as an example that Americans don't care about fuel economy. Gas is under $2 a gallon now, and therefore will be forever. Time to bring back the V10 excursion.
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Dec 23, 2014 18:28
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Powershift posted:Gas is under $2 a gallon now, and therefore will be forever. Time to bring back the V10 excursion. Where is gas under $2?
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Dec 23, 2014 18:36
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PCOS Bill posted:Where is gas under $2? Much of middle america.
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Dec 23, 2014 18:38
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Cage posted:http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx Figures I'm in a third highest bracket area. Oh well, it's warm enough I've been riding my motorcycle 3 out of 4 days anyhow
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Dec 23, 2014 18:43
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PCOS Bill posted:Figures I'm in a third highest bracket area. Oh well, it's warm enough I've been riding my motorcycle 3 out of 4 days anyhow ok, then maybe you should just the v8.
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Dec 23, 2014 18:45
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PCOS Bill posted:Figures I'm in a third highest bracket area. Oh well, it's warm enough I've been riding my motorcycle 3 out of 4 days anyhow Buffalo. 
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Dec 23, 2014 19:33
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KillHour posted:Buffalo. Hey, gas may be super expensive, but at least the weather is nice  Gas here in alberta is the equivalent of about $2.41 US/gallon, which is pretty crazy for canada. It completely validates my life choices of owning a bunch of stuff that's really good at destroying a lot of gas really quickly
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Dec 23, 2014 19:54
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Powershift posted:Hey, gas may be super expensive, but at least the weather is nice I hit the jackpot buying low on a massive v8 gas guzzling SUV last month, right before the dollar and gas tanked in Canada.
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D C posted:I hit the jackpot buying low on a massive v8 gas guzzling SUV last month, right before the dollar and gas tanked in Canada. My last 3 vehicles combined total 19.2 liters, 24 cylinders and a turbo, and cost $4,000 total. Unfortunately, one is a diesel, and that's still $1.10
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KillHour posted:Buffalo.
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Cage posted:http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx Diesel is still almost $3 a gallon though
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KillHour posted:Buffalo. Snowmobile?
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MrYenko posted:Snowmobile?
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smackfu posted:I'm still curious about the 2015 Focus with the 1.0 Liter Eco-Boost engine that is going to be manual-only. Is there really a market for that car in the US? Dealers that want people in the door for a cheap car and can upsell them to a more profitable model.
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fknlo posted:Diesel is still almost $3 a gallon though I thought Diesel prices are slower to change compared to gasoline prices. I remember whenever gas shot up in price it took weeks for diesel to follow and vice versa.
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Dec 23, 2014 23:46
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Isn't diesel pricing in the US affected by winter demand fluctuations for heating oil, though?
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Cocoa Crispies posted:Dealers that want people in the door for a cheap car and can upsell them to a more profitable model. The 1.0 EB isn't the cheap model, it's mid-pack priced out of the various Fiesta trims. And actually has fewer options than the other mid-trim models. You're paying more money to get a (more powerful, more efficient) 3 cylinder engine and a stick vs. the four pot and automatic on the base trim Fiesta.
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HotCanadianChick posted:The 1.0 EB isn't the cheap model, it's mid-pack priced out of the various Fiesta trims. And actually has fewer options than the other mid-trim models. You're paying more money to get a (more powerful, more efficient) 3 cylinder engine and a stick vs. the four pot and automatic on the base trim Fiesta. I wonder if there's Ford Racing flashes for the 1.0 engine, ha! The Focus ST can gain 90 ft-lbs from a flash that won't lose warranty. Good luck with 360 torques in a FWD car, though. http://blog.caranddriver.com/the-boost-is-on-ford-racing-offering-ecoboost-reflashes-that-wont-kill-your-warranty/
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A lot of dynos/reviewers suggest the 2.3 runs out of turbo at the higher end. I wonder if that's a product of turbo size or a super conservative tune.
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Powershift posted:A lot of dynos/reviewers suggest the 2.3 runs out of turbo at the higher end. I wonder if that's a product of turbo size or a super conservative tune. Probably turbo size, all the EB engines (including the V6) run super-small turbos so they spool fast for low-end torque. Fantastic for every day drivability, but leaves a lot on the table in terms of top end.
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