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Yvonmukluk posted:I keep trying to get into Hickman's Avengers, but I just find everyone involved too unlikeable. Why should I care about any of these people? They're just being petty assholes instead of addressing the real problem. Plus the whole 'Illuminati blew up a planet after murdering its superheroes who were looking for another way'. Still having trouble getting over that. I mean it's a well-told story, but I just can't muster up the energy to care.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I keep trying to get into Hickman's Avengers, but I just find everyone involved too unlikeable. Why should I care about any of these people? They're just being petty assholes instead of addressing the real problem. Plus the whole 'Illuminati blew up a planet after murdering its superheroes who were looking for another way'. Still having trouble getting over that. I mean it's a well-told story, but I just can't muster up the energy to care. How dare you sir. Aw man beaten. 
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Dec 24, 2014 21:57
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Yvonmukluk posted:I keep trying to get into Hickman's Avengers, but I just find everyone involved too unlikeable. Why should I care about any of these people? They're just being petty assholes instead of addressing the real problem. Plus the whole 'Illuminati blew up a planet after murdering its superheroes who were looking for another way'. Still having trouble getting over that. I mean it's a well-told story, but I just can't muster up the energy to care. Yeah I'm not sure I can take another issue of Reed and Sunspot being condescending to Cap because he's old and out of touch! Next thing you know Sunspot's gonna be rambling about Cap not being on Facebook or whatever.
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Dec 24, 2014 22:18
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He's out of touch with the stakes and what they're doing because he's being too proud for his own good, not because he's old or whatever. Although I admit I find the whole Cap thing a bit sloppy and kinda meaningless, but this issue was amusing enough. The time traveling Cap crap bored the poo poo out of me, though, so I guess it could just be residual.
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Dec 24, 2014 23:05
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I liked that this issue was kind of a piss take on Millar's Ultimates, from skydiving Hulks to morally questionable S.H.I.E.L.D directors to everyone wearing black leather. If one thinks about Hickman's Avengers Machine as something that contains the potential iterations of all the Avengers necessary, exploring different aspects of the team's past and alternate versions only fits. We've had pastiches of the Kree/Skurll war, conflicts with the Squadron Sinister/Supreme, big cosmic slobber knockers like The Infinity Gauntlet, Civil War, and now some Ultimates thrown into the mix.
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Dec 24, 2014 23:26
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Man, I finally got around to finishing Secret Warriors (I dropped it after the Howling Commandos arc with the intent of catching up when the run was over for monetary reasons), and I think I get Cap's position a little more now in Avengers. All the stuff the Illuminati have been dealing with and concealing was like a poor man Fury's plan, but with a lot less thought and planning. Whereas Fury sacrificed the lives of those closest to him, they at least had the foreknowledge that they were going out for a greater good. The stakes the Illuminati were playing at were far greater, and the game's rules were constantly changing. The Great Wheel/Game of Worlds is like a multiversal Zodiac Wheel. (sidenote, have any of the secret warriors besides Daisy and Manifold been prominent since the end of the series?) hope and vaseline fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Dec 25, 2014 |
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Dec 24, 2014 23:31
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hope and vaseline posted:(sidenote, have any of the secret warriors besides Daisy and Manifold been prominent since the end of the series?) Druid's shown up a couple of times as Daisy and Maria's go-to "magic guy" at SHIELD.
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Dec 25, 2014 00:26
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Yvonmukluk posted:I keep trying to get into Hickman's Avengers, but I just find everyone involved too unlikeable. Why should I care about any of these people? They're just being petty assholes instead of addressing the real problem. Plus the whole 'Illuminati blew up a planet after murdering its superheroes who were looking for another way'. Still having trouble getting over that. I mean it's a well-told story, but I just can't muster up the energy to care. You should probably stop reading it, then. I stop reading comics I don't like, and it's greatly improved my quality of life. Just because everyone gushes about it doesn't mean you have to force yourself to get into it. Hickman will eventually leave the book when he's done blowing up everything and having Reed Richardses make out with each other, and then you can give Avengers another shot.
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Dec 25, 2014 04:17
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I find myself really disliking cap right now in Hickman's Avengers. His blind devotion to getting back at these guys that mind wiped him at all costs kind of makes him a dick, while that is perfectly in character for Batman it is not for Steve Rogers. I love everything else though, so I can forgive his characterization here, unlike in AvX.
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Dec 25, 2014 05:57
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I dunno, I still kind of think Cap is right. Especially since he's got Spidey on his side. Those two are usually pretty right on when it comes to being the moral center of the Marvel Universe.
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Dec 25, 2014 06:02
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Codependent Poster posted:I dunno, I still kind of think Cap is right. Especially since he's got Spidey on his side. Those two are usually pretty right on when it comes to being the moral center of the Marvel Universe. There's only one person right in this whole debacle and he's currently with Molecule Man.
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Dec 25, 2014 06:42
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:There's only one person right in this whole debacle and he's currently with Molecule Man. I'm a fan of Cyclops being both completely reasonable and completely terrifying at the same time.
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Dec 25, 2014 10:12
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Here's hoping all the McGuffins come into play. poo poo I'd enjoy a sequence like when they all tried to stop the Worthy Juggernaut. I wonder what they can do with Rockslide. "Sol's anvil. Nope. Runaway planet. Nope." *Molecule Man "Welp. That didn't work." *chucks Phoenix egg. "JEAN GREY I CHOOSE YOU!"
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Dec 25, 2014 11:11
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In a surprising twist, Adam X defeats Rabum Alal by igniting his blood.
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Dec 25, 2014 15:28
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Rabum Alal decides this incursion business is not something he can boogie to anymore and ends up going to a disco-tech.
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TNG posted:Rabum Alal decides this incursion business is not something he can boogie to anymore and ends up going to a disco-tech. Dazzler's coming back to the spotlight, y'all!
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Dec 25, 2014 17:57
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"I've heard of breaking eggs for omelets, but this is ridiculous!" then Spider-man covers Rabum Alal in webs and saves everyone.
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Dec 25, 2014 19:17
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:"I've heard of breaking eggs for omelets, but this is ridiculous!" then Spider-man covers Rabum Alal in webs and saves everyone. 
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Dec 25, 2014 19:44
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Holy poo poo, Steve. Holy poo poo, Reed. Every page from the Secret Avengers showing up all the way to the big reveal at the end was loving awesome
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Dec 26, 2014 21:37
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Is Black Bolt's presence a reveal to Rodgers, or is it just Namor? I thought Black Bolt was a known active member of the Illuminati, and I thought he was one of the ones Sue questioned Cho about.
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Dec 27, 2014 01:33
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SalTheBard posted:Every page from the Secret Avengers showing up all the way to the big reveal at the end was loving awesome I thought it was the Mighty Avengers not the Secret Avengers showing up. I'm not following the latter book, so I have no clue if there's linup crossover.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:18
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rkajdi posted:I thought it was the Mighty Avengers not the Secret Avengers showing up. I'm not following the latter book, so I have no clue if there's linup crossover. Reed says "But He did suffer losses, so He was forced to introduce a Fourth Party - - his Secret Avengers" I feel dumb for asking, what is BSS rules on spoilers? I checked the rule thread and didn't see anything definitive.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:52
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Neo_Reloaded posted:Is Black Bolt's presence a reveal to Rodgers, or is it just Namor? I thought Black Bolt was a known active member of the Illuminati, and I thought he was one of the ones Sue questioned Cho about. IIRC everyone thought Black Bolt died or at least disappeared in the battle over New York back in Infinity.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:57
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rkajdi posted:I thought it was the Mighty Avengers not the Secret Avengers showing up. I'm not following the latter book, so I have no clue if there's linup crossover. Reed refers the Mighty Avengers team as Steve's Secret Avengers. They're not the same as the black ops team in the Secret Avengers book (Fury, Widow, etc). He also refers to the Sunspot et al as the Avengers World team, even though they're New Avengers on the roster page.
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SalTheBard posted:Reed says "But He did suffer losses, so He was forced to introduce a Fourth Party - - his Secret Avengers" Spoilers for the thread's topic means no spoiler tags. It is assumed that by reading this thread you either have read the latest Avengers stuff that has come out. But if somehow the latest issue of Spider-Man came out in a conversation, you'd spoil that because even though he is an AVenger, it is happening in his solo book.
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Dec 27, 2014 04:39
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Unless Inhumanity revealed something, Black Bolt was "dead" to almost everyone.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Unless Inhumanity revealed something, Black Bolt was "dead" to almost everyone. I know most people thought he was dead, but I was sure that Rodgers/SHIELD knew the truth by the beginning of this 8-month time jump. I don't have the issues in front of me so I can't check, but didn't Sue Storm question Cho about the location of Black Bolt when she was going through the known roster of the Illuminati?
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Dec 27, 2014 21:55
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Is there a fully-filled-in version of the Avengers Machine out there? This is the most complete I found:
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Dec 31, 2014 18:32
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6 spots missing. I imagine under manifold you'll have Nightmask, Abyss and Ex Nihilo. So you have Starbrand and I can't think of anyone else missing. After Shang Chi you can have his clones?
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Dec 31, 2014 18:39
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POD and that Canadian lady. I thought they gave up on that verison. I don't 'get' it at all anyway. The whole "Avengers machine" concept was weird. The "let's make everyone an Avenger" was cool though.
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Dec 31, 2014 20:39
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Nevvy Z posted:POD and that Canadian lady. 
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Dec 31, 2014 20:48
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Think the next issue of Avengers is gonna have a throw down with Rabum Alal and the Ivory Kings? Or do we still have an issue where we see the Britain Corps get decimated trying to stop em? I still want the Spiders to replace the Britain Corps.
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Gatts posted:Think the next issue of Avengers is gonna have a throw down with Rabum Alal and the Ivory Kings? Or do we still have an issue where we see the Britain Corps get decimated trying to stop em? I find it hilarious Spider-UK is apparently going to survive Spider-Verse only to die in this. And since the entire multiverse is dying, how many Spiders are going to go home to their universes/earths exploding?
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Yvonmukluk posted:I find it hilarious Spider-UK is apparently going to survive Spider-Verse only to die in this. And since the entire multiverse is dying, how many Spiders are going to go home to their universes/earths exploding? "Welp, my dad died and this whole adventure put risk on my baby brother, but we're alive and mom's home waiting, it's good to be home, hey what's Doctor Strange doing with that funky helmet?"
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Nevvy Z posted:POD and that Canadian lady. But then they'd have to include Maria Hill, War Machine, Sue and the Zebra Kids. quote:I thought they gave up on that verison. I don't 'get' it at all anyway. The whole "Avengers machine" concept was weird. The "let's make everyone an Avenger" was cool though. Iirc the original idea was that different teams within the team were supposed to have their own chain of command / base of operation around the world, like the first Avengers World arc, but they scrapped that idea. As it is the Avengers Machine concept isn't really any different than the end of Bendis Avengers when they had like thirty people.
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Jan 2, 2015 13:54
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I've been catching up with Avengers and New Avengers, and... why is Captain America old and cranky now? I assume it's a blowback effect he suffered from his trippin' with the Time Gem.
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Jan 6, 2015 10:39
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He got the serum sucked out of him by a vaguely racist chinese nanomachine man
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Jan 6, 2015 10:54
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Well, we've all been there after a few too many pints.
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Jan 6, 2015 11:39
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It's funny thinking that Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Spider-Man, Wolverine and Falcon have all had major status quo changes while Hickman has been writing Avengers and it hasn't really impacted the story that he's trying to tell.
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That's the magic of not giving a poo poo.
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